Ionosphere Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,750 posts Joined: Dec, 2004
Posted - 2008/09/05 : 00:21:03
quote:Originally posted by Leto:
....and don't resort to the apathetic, "it doesn't matter" approach. Especially when it's not your country's election.
If it's not 'our country's election' we can resort to any kind of apathetic approach we bloody well like, thank you.
So again, it doesn't matter. However,
when, 'who ever it may be' gets elected, their strings will be increasingly pulled by the same old 'pullers of strings' and
they will inevitably succumb, to varying degrees, despite their best endeavors.
It also doesn't matter if I'm wrong but I can't help but find it sickening when so many put their faith in one human being as if it were the second coming of the Messiah.
Chris B Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,964 posts Joined: Dec, 2003
Posted - 2008/09/05 : 01:01:33
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
She's a creationist who thinks global warming is a hoax. Imagine if he got voted in and then had a heart attack? Back to the stone age for you!
This is one thing i find very worrying, the amount of powerful politicians and leaders in the world that have little respect for science and mass amount of studies and experiments.
When an iranian says hes doing things in the name of allah its all he's crazy, extremist etc. But George Bush will quite happily say god talks to him every day and tells him how to run gods country and do whatever he wants regarding the rest of the world. Hypocritical to say the least.
And yeah have to agree with Ionosphere also, one man can only do so much. We live in a capitalist world where money = power, politicians can only work around this keeping the main players happy. Without business and a strong economy they arent gonna stay in power for long.
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TypeR Advanced Member
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2,633 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
55 hardcore releases
Posted - 2008/09/05 : 01:04:31
um, the president is controlled by congress and the house of representatives. without them he doesn't have any power.
when the president decides to do or not to do something it's because they told him how it was going to be. he is just the hired head of state, not the entire deal. he's not the king.
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Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2008/09/05 : 08:23:15
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
the UK media is absolute shit. until recently, its been CONSTANT "Obama/Hilary" and even when that was over they were and are STILL brown nosing Obama.
i didnt used to think so, but since moving back to the UK, its extreamly clear how biased they really are.
im hardly surprised the british public has the views it does when they are constantly spoon fed the rubbish the media spit out here - and by god do most people just sit there and take everything on the box and in newspapers for face value.
how many people who watch the BBC or read the headlines in the newspapers will bother to go and read further about what *any* politcian has said/holds views, how many people will bother to read both sides of the story and go on both Anti-Republican sites AND anti-liberal sites....
...*makes obnoxious Sheep bleating sound*
*isnt in the best of moods*
it seems someone has actually woken up and opened their eyes. not sure how it was on topic but
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Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2008/09/05 : 08:24:56
quote:Originally posted by Leto:
quote:Originally posted by SixFeet:
Obama and McCain are the same puppets having their strings pulled by the same people, what does it matter.
That's sad that you believe that.
But anyway, please make actual points and don't resort to the apathetic, "it doesn't matter" approach. Especially when it's not your country's election.
California doesnt seem to think it matters. look at who they voted govenor
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Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,637 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2008/09/05 : 13:02:14
not trying to pick bones but
"She's a creationist who thinks global warming is a hoax."
she is a creationist...so what? shes quoted on saying
quote:"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both"; she further clarified that open debate between the two ideas should not be prohibited if it came up in discussion, but that creationism did not specifically need to be part of the curriculum"
i personally am an evolutionist - but im not going to crap on someone just because they have differnt views to me, thats just close minded.
i feel if they want to teach creationism in schools in the states - then they should - along side ALL the other views held about how it all started for us.
second of all shes hasnt said "global warming is a hoax"
shes quoted saying:
quote:"A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made."
what the UK papers and news are doing (again as usual) are taking quotes out of context and building a story on them.
its not fair to the british people
and FFS all the other countrys bashing on US politics
when its pretty much guaranteed that their country's politics/social hierarchy is just as corrupt in its own way.
Leto Advanced Member
United States
2,849 posts Joined: Jun, 2005
Posted - 2008/09/05 : 17:55:11
quote:Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:Originally posted by Leto:
....and don't resort to the apathetic, "it doesn't matter" approach. Especially when it's not your country's election.
If it's not 'our country's election' we can resort to any kind of apathetic approach we bloody well like, thank you.
Fair enough.
quote:
It also doesn't matter if I'm wrong but I can't help but find it sickening when so many put their faith in one human being as if it were the second coming of the Messiah.
I am not putting my faith in any one human being, believe me I'm a big skeptic, but you have to realize that in terms of policy, our executive is, despite checks and balances, respected as what he/she is...the executive. So, it's rather important who this human being is and what he/she stands for.
I cannot support the Republican agenda and I find myself agreeing with much of what Obama and the Democratic party stand for. So, they get my vote.
All in all, what is inspiring to me about the campaign Obama has run is its success. At the start, he was discounted by every one in the media because he came out of nowhere. And yet he beat Clinton, the democratic version of the political machine whose strings are indeed pulled. This is where we do see some real difference. This is why everyone is excited. Because his campaign has really broken many boundaries.
Audio X Advanced Member
United States
670 posts Joined: Feb, 2004
13 hardcore releases
Posted - 2008/09/05 : 20:33:51
As much as I like the idea of Obama, when it comes right down to it, the bigger picture looks the same on either side. His ideas may be golden, and his goals may be lofty, but the rest of the party is just as crooked and misguided as the Republicans.
Has anyone read about the protesting that took place at the DNC? For some reason or another, they decided to have an "interfaith summit" of some kind where they invited all of these religious leaders to come speak at the convention. Religious leaders whose ideals may or may not have been aligned with the party's viewpoints. Yet, they completely denied any nonreligious speakers the opportunity to speak-- speakers whose ideas are more than likely spot-on with the party line-- on the grounds that the Democratic party is and always has been a party based on faith.
MILLIONS of atheists, secularists, humanists, freethinkers, whatever you want to call them, wrote letters of protest, but to no avail. The day of the convention came, and no secular speakers were allowed. So there was a protest, staged BY PEOPLE FROM THEIR OWN PARTY. And do you know what happened? The police came with their tear gas and their bean bag guns and they beat the shit out of peaceful, nonviolent protesters. There was no rioting. There was no violence apart from that of the police. They just swooped in and kicked everyone's ass.
And we call ourselves a party of equality. ********. I am completely disillusioned with the political system in this country. The fact that our so-called progressive agenda was undermined from within by some unknown desire to bow to the religious right deeply disturbs me. It worked ONCE for the Republicans, and then it just infuriated the nation. What do the Democrats hope to gain from that? If anything, they've alienated a very large portion of their voter base, and I wouldn't be surprised if Obama actually lost because of this. Someone said earlier, and I'm not sure if it was here or not, that the Democrats have an almost supernatural ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and that seems to hold true if current trends continue as they are.
Leto Advanced Member
United States
2,849 posts Joined: Jun, 2005
Posted - 2008/09/05 : 22:55:00
^^Good point Joel. I wonder if that's the fault of the democrats or of broader society in general not accepting the Atheist perspective. I'm personally non-religious and I hadn't heard of those protests. Sad news as far as I'm concerned, although I'm not surprised.
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