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MAtRiCks
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 Posted - 2010/09/01 : 18:06:24
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Samination:
@andy: If everyone fileshares, how come Thumpa's Worldwide Freeform has yet to see a pirated copy online? I've seen lots of people asking for it, yet no one has uploaded it.
So what's the problem? piracy? Hard2Get answered that (dishonest people).
I think the problems you have is that you make music that attracts people who doesn't care if they buy it or not.
yep. i make hardcore.
im not an isolated incident guys. hardcore takes the piss for filesharing. It really does take the piss.
Samination, the only explanation i have for that release (cd?) not being fileshared is that ive never personally heard of thumpa. I bet a lot of other people havent as well. So in general people probably just dont know about it.
Thumpa actually didn't make a track on the CD, but Alek Szahala, Ponder, Nightforce, Endemic, Lost Soul, Oli G and Gammer did. And he supposedly sold 90% of the pressed CDs within a month of pre-orders. so yea, he's not that known.
And if you dont know him, you dont check these forums properly since he advertised it at least 3 times on here and USH.
90% of 200 CD sold, and no copies online. That's alot more than the few MP3 someone mentioned before it got pirated. Either someone's doing it wrong or no one likes Gammer :P
nah he's right, there's just not enough demand for that stuff to warrant a t*rrent upload. no matter what are the names on the album, there's still very little copies sold and it wasn't advertised as such (hhc.com and ush forums are a tiny niches).
not EVERYTHING can be downloaded through t*rrents, or at least not on the main tracker sites. For some stuff you have to find private t*rrent ressources, and there's also stuff that won't ever be uploaded due to lack of demand/popularity.
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Shades
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Posted - 2010/09/01 : 18:11:37
i can't see the problem... if you think a tune is shite & you think it shouldn't of been released....
dont buy it.... or is that too easy 
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/09/01 : 20:54:09
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
dont buy it.... or is that too easy
Yes. If you skim through 100 tunes, and 20 of those are good tunes, compared to only 1 of them being a good tune. There is a difference in the time you have wasted. Despite what you do after.
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Shades
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Posted - 2010/09/01 : 21:00:25
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
dont buy it.... or is that too easy
Yes. If you skim through 100 tunes, and 20 of those are good tunes, compared to only 1 of them being a good tune. There is a difference in the time you have wasted. Despite what you do after.
oh i see so this is about the laziness of the dj rather than the producer thinking what he's released is good.....?
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choonland
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 01:39:51
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
dont buy it.... or is that too easy
Yes. If you skim through 100 tunes, and 20 of those are good tunes, compared to only 1 of them being a good tune. There is a difference in the time you have wasted. Despite what you do after.
oh i see so this is about the laziness of the dj rather than the producer thinking what he's released is good.....?
maybe is a little bit of both, but i think the ultimate blame is the producer, since the dj can only play what has been produced...
believe me, a producer KNOWS when a track he's made is not good enough. from very bigs names to up 'n comers, there are tons of crap tracks out there, it just seems they don't care...
I myself have released free tracks that I'm not completely proud of, and I feel guilty about it, but I dont worry too much since I'm not a well known artist and my tracks are not played in sets.
but if I were trying to be succesfull in this scene, I would never ever release anything below greatness.
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H3RO
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 03:10:54
Isn't greatness a matter of opinion?
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 03:37:36
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Isn't greatness a matter of opinion?
I agree. It's totally relative. I personally wouldn't ever release anything that hasn't at the very least been mixed down on studio monitors and that's been mastered professionally, but hey that's just part of my standard.
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 07:52:07
I don't think he meant the production quality. Rather how the song sounds like
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 16:12:32
Well, a finished song has many different aspects which all add up to make it sound what it sounds like. I would say that part of the mediocrity floating around has a lot to do with this lack of quality control.
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choonland
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 16:33:51
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I don't think he meant the production quality. Rather how the song sounds like
this.
I agree the greatness is a matter of opinion, but 10 million people thinking something is great is different from only one person thinking the same.
my point is that any musician, no matter what genre, knows when he has a HIT in his hands, and when he has "just another tune that sounds ok..."
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 16:56:05
I've heard many stories about bands who record a few songs only to find out later on that the biggest hit was their least expected track of the bunch.
I understand well what choonland and samination mean about "...what it sounds like" but I'm surprised you would overlook the quality issue so bluntly. Nowadays it's so easy to get a DAW and start fiddling around with a pair of headphones but seriously if you take a rough mix of an unmasterd track from any average Joe out there and compare it to a major label track you'll notice the difference. It's that not-so-polished-sound that gets on my nerves really and really does feel like a waste of time cuz I know that it most probably won't ever make the jump to good clean production and even though the composition could be judged as good the mere fact of it not comparing in terms of quality to other tracks I own I can tell straight off I would never include it in one of my sets.
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Shades
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 18:12:24
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Originally posted by choonland:
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Originally posted by Samination:
I don't think he meant the production quality. Rather how the song sounds like
this.
I agree the greatness is a matter of opinion, but 10 million people thinking something is great is different from only one person thinking the same.
my point is that any musician, no matter what genre, knows when he has a HIT in his hands, and when he has "just another tune that sounds ok..."
so producers should only release that 'one' hit? this thread is getting silly on soooo many different levels 
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 18:38:52
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....this thread is getting silly on soooo many different levels
Yes, but the most depressing thing to me is the idea that if the 'mastering / final production' is professional then it's a good track.... ffs
If the actual music ie; the choice of notes is the same old predictable stuff with a 'different' (usually unpleasant) note or
a load of pointless un-emotive extra twiddles that some producers put in, all just to fool us that they're being 'original' but
in actual fact the musical content is little more than the vague and hopeful stabbing of notes on a keyboard that I'd expect from a six year old
then this, imo, is what's wrong with the majority of lower echelon Hardcore these days.
I could be wrong.
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 20:22:31
On the one hand I agree, on the other hand I don't.
Firstly, it's not up to anyone to dictate what producers do and don't do. If they want to put out a load of crap then it's their reputation they put on the line; if they're known for making crap then nobody will care about them and their popularity will dwindle. I can listen to a bunch of tunes and within about 30 seconds to a minute work out if it's either brilliant, repetitive crap or something good enough to even out a set without boring everyone.
On the other hand, I will agree that it really does make me wonder what some artists are trying to achieve by putting out some really crappy unimaginitive stuff but to be honest so many amateurs are actually just as bad too, it's almost like monkey see monkey do. Mastered or not I can tell if a tune is just a collection of beats with a few riffs, same with vocals - give us an acapella and you can tell if it's up to scratch to be a good tune or not.
In the end though; as I said it's their perogative, you can churn out rubbish but if I listen and think "This is crap" then I'm not gonna buy it simple as. I'd say one of the reasons hardcore is pretty crap at the moment is because so much out there is so predictable and unimaginative. But with that in mind I'm not the biggest fan of the production techniques and sounds that have been used in the past 7 or 8 years so my opinions on tracks are very extreme - they're either really good or really crap.
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 20:39:24
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
....this thread is getting silly on soooo many different levels
Yes, but the most depressing thing to me is the idea that if the 'mastering / final production' is professional then it's a good track.... ffs
If the actual music ie; the choice of notes is the same old predictable stuff with a 'different' (usually unpleasant) note or
a load of pointless un-emotive extra twiddles that some producers put in, all just to fool us that they're being 'original' but
in actual fact the musical content is little more than the vague and hopeful stabbing of notes on a keyboard that I'd expect from a six year old
then this, imo, is what's wrong with the majority of lower echelon Hardcore these days.
I could be wrong.
yeah you could have a kick and bass going with nothing else for 4 minutes, it could be professionally mastered and finished, but it doesnt make it a good tune...
**** knows why Gammers Bang Yer Head off is so popular. Its nothing more than what I described above..
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