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TheOneNOnly
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 Posted - 2009/09/22 : 20:49:58
Wow..
Straight up bullsh*t!
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/09/23 : 09:53:22
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Originally posted by CDJay:
Simple, I worked my ass off on JAL for over a year and they completely screwed me over. Signed loads of tracks slyly that I had paid for, promoted and verbally secured with all parties. Released and claim ownership of entire works that I owned/own the vocals for. Cancelled WOW10 after it was actually done ( 2 CDs, mastered, the works ) and I'd paid for a Ravin Eye ad. ( the artwork was later salvaged for HU1 ).
I'll give an example:
Pulse Attack. This was a half finished Darwin tune, that I thought had a really nice structure and central riff. I paid Cube::Hard an advance/engineering fee to complete it as a collaboration. It was offered to Stompin Choonz, which was run by Kevin Energy at the time, but he didn't want it. JAL said it was too dark for them. So I absorbed the cost and scheduled it for RFU at a later date. It eventually went on a Hardcore Heaven album, and the entire advance was given to Darwin. I then commisioned a Stormtrooper remix, just before the full extent of the JAL horror-to-be became clear. At this point I am £425 down on this SINGLE track.
Uh oh; JAL had got Darwin to extend his publishing agreement, somewhere therein is a clause claiming RECORDING rights to *all* past and present works. Being new to the industry he'd signed it without very very carefully reading everything and comprehending the ramifications. In a stroke, JAL claim ownership of every track that I have paid advances on, got remixes done for, paid vocal advances or session fees for. I am totally and utterly bent over and violated by the very people I had done so much for.
Result? I don't own the track that I paid for, or the remix of it that I paid for. Hell, I think JAL even pushed for an advance on HU1 for it. The track *I'd* already paid for and they had snatched. Seriously.
So, that's one track. Have a think about how many other ones from that period became entangled.
CDJay
Do you know, I hate the way the world is today, people screwing over other people all the time, taking whatever they can get. What happened to good old honesty and trust?
Isn't it ironic that the music allegedly stands for Peace, Love and Unity, yet a lot of the people running the scenes are money grabbing selfish arseholes that don't give a shit who they screw over. It makes me so mad.
This is one of the main reasons I didn't persue my DJing career further. I couldn't deal with the politics, and I didn't want to bend over and take it up the arse. I much happier having it as a hobby and becoming the best DJ I can for myself, no-one else. And I'm very happy with my standard. I think if I would have persued it as a carreer I would have fallen out with the music I love, which would have just been the worst thing ever :-(
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catjam
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Posted - 2009/09/24 : 00:44:25
well il take the past Hardcore sounds over the new anyday
i know some people have said that its because oldskool hardcore fans dont like change
but thats a load of BS
iv listened/bought/mixed Hardcore or "Rave" since the first tape i herd in 1989 till 98/99
and during that time Hardcore changed many times..but there was always loads of
trax i luvd through the changes
so to me its nothing to do with not liking "change"
its just simply not liking the changes after 1999 till now
yes there are some Hardcore i like today...but not enuff to say im a fan of todays Hardcore
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/09/24 : 01:22:35
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Originally posted by catjam:
well il take the past Hardcore sounds over the new anyday
i know some people have said that its because oldskool hardcore fans dont like change
but thats a load of BS
iv listened/bought/mixed Hardcore or "Rave" since the first tape i herd in 1989 till 98/99
and during that time Hardcore changed many times..but there was always loads of
trax i luvd through the changes
so to me its nothing to do with not liking "change"
its just simply not liking the changes after 1999 till now
yes there are some Hardcore i like today...but not enuff to say im a fan of todays Hardcore
And you know what, that's fine! There's nothing wrong with you, you really don't need to justify anything. We can't all be fans of today's Hardcore. Just don't start to trash it and make everybody's forum experience a pain because of your attitude like 95_was_the_time. We are obviously on a Hardcore enthusiasts discussion board, and today's Hardcore is what the majority of us are into, even if it's the Underground or the Mainstream end of the spectrum, or even both (like me).
I think it's stupid to say that fans of oldschool Hardcore aren't into change... old Hardcore and modern Hardcore are different in many ways, and you are entitled to like one more than the other, or like one and completely dislike the other. That doesn't mean you don't like change... You could like country and polka on the side for all we know, how is that for a change? You don't need to like ALL styles of Hardcore to officially embrace change as a person...
Let's just respect the music, especially here of all places :)
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catjam
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Posted - 2009/09/24 : 01:42:27
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Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:
Originally posted by catjam:
well il take the past Hardcore sounds over the new anyday
i know some people have said that its because oldskool hardcore fans dont like change
but thats a load of BS
iv listened/bought/mixed Hardcore or "Rave" since the first tape i herd in 1989 till 98/99
and during that time Hardcore changed many times..but there was always loads of
trax i luvd through the changes
so to me its nothing to do with not liking "change"
its just simply not liking the changes after 1999 till now
yes there are some Hardcore i like today...but not enuff to say im a fan of todays Hardcore
And you know what, that's fine! There's nothing wrong with you, you really don't need to justify anything. We can't all be fans of today's Hardcore. Just don't start to trash it and make everybody's forum experience a pain because of your attitude like 95_was_the_time. We are obviously on a Hardcore enthusiasts discussion board, and today's Hardcore is what the majority of us are into, even if it's the Underground or the Mainstream end of the spectrum, or even both.
I think it's stupid to say that fans of oldschool Hardcore aren't into change... old Hardcore and modern Hardcore are different in many ways, and you are entitled to like one more than the other, or like one and completely dislike the other. That doesn't mean you don't like change... You could like country and polka on the side for all we know, how is that for a change? You don't need to like ALL styles of Hardcore to officially embrace change as a person...
Let's just respect the music, especially here of all places :)
i agree, but some people where using that as a reason to why some dont like todays hardcore
when infact there where more changes in Hardcore from 89 till 99
than there is from 2000 till today imo
And tbh i cant really trash todays hardcore as imo im not the targeted audiance (age group)
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Edited by - catjam on 2009/09/24 01:46:26 |
MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/09/24 : 01:50:05
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Originally posted by catjam:
And tbh i cant really trash todays hardcore as imo im not the targeted audiance (age group)
I don't know you, but you don't seem like a newcomer to the music genre so you're probably not even in the targeted age group for old hardcore either, since Hardcore has never really been targeted to a mature audience anyways. Were not talking adult pop here!
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catjam
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Posted - 2009/09/24 : 02:14:26
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Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:
Originally posted by catjam:
And tbh i cant really trash todays hardcore as imo im not the targeted audiance (age group)
I don't know you, but you don't seem like a newcomer to the music genre so you're probably not even in the targeted age group for old hardcore either, since Hardcore has never really been targeted to a mature audience anyways. Were not talking adult pop here!
This is just imo..but Raves and Hardcore years back where just made/played/enjoyed
and attended by people mostly in there late teens 20`s 30`s and even some in there 40`s
and not targeted for any age
But i think alot of todays Hardcore is purposly targeted/made for a younger audience
i could be wrong but i dont imagine many in there 30`s going to a lot of events
let alone anyone in there 40`s
As i said though this is just imo
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2009/09/24 : 02:18:10
it's a well known fact that the hardcore today is targeted at litte boys and girls. makes me wonder why you lot are into it to be honest. but i won't bang on about how old is better, i think i've done that enough on here.
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/09/24 : 02:25:10
I don't think peoples in their 30s or 40s were ever the norm, let alone the majority at events. There's always the odd older person at a party, and it's still the case today. Especially in the the rave scene, where a lot of people go to events because they are not old enough to go to bars where alcool is served yet.
Also, I've recently been to succesful 18+ Hardcore parties with alcool and ID check, and I know there must be loads of those everywhere else than here as well.
And I don't consider people in their late teens an especially mature audience either! Not that there is a problem with that, I still feel 19 in my head and I'm 22, but really Hardcore (old or new) doesn't strike me as a really sophisticated or mature genre of music, and I love it that way :)
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catjam
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Posted - 2009/09/24 : 02:43:46
Well i dont know about other countries but when i went to my 1st rave here (scotland)
in 91 i think lol...getin old
The majority of people where in there 20`s and early 30`s
infact you weren`t allowed in if you where under 18
i was 17 at the time and was probably one of the very few teens there
it pretty much stayed mostly 20`s and early 30`s till about 94/95
then i noticed there where starting to be more teens attending the events
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/09/24 : 02:59:55
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Originally posted by catjam:
Well i dont know about other countries but when i went to my 1st rave here (scotland)
in 91 i think lol...getin old
The majority of people where in there 20`s and early 30`s
infact you weren`t allowed in if you where under 18
i was 17 at the time and was probably one of the very few teens there
it pretty much stayed mostly 20`s and early 30`s till about 94/95
then i noticed there where starting to be more teens attending the events
There is also a huge personnal factor to this phenomenon. You can certainly imagine that as you get older, you do tend to find people around you are getting younger. Everybody that went to parties for years has the moment where they look around and suddenly realise: **** I got old/everybody got younger suddenly. Happened to me, happened to my friends, happens to everybody as well.
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/09/24 : 10:03:07
Just thought I'd put my two penneth worth in on the whole age thing, as it appears that the UK scene is different to that in the US and Canada.
In the UK you have never been allowed into Raves until you were 18 (but we've all done the fake id thing I'm sure). Back in the early 90's through to the mid 90's the age range was across the board, from teenagers to 40's, although you did get the odd 60+ ers. As the scence evolved the AVERAGE age got younger and younger. Now I have a couple of theories on this.
One, the music got harder and and faster so less appealing to the older folk. I for one know I couldn't dance for 12 hours to todays music, I just don't have the energy anymore ;-) Back in the day, especially when it was breakbeat, the music was slower and because of the drum loops and rolls etc the dancing was so much more imaginative and varied. Nowadays it's hard to do anything but bounce around waving your hands about, and my god does it tire you out ;-)
Secondly, the music isn't as interesting and diverse and so less appealing to the older mind. I find that as I've got older you need more to satisfy the mind, a lot of the time "thump thump thump" just doesn't capture my imagination or enthusiasm as much. Once upon a time I didn't really care how good a track was quality wise, or how much depth there was to a track, as long as there was the overall sound I liked I was more than happy to spend 12 hours dancing away to it. Now I appreciate music on a totally different level to what I used to.
This could just be me, turning into a grumpy old man, I dunno, but I honestly don't think so. The reason I say this is that I still like some of the stuff released today and when I hear a good track it still gives me the same buzz it used to. I just think overall it's not as appealing becasue there are a lot of tracks with no imagination. It's hard to get into a set these days when there's only a handful of interesting tracks in there.
To sumarise, I think that as the music isn't as interesting, it appeals less to the older mind and so the music is more focussed at the younger group. However, there are still people like me that still like hardcore of today, only the amount of quality interesting tracks is a lot less.
Oh, and by the way, I'm not that old, I'm only 32 and a bit ;-)
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