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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2010/08/31 : 12:57:04
well, i dont want to add any fuel to the flames.....
i think everyone is right to degrees, its a tricky issue.
if music is going to be made for the money or "the quick (churning out as much music as pos) buck"
then its not going to be good
i mean is that really what it is? filesharing is making music less profitable so output has to double and quality has to drop in the rush of things?...that just makes me question what these producers (whoever they are) are in it for....
to me thats the wrong reasons to be making music..
the OP's point still stands - find a job that actually pays money, and on the side make music you enjoy making
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 13:01:12
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
well, i dont want to add any fuel to the flames.....
i think everyone is right to degrees, its a tricky issue.
if music is going to be made for the money or "the quick (churning out as much music as pos) buck"
then its not going to be good
i mean is that really what it is? filesharing is making music less profitable so output has to double and quality has to drop in the rush of things?...that just makes me question what these producers (whoever they are) are in it for....
to me thats the wrong reasons to be making music..
the OP's point still stands - find a job that actually pays money, and on the side make music you enjoy making
I wholeheartedly agree on all points.
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 13:04:45
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
I give up. Clearly you're all as happy as can be with the state hardcore, and music, is in general.
Quite the contrary, we just see the reasons behind the current state differently.
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 13:08:09
everyone downloads,
only beamer shares it...
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 13:30:25
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
well, i dont want to add any fuel to the flames.....
i think everyone is right to degrees, its a tricky issue.
if music is going to be made for the money or "the quick (churning out as much music as pos) buck"
then its not going to be good
i mean is that really what it is? filesharing is making music less profitable so output has to double and quality has to drop in the rush of things?...that just makes me question what these producers (whoever they are) are in it for....
to me thats the wrong reasons to be making music..
the OP's point still stands - find a job that actually pays money, and on the side make music you enjoy making
8 hours working a job, 8 hours sleeping, 8 hours for yourself which is normally taken up by travelling to work, doing chores, eating food, having time for family etc. I can see why so many artists quit their day jobs so they can dedicate their time on making really high quality music and try and make a bit of a living from it too which is a hell of a daring leap to make career wise. Is it really that unreasonable to pay for tracks? It's not like they're rock stars who charge £50+ for tickets and get money from t-shirts and so on.
I understand what you mean by doing it for free, but there is a middle line. If you're doing it for profit, that's pointless really, but on the other hand doing it for free is pretty damn unreasonable. If hardcore had to be released for free you'd see a complete drop in the number of tracks produced (not because they do it for the money but because it's like being rewarded for your efforts; seeing how good of a job you've done), people wont bother going to raves because there wont be enough tunes and they'll get tired of hearing the same old same old. And so on and so forth...knock on effects!
I don't rag on about piracy much because the whole thing is ridiculous and there's so much misinformation going around on both parties, not to mention the word "piracy" blows the whole thing out of proportion (Pirates raped and pilliaged! And as cheeky as some filesharers may be I wouldn't say they're that bad =P). I would agree in a load of other music scenes where artists get money from merch, expensive tickets etc. (I think a lot of them are complete rip off merchants personally) but really being an electronic music producer with the time to actually produce music is a real leap and it doesn't fund itself.
The simple way is if you like a tune - buy it. If it's literally impossible to get it without downloading illegally then download illegally and buy it when it is available. Don't go without...but don't take the piss, simple enough?
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 13:32:14
Well yeah ultimately piracy in itself is not an issue, dishonest people are.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 13:42:46
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
well, i dont want to add any fuel to the flames.....
i think everyone is right to degrees, its a tricky issue.
if music is going to be made for the money or "the quick (churning out as much music as pos) buck"
then its not going to be good
i mean is that really what it is? filesharing is making music less profitable so output has to double and quality has to drop in the rush of things?...that just makes me question what these producers (whoever they are) are in it for....
to me thats the wrong reasons to be making music..
the OP's point still stands - find a job that actually pays money, and on the side make music you enjoy making
Is it really that unreasonable to pay for tracks? It's not like they're rock stars who charge £50+ for tickets and get money from t-shirts and so on.
I understand what you mean by doing it for free, but there is a middle line. If you're doing it for profit, that's pointless really, but on the other hand doing it for free is pretty damn unreasonable. If hardcore had to be released for free you'd see a complete drop in the number of tracks produced (not because they do it for the money but because it's like being rewarded for your efforts; seeing how good of a job you've done), people wont bother going to raves because there wont be enough tunes and they'll get tired of hearing the same old same old. And so on and so forth...knock on effects!
I don't rag on about piracy much because the whole thing is ridiculous and there's so much misinformation going around on both parties, not to mention the word "piracy" blows the whole thing out of proportion (Pirates raped and pilliaged! And as cheeky as some filesharers may be I wouldn't say they're that bad =P). I would agree in a load of other music scenes where artists get money from merch, expensive tickets etc. (I think a lot of them are complete rip off merchants personally) but really being an electronic music producer with the time to actually produce music is a real leap and it doesn't fund itself.
The simple way is if you like a tune - buy it. If it's literally impossible to get it without downloading illegally then download illegally and buy it when it is available. Don't go without...but don't take the piss, simple enough?
i didnt say anything about doing anything for free, and i didnt say anything about filesharing. you seem to have taken what i said almost entirely out of context lol
i have a child, a wife and a fulltime job, and there is plenty of time left to make music
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 16:04:52
There are some producers who are doing it just for fun.
A signing or a sale are just a bonus. 
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HARRIBO
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 16:08:00
tbh i dont get how its wasting our time?
also there are gd and bad tunes released you just gotta search for them!
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DJ-Hutchy
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 Posted - 2010/08/31 : 16:14:11
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
There are some producers who are doing it just for fun.
A signing or a sale are just a bonus.
Totally agree!!!!!!!
producers who are in it for the money have picked the wrong scene
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 17:06:59
I would like to know which producers you are speaking of specifically Naturatech b/c as far as i know there's a lot of producers out there that still produce top quality stuff.
as far as piracy goes, i used to do it but not anymore because it doesn't benefit the scene in any way. but i honestly don't think that really does affect the quality of hardcore because IMO the most mediocre hardcore out there is made by the biggest labels/producers that don't have digital releases for fear of filesharing and piracy. the production can be top quality, but the entertainment value of the tracks just sucks sometimes and sounds too repetitive
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
i mean is that really what it is? filesharing is making music less profitable so output has to double and quality has to drop in the rush of things?...that just makes me question what these producers (whoever they are) are in it for....
I think this may be an argument for some of the producers out there, but not all of them. Thinking back to a recent topic, this possibly fits best with lethal theory and/or Joey Riot & Kurt. so many tracks released at once by Kurt not too long ago, yet I only liked about 2 of them out of i think 20 it was (maybe more). i couldn't think of a better answer for why so many mediocre tunes were released all at once other than what you have provided Triquatra
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 19:51:00
this should be like..the official thread that people paste the URL to when people post shoddy hardcore tracks :P
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 20:08:53
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
i couldn't think of a better answer for why so many mediocre tunes were released all at once other than what you have provided Triquatra
the other reason is the other side of filesharing
its dirt easy for a nobody to get audio software, samples, vsts ..a host of presets bang a few notes into the piano roll and spit it back out onto the WWW, once you've "made" your first track all that seems to happen is they re-arrange the notes and regergate it back up again, maybe with some bootleg acapella
most of those people are all aspiring to the same sound, much like girls and supermodels
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 22:24:39
@andy: If everyone fileshares, how come Thumpa's Worldwide Freeform has yet to see a pirated copy online? I've seen lots of people asking for it, yet no one has uploaded it.
So what's the problem? piracy? Hard2Get answered that (dishonest people).
I think the problems you have is that you make music that attracts people who doesn't care if they buy it or not.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 22:54:49
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
most of those people are all aspiring to the same sound, much like girls and supermodels
 QFT mate, too many wannabes with not enough raw talent.... and a less than basic understanding of music, which is what it's actually all about.
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