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DJ_FunDaBounce
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 Posted - 2010/09/02 : 20:54:53
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
....this thread is getting silly on soooo many different levels 
Yes, but the most depressing thing to me is the idea that if the 'mastering / final production' is professional then it's a good track.... ffs
I agree, though I don't think anybody has actually stated that. What I said is that for the stuff I intend on releasing I wouldn't settle for anything but the studio mixdown and professional mastering job. I've set a bar for myself and hope to maintain it, simple as that.
Going back to the topic, I would add that If somebody believes in a track enough to put money into it for mastering or to take it into a studio for extra work then I would say this renders this discussion pointless.
It is in believing the track is good that labels, small or big, place their money on it!
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 22:47:46
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Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
It is in believing the track is good that labels, small or big, place their money on it!
....and if they think that it's not too far off of what is currently considered 'normal' and therefore 'sellable'.
If it's too 'different' it has no chance, even though people constantly complain that they're sick of the same old, same old, same old, etc etc etc................
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 22:56:37
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
so producers should only release that 'one' hit? this thread is getting silly on soooo many different levels
nah it's kionda not, if i had my own way, i'd make sure from now on, anyone claiming to be a 'hardcore' producer, go back to the past sound (95-97) using hardware samplers and actual mixing desks, hard kicks and breakbeats, proper rave stabs etc. more boom.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 23:04:46
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
so producers should only release that 'one' hit? this thread is getting silly on soooo many different levels
nah it's kionda not, if i had my own way, i'd make sure from now on, anyone claiming to be a 'hardcore' producer, go back to the past sound (95-97) using hardware samplers and actual mixing desks, hard kicks and breakbeats, proper rave stabs etc. more boom.
fortunately for the rest of the world you don't have your own way
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 04:25:02
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
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Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
It is in believing the track is good that labels, small or big, place their money on it!
....and if they think that it's not too far off of what is currently considered 'normal' and therefore 'sellable'.
If it's too 'different' it has no chance, even though people constantly complain that they're sick of the same old, same old, same old, etc etc etc................
ran into this with my last release. Tried to do something really experimental, blew up in my face. Myself, and the record label owner thought it was good. It was different, but had good elements. it got slagged to death on the forums, but sold fairly well.
There really is a fine line.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 04:42:57
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
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Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
It is in believing the track is good that labels, small or big, place their money on it!
....and if they think that it's not too far off of what is currently considered 'normal' and therefore 'sellable'.
If it's too 'different' it has no chance, even though people constantly complain that they're sick of the same old, same old, same old, etc etc etc................
ran into this with my last release. Tried to do something really experimental, blew up in my face. Myself, and the record label owner thought it was good. It was different, but had good elements. it got slagged to death on the forums, but sold fairly well.
There really is a fine line.
numbers in sales speak more than internet forums. you will find more ppl complaining about tracks than u do ppl praising it not b/c there are far more ppl that disliked it, but because ppl who will complain about something are always more vocal than ppl who actually liked it
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 08:38:57
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
ran into this with my last release. Tried to do something really experimental, blew up in my face. Myself, and the record label owner thought it was good. It was different, but had good elements. it got slagged to death on the forums, but sold fairly well.
There really is a fine line.
Time Travel?
I like the middle part (reminds me of carnevil), but I'm not sure what you tried to make the rest of the track sound like
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 09:54:13
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
ran into this with my last release. Tried to do something really experimental, blew up in my face. Myself, and the record label owner thought it was good. It was different, but had good elements. it got slagged to death on the forums, but sold fairly well.
There really is a fine line.
Time Travel?
not sure what you tried to make the rest of the track sound like
thats the point, genius. It wasnt meant to sound like anything, it was meant to be different LOL
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 10:09:38
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
ran into this with my last release. Tried to do something really experimental, blew up in my face. Myself, and the record label owner thought it was good. It was different, but had good elements. it got slagged to death on the forums, but sold fairly well.
There really is a fine line.
Time Travel?
not sure what you tried to make the rest of the track sound like
thats the point, genius. It wasnt meant to sound like anything, it was meant to be different LOL
it was me pushing the boundaries in every way i could think of. It was sidechained distortion and the riff was in triplets. Thats all.
I don't know how it reminded you of carnevil though. Carnevil had a carnival theme through the breakdown lol.
I'm not done with Carnevil, either.
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 10:57:21
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
ran into this with my last release. Tried to do something really experimental, blew up in my face. Myself, and the record label owner thought it was good. It was different, but had good elements. it got slagged to death on the forums, but sold fairly well.
There really is a fine line.
Time Travel?
not sure what you tried to make the rest of the track sound like
thats the point, genius. It wasnt meant to sound like anything, it was meant to be different LOL
it was me pushing the boundaries in every way i could think of. It was sidechained distortion and the riff was in triplets. Thats all.
I don't know how it reminded you of carnevil though. Carnevil had a carnival theme through the breakdown lol.
I'm not done with Carnevil, either.
My friend challeneged me to write a hardcore song in triplets. Sounds like I wont bother :D
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 13:17:55
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
ran into this with my last release. Tried to do something really experimental, blew up in my face. Myself, and the record label owner thought it was good. It was different, but had good elements. it got slagged to death on the forums, but sold fairly well.
There really is a fine line.
Time Travel?
not sure what you tried to make the rest of the track sound like
thats the point, genius. It wasnt meant to sound like anything, it was meant to be different LOL
it was me pushing the boundaries in every way i could think of. It was sidechained distortion and the riff was in triplets. Thats all.
I don't know how it reminded you of carnevil though. Carnevil had a carnival theme through the breakdown lol.
I'm not done with Carnevil, either.
My friend challeneged me to write a hardcore song in triplets. Sounds like I wont bother :D
its not a challenge. And it sold well. Ive done other tracks in triplets which also sold well. One is forthcoming on a compilation :)
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 14:09:47
well it just felt like the gabber version of carnevil.
And what did you mean your not done? Is it going to be more sinister? :D bring it on!
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2010/09/04 : 13:08:46
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
....this thread is getting silly on soooo many different levels
Yes, but the most depressing thing to me is the idea that if the 'mastering / final production' is professional then it's a good track.... ffs
If the actual music ie; the choice of notes is the same old predictable stuff with a 'different' (usually unpleasant) note or
a load of pointless un-emotive extra twiddles that some producers put in, all just to fool us that they're being 'original' but
in actual fact the musical content is little more than the vague and hopeful stabbing of notes on a keyboard that I'd expect from a six year old
then this, imo, is what's wrong with the majority of lower echelon Hardcore these days.
I could be wrong.
yeah you could have a kick and bass going with nothing else for 4 minutes, it could be professionally mastered and finished, but it doesnt make it a good tune...
**** knows why Gammers Bang Yer Head off is so popular. Its nothing more than what I described above..
Haha - agreed. Terrible track.
As for the topic at hand... I agree that copyright/region restrictions on mp3s are ridiculous - I really hope labels start sorting that out. It's completely nonsensical.
However, it's easy to say that producers should just be in it for the love of the music and shouldn't care about sales, but it's not fair at all. If all hardcore producers were like me (full time job and simply produce as a hobby), then that would be fine. All the most successful producers are full time DJs/Producers though.
Some of them even have to engineer house and other styles to make a living.
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smythy-endemic
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Posted - 2010/09/06 : 17:35:07
Ahhhh yes, filesharing..... a topic people love to discuss.
I personally dont agree with it but there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop it. We produce music because we love it, not because we ever expect a return. I personally dont do it because i feel like a cheap skate if i do. What is a couple of quid on a track when most of the people in the scene will spend that relentlessly on disco buscuits week in week out and feel rough for it. Music makes you feel good so why extend those T-Rex arems into those deep pockets and make an honest legal purchase once and a while?
Freeform is on the rise and more and more people are getting into it. I do feel that filesharing will have an effect on how big it can get.
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/09/06 : 19:04:56
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Originally posted by smythy-endemic:
Ahhhh yes, filesharing..... a topic people love to discuss.
I personally dont agree with it but there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop it. We produce music because we love it, not because we ever expect a return. I personally dont do it because i feel like a cheap skate if i do. What is a couple of quid on a track when most of the people in the scene will spend that relentlessly on disco buscuits week in week out and feel rough for it. Music makes you feel good so why extend those T-Rex arems into those deep pockets and make an honest legal purchase once and a while?
Freeform is on the rise and more and more people are getting into it. I do feel that filesharing will have an effect on how big it can get.
That would be because it starting to sound like harddance or regular hardcore. That is not what I want from the freeform that I enjoyed from 2000 to 2006. Is freeform compromising it's sound just to get more listeners? Do we need another forum for new-form haters? Heck I'd start USH2 right now if you want. :P
I'm was fine with it when they just borrowed elements from other genres. But when it just sounds like they pitched up the tracks. That's where I drew the line.
The bigger it gets, the more people will notice it. Automatically that leads to more people will download it. The reason behind it is still random tho. Some might not have the money, some might just want to sample, and some might just be dicks. But then, producer's aren't exactly holy, why should they expect the consumer to be the same.
Just to make a comparison. Did people whine about people borrowing out their tapepacks so people could copy them?
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