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Brian K
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 Posted - 2008/09/06 : 01:39:58
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Originally posted by Audio X:
the Democrats have an almost supernatural ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and that seems to hold true if current trends continue as they are.
haha that's a great quote
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Jay-Owen
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Posted - 2008/09/06 : 21:55:54
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Originally posted by Knightmare:
amerca's polictics have always disgusted me, this time it's no different.
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and this coming from a guy who's country's politics are still a mess a year and a half after the ****ing elections are over and done with.
I can never be sure who the PM is. Verhovstad? Leterme?
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Posted - 2008/09/06 : 21:58:40
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
Also did anyone hear about someone wanting the UK's Gordon Brown to quit?
Not going to happen. See if Labour let Brown resign, we'd HAVE to have another general election. Labour isn't going to throw Brown out till election day.
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Posted - 2008/09/07 : 10:04:37
I'll be so embarrassed if we get Cameron as a leader...
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Posted - 2008/09/07 : 10:08:17
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
not trying to pick bones but
"She's a creationist who thinks global warming is a hoax."
she is a creationist...so what? shes quoted on saying
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"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both"; she further clarified that open debate between the two ideas should not be prohibited if it came up in discussion, but that creationism did not specifically need to be part of the curriculum"
i personally am an evolutionist - but im not going to crap on someone just because they have differnt views to me, thats just close minded.
i feel if they want to teach creationism in schools in the states - then they should - along side ALL the other views held about how it all started for us.
second of all shes hasnt said "global warming is a hoax"
shes quoted saying:
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"A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made."
what the UK papers and news are doing (again as usual) are taking quotes out of context and building a story on them.
its not fair to the british people
and FFS all the other countrys bashing on US politics
when its pretty much guaranteed that their country's politics/social hierarchy is just as corrupt in its own way.
Why do you assume I'm getting this from the UK media? Because I don't, not much anyway, maybe a look on BBC news 24, but they're the most non biased news source I know of. Everything else I read is from the internet. As for teaching creationism in schools, it's illegal, the US constitution doesn't allow for it.
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Posted - 2008/09/08 : 17:52:01
:) not saying you do just get it from the UK - i way meaning it as more of a blanket statement because of what i just watched during breakfast on news24.
i watched the report that he picked her as running mate (having myself never heard of her) and INSTANTLY took a dislike to her and everything she was for - just because of the what and how the BBC told me.
on the way home after work - i thought to myself - you know what, thats the first time ive listened to the news and not bothered to go and actually look at the source to find out for myself what was up with her - i felt like a tool.
UK news is biased - including News 24 from how they report it - what they report on right up to the way in which they word things. and its definiatly not just the UK media - its just now ive moved back in england they are getting the brunt of my hatred.
it wasnt until living in the states for a few years i started to notice how really twisted things were
everyone can see it though - really good things that happen will get very little coverage, and things that are only slightly bad will get blown out of proportion and then given as much coverage as they can....
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not saying US could or couldnt teach creationism as a theory - was just saying if they want to do it...fine, it should be taught alongside everything else. the separation of church and state shouldnt really cover teaching the theory of creationism in schools - JUST as it shouldnt cover wiping Religious studys off the schools curriculum - teaching it as a Science of course would be absurd imo.
either way its not often that the candidates can do much about some of the beliefs they hold personally once they get in the house as they have reposibliltys to the politicians and people of their country.
which in a way i guess points back to what some people have been saying about people pulling strings no matter what party is at the top - presidents will always have political advisors and anyone reporting back to the senate from their states will all have agendas of their own, right back to the people in each state who are writing to their represenatives.
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Posted - 2008/09/09 : 17:05:04
Both candidates may have strings pulled from similar places but both are different and both are better than Bush. Be thankful Pat Buchannan didn't get a revival. I have followed U.S. Politics since Jesse Jackson almost got nominated. America has a fascinating public make up and at least in the last two elections had good turnouts even if its not the way I would like it to have gone.
Example Extreme Make over...Democratic or Republican in ethic? The deserving unfortunate receive the dream. Either way its what America is best at. At its heart and people The U.S.A set up is excellent unfortunately its lack of ability to give up its ex-roots is one of it biggest problems.
To often its Irish American, Italian American, African American instead of AMERICAN!! The UK can be as bad and I speak as an English man with Welsh roots ( confused I think it is with a dash of guilt ).
The Belgium quote is interesting..why? cos even without a government nothing actually stopped for nearly six months!! The country continued on its way and the people got on with their lives.
Sadly being a Lib.Dem I believe two party strangle holds do nothing to help countries like the U.S. or the U.K. its always an extreme jump backwards and forwards.
Anyway Obama say Change...CHANGE WHAT!!! other than black which he won't mention or talk about.
McCain is an ex- Liberal who needs the right support or won't get in even with Hilary supporters I seriously hope the Green vote does not come into play this time as unlike the UK any third party victory in anyway is impossible in the States. In the main the world is safer in Democratic hands. In the main either will I believe safer than Bush.
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Posted - 2008/09/09 : 17:25:33
By the way she is Ann Wid with a comedian's name.
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Posted - 2008/09/09 : 20:36:43
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Originally posted by Stevie c:
Anyway Obama say Change...CHANGE WHAT!!! other than black which he won't mention or talk about.
Actually I think it's a good thing he doesn't rant on over black people and such. Would he have gotten where he did if he did?
And change can mean anything if you give it the thought. Change, like away from the republicans? Can you really say that McCain is going to be any different to Bush with Palin in his shadow? I think that's a fairly simplistic way of viewing it
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Posted - 2008/09/10 : 00:21:46
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Originally posted by Stevie c:
Anyway Obama say Change...CHANGE WHAT!!! other than black which he won't mention or talk about.
Do you really want a list? It may not be that radical to you all in Europe, but our political differences are differences despite not being extreme or radical ones.
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Posted - 2008/09/10 : 02:18:55
....it's a small point but nobody seems to have mentioned it.
Obama is not actually very black....
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and it leaves me wondering....?
If my country had always been governed by those of the African race, would I and my fellow white citizens see him as white?
imo, a true sense of proportion seems to be missing.
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Posted - 2008/09/10 : 03:02:28
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
....it's a small point but nobody seems to have mentioned it.
Obama is not actually very black....
*edit*
and it leaves me wondering....?
If my country had always been governed by those of the African race, would I and my fellow white citizens see him as white?
imo, a true sense of proportion seems to be missing.
In essence, it's less about the color of your skin and more about your cultural identity.
Despite the fact that he is light-skinned, he is still perceived and is himself a member of the African American identity. He grew up experiencing the same prejudice (roughly) that another African American or black American might experience. So, in that way, it's still a historical accomplishment.
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Posted - 2008/09/10 : 09:43:50
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He grew up experiencing the same prejudice (roughly) that another African American or black American might experience. So, in that way, it's still a historical accomplishment.
Absolutely. Although not stating it in such black and white terms that's exactly my point.
However, if the situation was the other way around, there are a great many whites that wouldn't see him as white, which has lead me to wonder,
how many African Americans don't see him as one of them? I'd be interested to know.
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Posted - 2008/09/10 : 14:07:54
'African American' lol, that always makes me laugh. Why not just say black? That's what people really mean. Being of African descent is a retarded distinction anyway, as if you go back far enough EVERYONE is of African descent...
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Posted - 2008/09/10 : 14:13:50
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Originally posted by jenks:
'African American' lol, that always makes me laugh. Why not just say black? That's what people really mean. Being of African descent is a retarded distinction anyway, as if you go back far enough EVERYONE is of African descent...
It has due to with black power and civil rights movement. The solidification of the black American identity.
Black and African American are interchangeable as far as I'm concerned if you are talking about Americans.
But anyway, to what Ionosphere said, there was some talk from the black community as to whether or not he was "black enough" to be considered black. They meant less about his actual color, and more about his background. He didn't exactly have the most stereotypical life. However, as an adult, he has certainly qualified himself as being a part of the black experience (whatever that is.) Plus his wife, Michelle, is about as culturally black as is possible in the US being from the South Side of Chicago...
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