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Dain-Ja
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 Posted - 2009/09/14 : 17:34:45
MDMA in itself isn't that harmful (in standard doses)
However, 95% of pills don't/barely contain MDMA. They're a cocktail of methamphetamine and other dirty drugs.
I raved for years without ever doing any drugs and had a great time. It's far from necessary. I prefer being sober or having a few drinks at raves because I can full enjoy the music. The only way I do anything is if it's 100% pure and its been tested with a testing kit.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/09/15 : 14:27:00
an mdma testing kit will only tell you if it contains some mdma, not whether or not its pure wont it?
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simdog
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Posted - 2009/09/15 : 15:02:04
they can be tricked with other chemicals as well. i've had strong reactions for mdma with the tester kit before and the pill did nothing
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/09/15 : 15:26:06
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Originally posted by CiALiN:
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by simdog:
i challenge you to find one person who has had ecstasy (mdma not some dodgy adulterated pill) and found it to be a negative experience.
Err, ask the people who have died from it.
I'm not against E (mdma) although have never taken it myself, but I think it is VERY naive and ignorant of you to think that mdma is completely harmless. Yes it's perfectly safe for some, but for some it can cause overheating, psychological disorders, stroke and even death. And this is from mdma, and NOT dodgy pills.
I say each to their own, but at least be aware of the FACTS, NOT what you just believe. If you want to take the risk, then that's your choice, and there's nothing wrong with that, but be aware there IS a risk. I would like to point out that severe repercussions are very rare, but psychological ones are FAIRLY common. These are FACTS.
However, I think a lot of people are missing the point of the topic. I don't think the author once said they were against drugs at a rave full stop* (*period for you guys from the US). They just were having a rant at those that go to Raves for no other reason than to take drugs, and not because of the music. My reply earlier is referring to these people.
e and mdma arent the same thing...mdma is just the main ingredient in some e tabs..mightnt even be present in some...e tabs are a load of chemicals bunged into a tablet with a miniscule amount of mdma to save money..pure mdma is a different story...ive never heard of anybody who died from mdma
Didn't mean to imply that E and mdma are the same thing, just put the mdma in brackets so those from overseas know what I'm referring to. Not everyone calls it E ya see, at leat if they knew I was talking about a pill with mdma we'd all be on the same page.
I'll try to found out the medical article on mdma, but must admit it was some time since I read it. But it did say that pure mdma can indeed be fatal. Think there were cases of people dying of HYPERthermia (that's too much heat), and some from drowning from too much fluid inake due to the hyperthermia.
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/09/15 : 15:28:44
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Originally posted by Wilky:
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by simdog:
i challenge you to find one person who has had ecstasy (mdma not some dodgy adulterated pill) and found it to be a negative experience.
Err, ask the people who have died from it.
I'm not against E (mdma) although have never taken it myself, but I think it is VERY naive and ignorant of you to think that mdma is completely harmless. Yes it's perfectly safe for some, but for some it can cause overheating, psychological disorders, stroke and even death. And this is from mdma, and NOT dodgy pills.
I say each to their own, but at least be aware of the FACTS, NOT what you just believe. If you want to take the risk, then that's your choice, and there's nothing wrong with that, but be aware there IS a risk. I would like to point out that severe repercussions are very rare, but psychological ones are FAIRLY common. These are FACTS.
However, I think a lot of people are missing the point of the topic. I don't think the author once said they were against drugs at a rave full stop* (*period for you guys from the US). They just were having a rant at those that go to Raves for no other reason than to take drugs, and not because of the music. My reply earlier is referring to these people.
how exactly are you goin to ask the dead?
Think you missed the point here :-/
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2009/09/16 : 16:12:25
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Originally posted by simdog:
they can be tricked with other chemicals as well. i've had strong reactions for mdma with the tester kit before and the pill did nothing
If you use the full testing kit with all three tests you're safe. The newer marquis and mecke tests are really safe.
What tests did you use? If you're only using one or two you're taking chances. It also doesn't tell you how much is in it.
The other thing is that there's no way to test between mdea and mdma but you can feel the diff right away so that's not a big deal.
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/09/16 : 19:59:30
I just find it so funny you need to test something before you take it.
You have to not do it once, not twice, but three times. Just to make sure it isn't mixed with some other crap that "shouldn't" be in it.
I mean, seriously?
Maybe I just see it differently because I've never done, and never will do, any of those things. Ever. And I just find it HILARIOUS you have to go through so many hoops just to take something. I mean.. come on...
Bleh, don't want to go onto how I think drugs should be center controlled and distributed; I'll go on forever.
But, still, find it funny.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2009/09/16 : 20:45:17
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I just find it so funny you need to test something before you take it.
You have to not do it once, not twice, but three times. Just to make sure it isn't mixed with some other crap that "shouldn't" be in it.
I mean, seriously?
Maybe I just see it differently because I've never done, and never will do, any of those things. Ever. And I just find it HILARIOUS you have to go through so many hoops just to take something. I mean.. come on...
Bleh, don't want to go onto how I think drugs should be center controlled and distributed; I'll go on forever.
But, still, find it funny.
blame the meth labs and the people with no conscience that want people addicted and don't care if people hurt themselves
I think drugs are unnecessary but I think that if people are going to do them, they should do it safely. Canadian laws prohibit me from having "testing stations" at raves. That's something I'd love to have. Give people the (free) option of knowing what they're actually taking. This would also make dealers less willing to sell complete crap.
As it stands, 99,9% of people at raves have no idea what they're ingesting. People are careful about what water they drink to the point that they only drink bottled water but they don't give a crap what chemicals they willingly put in their bodies. Ridiculous.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2009/09/16 : 20:47:43
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Originally posted by Lilley:
an mdma testing kit will only tell you if it contains some mdma, not whether or not its pure wont it?
Oh and to clarify this point... No.
It will tell you what adulterants are in the pill as well. Methamphetamine, amphetamine, MDA, 2c**, DXM, etc.
At HTID in the Sun I tested 7 different pills for people. NONE had MDMA.
3 had nothing recognizable (probably BZP or something like that), 3 had methamphetamine and 1 had MDEA.
Few people actually do "E" at raves since it's so hard to come by.
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/09/16 : 20:54:03
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
I just find it so funny you need to test something before you take it.
You have to not do it once, not twice, but three times. Just to make sure it isn't mixed with some other crap that "shouldn't" be in it.
I mean, seriously?
Maybe I just see it differently because I've never done, and never will do, any of those things. Ever. And I just find it HILARIOUS you have to go through so many hoops just to take something. I mean.. come on...
Bleh, don't want to go onto how I think drugs should be center controlled and distributed; I'll go on forever.
But, still, find it funny.
blame the meth labs and the people with no conscience that want people addicted and don't care if people hurt themselves
I think drugs are unnecessary but I think that if people are going to do them, they should do it safely. Canadian laws prohibit me from having "testing stations" at raves. That's something I'd love to have. Give people the (free) option of knowing what they're actually taking. This would also make dealers less willing to sell complete crap.
As it stands, 99,9% of people at raves have no idea what they're ingesting. People are careful about what water they drink to the point that they only drink bottled water but they don't give a crap what chemicals they willingly put in their bodies. Ridiculous.
Yep, our society is s-m-r-t.
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simdog
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Posted - 2009/09/17 : 00:25:39
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Maybe I just see it differently because I've never done, and never will do, any of those things. Ever. And I just find it HILARIOUS you have to go through so many hoops just to take something. I mean.. come on...
i used to think like that. but after about a year and a half of raving i thought **** it, why not and tried one and i have no regrets. mdma is an amazing drug and i would hate to die without experiencing it.
i fail to see how it is "HILARIOUS" that people want to make sure something is safe before they ingest it. it can be a life changing experience and it's definitely worth the effort.
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hypnotik200
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 Posted - 2009/09/17 : 00:45:23
i agree with simdog dnt knock it till u try it. pure mdma which is molly is amazing
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CiALiN
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Posted - 2009/09/17 : 00:49:07
i think the first time you do mdma or e its the best night of your life...easily..its something that just has to be exeperienced to realise that its ****in epic..
over the next week or so im gonna pop up to the headshop up the street and get 2 legal pills....would like to see what they are like...
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/09/17 : 01:00:20
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Originally posted by CiALiN:
i think the first time you do mdma or e its the best night of your life...easily..its something that just has to be exeperienced to realise that its ****in epic..
over the next week or so im gonna pop up to the headshop up the street and get 2 legal pills....would like to see what they are like...
apparently legal stuff is worse because not been tested and therefore unclassified...
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/09/17 : 01:07:59
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Originally posted by CiALiN:
i think the first time you do mdma or e its the best night of your life...easily..its something that just has to be exeperienced to realise that its ****in epic...
I completely agree, you have to have been there, and it's always very epic! Of course, looking back on it, everybody realises it's not very smart, but I'm not one to fuss about it too much either.
If you really love Hardcore (or any other type of Rave music), you obviously don't need drugs to get down to it, and I would NEVER recommend taking drugs at every party to anybody, but dancing to Hardcore high on E is just orgasmic... The upliftingness and euphoria are at their peak, and the Happy part of Hardcore takes a whole new sense.
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