Wilky Banned
United Kingdom
6,198 posts Joined: Mar, 2008
Posted - 2010/04/15 : 08:49:02
quote:Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
quote:Originally posted by whispering:
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
You've majorly contradicted yourself hence why your reply doesnt hold any arguement..
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my mind will never be changed.. Ive had dogs all my life.. Its not the dog but the owner
You do know the purpose of selective breeding? Cause now you're saying it doesn't exist. Also i never undermined the importance of training.
Why blame the bread? Its the owners at fault... Always
That's not correct at all. People HAVE been known to breed dogs for a certain pupose, a lot of failures of dog breeds can be led back to poor breeding.
If you have a dog that's bred poorly and is naturally aggessive (as some beeds are KNOWN to be) then it's going to take poper taining to get rid of those poor traits... not just household training and love. It just doesn't work like that.
re read the 1st bit u put about people breading for a certain purpose... Its people.. Humans that are at fault.. Like we are so many things.. You can not blame the dog. I agree some do fall through the net but this some is very very small...
Wilky Banned
United Kingdom
6,198 posts Joined: Mar, 2008
Posted - 2010/04/15 : 10:34:38
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
Its the owners fault when they cant understand the misjudgement of bringing a dog bred for savagery into a family home
fair play but as u dont know me.... If was training hi up to be saveage... Givin him steds and bangin hbim on a tredmill then you would have a point. Your post is full of shit tho dude
kathryn Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,520 posts Joined: Apr, 2005
Posted - 2010/04/15 : 10:43:40
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
Its the owners fault when they cant understand the misjudgement of bringing a dog bred for savagery into a family home
oh and pit bull and staffs are the same breed.
Do you muzzle it in public Wilky?
Wilky Banned
United Kingdom
6,198 posts Joined: Mar, 2008
Posted - 2010/04/15 : 11:03:50
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
Its the owners fault when they cant understand the misjudgement of bringing a dog bred for savagery into a family home
oh and pit bull and staffs are the same breed.
Do you muzzle it in public Wilky?
no no no pitts and staffs arnt the same bread at all.. The come from the same bull family if u will... Pitts.. Staffs.. American bulldog.. French masstiff... Bull mastiff.. Are all a bull bread... Staffs arnt the same... Dont even says irish staffs are pitts or american staffs as they arnt the smae at all..
Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2010/04/15 : 13:50:21
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
This is the mephedrone thread all over again, LOL.
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wrong
you astound me kathryn. You are the perfect media target, you seem to swallow any shit spoon fed to you without questioning what animal it came from. Please, next time you open a newspaper or turn on the tv, use discernment to decide as to whether its a steaming turd. Or don't give the thing the time of day in the first place.
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nearly in line....
.....strange continuity problems
TheOneNOnly Advanced Member
United States
1,937 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2010/04/15 : 19:49:46
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
This is the mephedrone thread all over again, LOL.
wrong
How, exactly? You like to denounce something without giving any kind of explanation, or any supporting conclusions at all.
He was talking about how the topic reared off it's original intention with people denying things left and right, arguing and debating over things mentioned. How is this NOT like it? Please, explain.
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Also I agree with Lilley.
You should always take 'news' with a pinch of salt. Until the time were actual facts be printed out, and not edited and written by human beings News will always have some kind of bias in it, imo. They can tell you one part and not the whole, calling it the entire story you need to know about what has happened. News, to me, like to persuade one way or another. That's why some News channels are considered bias, I'm going off American experience, during Presidential elections.
The WORST of it all isn't the only side to a story, it never is it never will be. Yes, breeds have been trained to kill, but a owners ability to train a dog also makes up for majority of the problems. Yes, if a dog is isolated, treated bad, in bad living conditions, not exposed to humans, feels it's in danger (etc.) then yes, a dog like that would be more likely then not to attack someone. But, whose fault is that?
Alert moderatorEdited by - TheOneNOnly on 2010/04/15 19:52:35
Wilky Banned
United Kingdom
6,198 posts Joined: Mar, 2008
Posted - 2010/04/15 : 20:49:39
quote:Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
This is the mephedrone thread all over again, LOL.
wrong
How, exactly? You like to denounce something without giving any kind of explanation, or any supporting conclusions at all.
He was talking about how the topic reared off it's original intention with people denying things left and right, arguing and debating over things mentioned. How is this NOT like it? Please, explain.
~
Also I agree with Lilley.
You should always take 'news' with a pinch of salt. Until the time were actual facts be printed out, and not edited and written by human beings News will always have some kind of bias in it, imo. They can tell you one part and not the whole, calling it the entire story you need to know about what has happened. News, to me, like to persuade one way or another. That's why some News channels are considered bias, I'm going off American experience, during Presidential elections.
The WORST of it all isn't the only side to a story, it never is it never will be. Yes, breeds have been trained to kill, but a owners ability to train a dog also makes up for majority of the problems. Yes, if a dog is isolated, treated bad, in bad living conditions, not exposed to humans, feels it's in danger (etc.) then yes, a dog like that would be more likely then not to attack someone. But, whose fault is that?
kathryn Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,520 posts Joined: Apr, 2005
Posted - 2010/04/15 : 22:00:13
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
This is the mephedrone thread all over again, LOL.
wrong
wrong
you astound me kathryn. You are the perfect media target, you seem to swallow any shit spoon fed to you without questioning what animal it came from. Please, next time you open a newspaper or turn on the tv, use discernment to decide as to whether its a steaming turd. Or don't give the thing the time of day in the first place.
sorry used to work in the dog kennels cleaning out the kennels of dangerous dogs/ court orders and 80% were staffs pitbulls
TheOneNOnly Advanced Member
United States
1,937 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2010/04/15 : 22:44:34
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
This is the mephedrone thread all over again, LOL.
wrong
wrong
you astound me kathryn. You are the perfect media target, you seem to swallow any shit spoon fed to you without questioning what animal it came from. Please, next time you open a newspaper or turn on the tv, use discernment to decide as to whether its a steaming turd. Or don't give the thing the time of day in the first place.
sorry used to work in the dog kennels cleaning out the kennels of dangerous dogs/ court orders and 80% were staffs pitbulls
nice try though
Because all those dogs were raised with caring owners who took the time to try to train them, and teach them what was right and wrong, and to scorn and praise. Right?
Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2010/04/16 : 00:58:22
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
sorry used to work in the dog kennels cleaning out the kennels of dangerous dogs/ court orders and 80% were staffs pitbulls
nice try though
maybe you did, maybe you didnt. thats not really the point. Your post's display the same crud that the media spits out daily in order to generate mass hysteria to suit their own purposes. Your working in that environment may certainly give you a bias towards their bleating, but your posts in this topic are showing the same insight to the subject as your posts in the mephadrone topic did.
the media have the power to control what people say and think and are very very good at what they do. In a very real way, the media is the biggest hinderance that we have to free speach today.
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nearly in line....
.....strange continuity problems
kathryn Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,520 posts Joined: Apr, 2005
Posted - 2010/04/16 : 09:02:44
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
sorry used to work in the dog kennels cleaning out the kennels of dangerous dogs/ court orders and 80% were staffs pitbulls
nice try though
maybe you did, maybe you didnt. thats not really the point. Your post's display the same crud that the media spits out daily in order to generate mass hysteria to suit their own purposes. Your working in that environment may certainly give you a bias towards their bleating, but your posts in this topic are showing the same insight to the subject as your posts in the mephadrone topic did.
the media have the power to control what people say and think and are very very good at what they do. In a very real way, the media is the biggest hinderance that we have to free speach today.
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