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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2008/12/14 : 16:59:48
so what...everyones just avoiding my quote from dictionary.com? which can be used to make a counter arguement?
i see how it is. sucka's. ;)
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Wilky
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 17:03:21
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Well done Wilky you've found and can quote from the pages of Dictionary.com. But you have well and truly missed the mark as Influx has said.
oh dear - you lot that think its underground are clinging onto something thats long gone. lot of people in the hardcore scene, especially on these kinda forums that cant let go of the past and cling on to it for dear life
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Meathead
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 17:25:29
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Well done Wilky you've found and can quote from the pages of Dictionary.com. But you have well and truly missed the mark as Influx has said.
oh dear - you lot that think its underground are clinging onto something thats long gone. lot of people in the hardcore scene, especially on these kinda forums that cant let go of the past and cling on to it for dear life
Whos clinging on to the past? Hardcore in general is not an never was commercial. Tbh i couldn't car less about what it was in the past though, now parts of it are commercial but not all. The way in which we are saying it's commercial it wasnt that way in the past is all. It's changed ok why can't you understand that? Quote dictionary definitions all you want, hardcore wasn't commercial in the same way it was in the past and Clubland live tour is not a rave in any way shape or form mate.
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Rayovac
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 17:32:43
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Audio X
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 17:34:45
Andy: Smart-E's. SL2. The Prodigy. Altern-8.
There was-- and there certainly still is-- money to be made from hardcore. Otherwise Nukleuz, AATW, and everyone else wouldn't be snatching it up like candy. It started off massively popular, and then it died down. And now it's popular again. And I'd wager AATW or Raverbaby have pretty nice advances.
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Underloop
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 17:35:42
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At the end of the day does it matter?
I listen to what I like - I don't give a damn about what it does to my credibility. Hell, I get grief for listening to "chav" music amongst my peers whether it be Darren Styles, Producer or CLSM. And yes, I have had Stylesy's album on (both CDs) in the car alot recently as it is proper feel good music.
Not in the slightest its just a discussion... I'm not getting fired up about it.
Sorry, wasn't meant in that way - just pointing out that to a degree it doesn't really matter what the actual definition of what is being done either now or in the past. To the music itself it doesn't matter one jot.
I was hoping that someone was going to come back with a counter that how the music is marketed matters as it shapes the rave scene itself.
My first post I guess I didn't fully appreciate the definition provided. By the dictionary definition of commercial however, all music is commercial. Even if it is given away for free. The free tracks are often only there to promote something - be it a label in order to entice people to buy other tracks or as a sole artist in order to make a name for him/herself so that they can get bigger and better gigs / releases and make some money from their hobby.
Human nature itself is going to dictate that pretty much anything that is done is going to be commercial in some regard.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 17:48:10
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Originally posted by Audio X:
Andy: Smart-E's. SL2. The Prodigy. Altern-8.
There was-- and there certainly still is-- money to be made from hardcore. Otherwise Nukleuz, AATW, and everyone else wouldn't be snatching it up like candy. It started off massively popular, and then it died down. And now it's popular again. And I'd wager AATW or Raverbaby have pretty nice advances.
Of course they would... but thats at the FAR end of the spectrum and only covers an EXTREMELY small percentage of teh scene.
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Trimms
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 17:51:16
You guys are seriously arguing about a dictionary definition.
I'm so sad that this is what is being discussed on a forum that's supposed to be in love with a certain genre of music. What are you disputing? Whether music is commercial or not? Believe it or not, there's other music out there that isn't called hardcore, and it has both its commercial and underground aspects. All music does. So if you don't like one, get over it. Seriously, every other topic is either a commercial hardcore hate thread, or an underground hardcore love thread. It's so mundane and boring that it's starting to reflect the music and its listeners. Stop ruining the music people love and go cream your pants to tinny pianocore from '92 if it's such a big deal.
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Audio X
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 17:57:46
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Originally posted by Audio X:
Andy: Smart-E's. SL2. The Prodigy. Altern-8.
There was-- and there certainly still is-- money to be made from hardcore. Otherwise Nukleuz, AATW, and everyone else wouldn't be snatching it up like candy. It started off massively popular, and then it died down. And now it's popular again. And I'd wager AATW or Raverbaby have pretty nice advances.
Of course they would... but thats at the FAR end of the spectrum and only covers an EXTREMELY small percentage of teh scene.
Well then you could say the same thing about any genre of music, including pop. Only the elite few make loads of money from anything.
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Posted - 2008/12/15 : 00:08:49
hapâ‹…py
   /ˈhæpi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hap-ee] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective, -pi⋅er, -pi⋅est.
1. delighted, pleased, or glad, as over a particular thing: to be happy to see a person.
2. characterized by or indicative of pleasure, contentment, or joy: a happy mood; a happy frame of mind.
3. favored by fortune; fortunate or lucky: a happy, fruitful land.
4. apt or felicitous, as actions, utterances, or ideas.
5. obsessed by or quick to use the item indicated (usually used in combination): a trigger-happy gangster. Everybody is gadget-happy these days.
Hardcore
1. unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated: a hard-core segregationist.
2. pruriently explicit; graphically depicted: hard-core pornography.
3. being so without apparent change or remedy; chronic: hard-core inflation; hard-core unemployment.
put one and one together and that is the most important thing. Can it be commercial? yes. Can it be underground? yes. That's is skill. Happy Hardcore can do both.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/12/15 : 01:29:08
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Audio X:
Andy: Smart-E's. SL2. The Prodigy. Altern-8.
There was-- and there certainly still is-- money to be made from hardcore. Otherwise Nukleuz, AATW, and everyone else wouldn't be snatching it up like candy. It started off massively popular, and then it died down. And now it's popular again. And I'd wager AATW or Raverbaby have pretty nice advances.
Of course they would... but thats at the FAR end of the spectrum and only covers an EXTREMELY small percentage of teh scene.
Well then you could say the same thing about any genre of music, including pop. Only the elite few make loads of money from anything.
Except more of the population in general buy pop. A single released in pop, that was considered to do a massive dive, would still earn a considerable amount more than your average hardcore release. Probably more than a Raverbaby release.
Bonkers - considered a very successful album sells like what 300,000 units or something? Yeah well very successful pop sells millions... they're not even in the same category.
The point is the scales are larger. The minimums earned in pop music are larger than in hardcore.
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Posted - 2008/12/15 : 02:19:35
wow this is going round in circles....
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mitchy_boy
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Posted - 2008/12/15 : 06:44:06
who cares if hardcore is commercial, if it sounds good listen to it, if not then don't, pretty simple
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Posted - 2008/12/15 : 07:11:22
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