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Ionosphere
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 Posted - 2008/09/10 : 22:47:27
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jenks
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Posted - 2008/09/11 : 12:58:40
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Originally posted by jenks:
'African American' lol, that always makes me laugh. Why not just say black? That's what people really mean. Being of African descent is a retarded distinction anyway, as if you go back far enough EVERYONE is of African descent...
It has due to with black power and civil rights movement. The solidification of the black American identity.
Black and African American are interchangeable as far as I'm concerned if you are talking about Americans.
But anyway, to what Ionosphere said, there was some talk from the black community as to whether or not he was "black enough" to be considered black. They meant less about his actual color, and more about his background. He didn't exactly have the most stereotypical life. However, as an adult, he has certainly qualified himself as being a part of the black experience (whatever that is.) Plus his wife, Michelle, is about as culturally black as is possible in the US being from the South Side of Chicago...
That's my point though, they shouldn't be, it's such a retarded name to use instead of black. If it's down to heritage then every American is African American, if it's about colour then what about Africans that aren't black? It's just more PC nonsense.
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Posted - 2008/09/12 : 22:51:34
It's not about being "PC."
It's about reforming a cultural identity after years of repression (slavery and post-slavery America.)
I know it seems a bit redundant, but the origins are valid and should be respected.
Negro was used in a demeaning way and black just the same...African American was a term invented to empower those who were previously referred to as black and determined inferior because of their race. It escapes race-based definition in principle. It's not "PC" nonsense.
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Posted - 2008/09/13 : 14:53:24
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Originally posted by Leto:
It's not about being "PC."
It's about reforming a cultural identity after years of repression (slavery and post-slavery America.)
I know it seems a bit redundant, but the origins are valid and should be respected.
Negro was used in a demeaning way and black just the same...African American was a term invented to empower those who were previously referred to as black and determined inferior because of their race. It escapes race-based definition in principle. It's not "PC" nonsense.
Which is retarded, because a 'race-based definition' is exactly what it is!
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Leto
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Posted - 2008/09/13 : 16:17:49
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by Leto:
It's not about being "PC."
It's about reforming a cultural identity after years of repression (slavery and post-slavery America.)
I know it seems a bit redundant, but the origins are valid and should be respected.
Negro was used in a demeaning way and black just the same...African American was a term invented to empower those who were previously referred to as black and determined inferior because of their race. It escapes race-based definition in principle. It's not "PC" nonsense.
Which is retarded, because a 'race-based definition' is exactly what it is!
I will continue to refrain from referring to the term as retarded...
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Posted - 2008/09/13 : 18:30:13
Not reading 4 pages on something I could careless about.
Was a shrewd pick by McCain to pick up womens votes that democrats probably lost from Hilary. Also the only policy I care about is her policy on having a sex sesh with me!
It's rather pathetic though to vote for someone based solely on their gender/race/religion etc.
Obama and McCain in their policies just seemed to have merged into one horrible pile of rectal prolapse. Just become the same candidate yet people still idealise one and demonise the other. Are you people retarded or what?
EDIT: As far as I have seen on boards people seem to know shit about Obama's gradual policy change and funding. His policies have gradually been changed over and over till they're 95% the same as McCain's and his funding is FAR from what it is claimed to be. Stop watching the news and read!
Same strings, different puppets!
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whispering
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Posted - 2008/09/14 : 07:56:46
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
Same strings, different puppets!
Yeah, theres nothing you can do. Go back to sleep.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2008/09/14 : 11:48:10
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
Same strings, different puppets!
Yeah, theres nothing you can do. Go back to sleep.
or you could wake up enough people (read: a lot) to force a change hmm?
it COULD happen.
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Posted - 2008/09/14 : 18:04:32
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or you could wake up enough people (read: a lot) to force a change hmm?
it COULD happen.
I was being sarcastic. As much as the two parties might resemble each other, theres still a big diffrence. Choosing the lesser evil or whatever is still the lesser evil. Anyone saying their both the same needs a damn reality check. Palin could very well become the VP, even president. If that happens its not just US economy at stake, she has said that she wouldnt even blink against Russia, Iran Pakistan or whoever, she has NO idea how the world works and in my opinion that is very scary.
Would you want that woman to be able to become the leader of the most powerful country in the world?
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As far as US elections go, with the current voting system, voting anyone else then democrat or republican gives your vote very little weight. Here, you vote whoever you want, if nobody gets over 50% of the votes, the 2 who got the most votes go for another round. That would make people able to vote someone they want to vote, not just against someone, as it now seems to be to many.
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Leto
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Posted - 2008/09/14 : 18:49:04
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
Same strings, different puppets!
http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=497
http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=492
I read those articles. Those are incredibly convoluted stretches trying to make a connection that frankly doesn't exist. There's a difference between real foreign policy and campaign jargon. Obama is the only candidate who has openly stated he would have diplomatic talks with people we consider as "enemies" and he was railed for that as being naive. There is no escaping the criticism whether it's from within the US or from the rest of the world.
Bear this in mind, while foreign policy may be the only thing of relevance to you, his economic policy is far different than McCain's and McCain has such unpopular policies and a history of poor decisions that now their campaign is trying to make it a election about personalities while the Obama campaign is pushing its own domestic policy reform.
I don't fall for the news, and I don't fall for articles like that (no offense.)
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SixFeet
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Posted - 2008/09/14 : 20:26:48
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Originally posted by Leto:
I read those articles. Those are incredibly convoluted stretches trying to make a connection that frankly doesn't exist. There's a difference between real foreign policy and campaign jargon. Obama is the only candidate who has openly stated he would have diplomatic talks with people we consider as "enemies" and he was railed for that as being naive. There is no escaping the criticism whether it's from within the US or from the rest of the world.
Bear this in mind, while foreign policy may be the only thing of relevance to you, his economic policy is far different than McCain's and McCain has such unpopular policies and a history of poor decisions that now their campaign is trying to make it a election about personalities while the Obama campaign is pushing its own domestic policy reform.
I don't fall for the news, and I don't fall for articles like that (no offense.)
Then you're very naive if you won't read up and take into consideration independant, unbiased news.
As for McCain's so unpopular policies, latest polls had him 4% ahead of Obama.
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Leto
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Posted - 2008/09/14 : 23:32:49
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As for McCain's so unpopular policies, latest polls had him 4% ahead of Obama.
You underestimate the faulty polling system. More Republicans were sampled in the latest polls than Democrats. Also, the 4% falls within the margin of error, so they are effectively tied.
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Posted - 2008/09/15 : 10:44:42
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Originally posted by Leto:
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
As for McCain's so unpopular policies, latest polls had him 4% ahead of Obama.
You underestimate the faulty polling system. More Republicans were sampled in the latest polls than Democrats. Also, the 4% falls within the margin of error, so they are effectively tied.
A 4% margin of error means he could be 8% ahead...
Your country isn't forward thinking enough to vote an ethnic into office.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2008/09/15 : 12:12:31
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
or you could wake up enough people (read: a lot) to force a change hmm?
it COULD happen.
I was being sarcastic.
so was i. nothing could ever change it
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Posted - 2008/09/15 : 12:14:16
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
or you could wake up enough people (read: a lot) to force a change hmm?
it COULD happen.
If that happens its not just US economy at stake, she has said that she wouldnt even blink against Russia, Iran Pakistan or whoever, she has NO idea how the world works and in my opinion that is very scary.
Would you want a woman to be able to become the leader of the most powerful country in the world?
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