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Cyrax
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 Posted - 2015/08/04 : 08:10:01
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Obie MC walks in, does an hour, and he's off. Doesn't engage with fans or DJ's.
I don't know if you're trolling or not but Obie is one of the most helpful people in the rave scene, he is constantly pushing new ideas and has been a major help in getting people exposure.
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2015/08/04 : 20:36:11
****ing hell I will stick up for Obie as I know him well enough, I have never seen Obie waltz into a rave do his set then go, unless he has somewhere else to be. I've spent ages at raves with him and no one buzzes off the music as much as him, he knows more tunes than any hardcore MC I know, is on the dancefloor before and after his set listening to the tunes (Summer Gathering last week, we were listening to Joey and Mob before our set) and is friendly with everyone. As an MC he watches for the mix, doesn't speak over vocals or big bits, knows EXACTLY what to say and when to say it and most of all compliments the music.
Can dickheads who don't actually go to raves in the UK just stop posting drivel about raves in the UK?
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Claxton
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 12:05:28
Yeah, that Obie comment is complete crap.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 17:28:34
You've all construed my comment as me accusing him of being rude or something, but if an MC or a DJ books multiple events in a night that they have very little time to travel between, they may not have a choice. I'm not making a character judgment, but if multiple events in a night are common-place, it happens and virtually every sought after patron of entertainment does it.
The issue with that is that it does become very serious and formulaic if the duty is to perform and then leave to make another event. Put that next to what Sharkey is saying in the original post. I guess I'm making a judgment of what your job is. Perhaps being an MC doesn't entail the responsibility with engaging with fans at every single rave, but maybe that's why Hardcore is difficult to engage with for a lot of people. People go to a local rave, hear a set and try to talk to a DJ who's already carrying his cases out to his burgundy Mk1 Vectra.
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 17:56:13
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Originally posted by Elipton:
You've all construed my comment as me accusing him of being rude or something.
Not really mate. You very specifically called him out - and only him - on fcuking off after his sets all the time.
The simple fact is - he doesn't. And you've watered down your response to try and make it seem like you were being more general.
I'll give you an example of Obie engaging with the crowd. During his set with A.B on the last night of In The Sun, he didn't stand on the stage once and spent most of the time in the crowd, facing the same direction as the ravers, paying homage to the DJ.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 18:13:41
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
You've all construed my comment as me accusing him of being rude or something.
Not really mate. You very specifically called him out - and only him - on fcuking off after his sets all the time.
The simple fact is - he doesn't. And you've watered down your response to try and make it seem like you were being more general.
I'll give you an example of Obie engaging with the crowd. During his set with A.B on the last night of In The Sun, he didn't stand on the stage once and spent most of the time in the crowd, facing the same direction as the ravers, paying homage to the DJ.
Regardless of whether or not I've 'called him out' (cute dramatization of my post), I didn't suggest he was rude. Sharkeys video questions how serious and formulaic the scene is, and I responded with what I've seen.
I've not watered it down, I've expanded. I'm stating what I've seen, and incidentally the same instance was observed by a slightly disgruntled DJ.
Your example next to mine suggests he pays for more respect to big events than smaller local ones. HTID in the Sun is an event that will be underlined and circled on the calendar. Hardly representative of an average weekend.
Before anyone thinks I'm calling it out, please don't misconstrue my comment about burgundy Vauxhall Vectra's. They're good cars, and GM worked hard to make their marquee car a reliable one. No amount of engine squeal can put doubt on their ability to get between raves. I hope no one thinks I'm watering that down
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 18:20:03
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
You've all construed my comment as me accusing him of being rude or something.
Not really mate. You very specifically called him out - and only him - on fcuking off after his sets all the time.
The simple fact is - he doesn't. And you've watered down your response to try and make it seem like you were being more general.
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I'll give you an example of Obie engaging with the crowd. During his set with A.B on the last night of In The Sun, he didn't stand on the stage once and spent most of the time in the crowd, facing the same direction as the ravers, paying homage to the DJ.
This reminded me that Obie also hung around the dance floor at ITS when I went in 2012. Can't remember which night it was, but it was more than likely the night DS did a 4-hour set.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 18:43:11
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Regardless of whether or not I've 'called him out' (cute dramatization of my post), I didn't suggest he was rude. Sharkeys video questions how serious and formulaic the scene is, and I responded with what I've seen.
I've not watered it down, I've expanded. I'm stating what I've seen, and incidentally the same instance was observed by a slightly disgruntled DJ.
When he's the one and only MC/DJ you name who does his gig and then leaves without engaging with any fans or DJs, then yes that is calling him out, especially when you just mentioned another 'slightly disgruntled DJ' and didn't have the balls to even name him/her. He could not have possibly been the only one you noticed who does that.
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Your example next to mine suggests he pays for more respect to big events than smaller local ones. HTID in the Sun is an event that will be underlined and circled on the calendar. Hardly representative of an average weekend.
Actually no even at big events DJs and MCs can be massive cunts about socializing outside of their circle of friends. I noticed Storm as being one of those notorious for this.
From that event the most ones I remember that I personally interacted with were Fracus (Darwin couldn't make it), Marc Smith, MC Static, Chris Unknown, Klubfiller (I know that one is a surprise considering how much shit I give him now lol) and Al Storm. Besides the ones I just mentioned I managed to also take pictures with A.B, Douglas, Joey Riot, Squad-E, Brisk, Scott Brown, Darren Styles, Technikore, Gammer, Dougal, MOB, and MC Whizzkid.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 19:07:34
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
When he's the one and only MC/DJ you name who does his gig and then leaves without engaging with any fans or DJs, then yes that is calling him out, especially when you just mentioned another 'slightly disgruntled DJ' and didn't have the balls to even name him/her. He could not have possibly been the only one you noticed who does that.
What difference would that make?
Sharkey's interview drew attention to MC's. I don't endeavor to speak to - or watch what MC's do, but I noticed in particular on this occasion he didn't hang about and it was mentioned afterwards. I've seen various other DJ's come and go to events with only a nod and couple of handshakes as they leave through the smoking area in a rush.
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Actually no even at big events DJs and MCs can be massive cunts about socializing outside of their circle of friends. I noticed Storm as being one of those notorious for this.
From that event the most ones I remember that I personally interacted with were Fracus (Darwin couldn't make it), Marc Smith, blah blah blah gabble gabble
I'm not sure exactly what your point is. I'm referring to them leaving raves to go to other raves on a tight schedule. What other bookings would they have on a foreign island? Like I say, this isn't a character assessment. I'm not 'calling out' anyone based on their willingness to have a photo taken.
To be honest, I'm surprised that you're all a bit dumbfounded by the concept of multiple bookings per night. Then again, I guess one of you is a continent away, and a couple of others stick to the haven of big events and freeform nights, where a slither of the utopia that Sharkey speaks of in the interview still exists. DJ's do talk about this though.. Stories of cars breaking down and being late for events because they're covering London to Nottingham in the space of a few hours etc etc.
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Obie MC
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 19:15:35
So sharkey talks about a time when there was probably one rave a month on maybe two. That's why the stayed all night. I'll stay anywhere if I can and there is other artists I want to see etc. raves are my life and have been for 11 years.
What event did I come and go straight away from?
Just so I know.
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 19:46:00
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Originally posted by Elipton:
I've not watered it down, I've expanded.
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Originally posted by Elipton:
To be honest, I'm surprised that you're all a bit dumbfounded by the concept of multiple bookings per night.
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Obie MC walks in, does an hour, and he's off. Doesn't engage with fans or DJ's.
MC's can manipulate promoters and even how tracks are produced. They can have a producer take out vocals from parts of tracks so they have bars to chat over.
The biggest poison is Storm.
But anyway, there's a lot of questions you could has him. I guess his views on Hardcore now are probably the reason.
And it is formulaic. Big labels try and be professional and all this nonsense (even though they fall over their own lack of organization) and try too hard. I miss Sharkey because he did inject a 'fun' element. Labels that filled his vacuum failed to achieve what he did massively.
There is not a single reference - let alone theme - suggesting that your initial post was about multiple bookings. How can you expand on something that you didn't originally cite?
All you had to say was - and you didn't even have to do it graciously - "Fine, guys - maybe I'm wrong about Obie - I was just going off of one particular night I observed it personally, but my points about etc. etc. are still valid...."
That is all you had to do. You just can't bring yourself to do it. And you use your reasonably decent English to make everything all long-winded and pointless until you irritate or bore the absolute fcuk out of anyone reading.
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 19:58:07
Well there's a reason why Elipton and I keep getting on each other's nerves. We are trying to see who's the bigger troll...
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 20:06:55
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
I've not watered it down, I've expanded.
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
To be honest, I'm surprised that you're all a bit dumbfounded by the concept of multiple bookings per night.
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Obie MC walks in, does an hour, and he's off. Doesn't engage with fans or DJ's.
MC's can manipulate promoters and even how tracks are produced. They can have a producer take out vocals from parts of tracks so they have bars to chat over.
The biggest poison is Storm.
But anyway, there's a lot of questions you could has him. I guess his views on Hardcore now are probably the reason.
And it is formulaic. Big labels try and be professional and all this nonsense (even though they fall over their own lack of organization) and try too hard. I miss Sharkey because he did inject a 'fun' element. Labels that filled his vacuum failed to achieve what he did massively.
There is not a single reference - let alone theme - suggesting that your initial post was about multiple bookings. How can you expand on something that you didn't originally cite?
All you had to say was - and you didn't even have to do it graciously - "Fine, guys - maybe I'm wrong about Obie - I was just going off of one particular night I observed it personally, but my points about etc. etc. are still valid...."
That is all you had to do. You just can't bring yourself to do it. And you use your reasonably decent English to make everything all long-winded and pointless until you irritate or bore the absolute fcuk out of anyone reading.
Olly admit he was wrong???
We have a much better chance of seeing Sy and Storm mend fences!
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arpz
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 21:44:29
Just jumping in a little bit drunk to say that you have come across like a proper **** here elipton, your backtracking is complete bollocks and it's not fooling anyone. Tried to make a point, didn't work, gutted.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2015/08/05 : 21:47:48
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
I've not watered it down, I've expanded.
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
To be honest, I'm surprised that you're all a bit dumbfounded by the concept of multiple bookings per night.
quote:
Originally posted by Elipton:
Obie MC walks in, does an hour, and he's off. Doesn't engage with fans or DJ's.
MC's can manipulate promoters and even how tracks are produced. They can have a producer take out vocals from parts of tracks so they have bars to chat over.
The biggest poison is Storm.
But anyway, there's a lot of questions you could has him. I guess his views on Hardcore now are probably the reason.
And it is formulaic. Big labels try and be professional and all this nonsense (even though they fall over their own lack of organization) and try too hard. I miss Sharkey because he did inject a 'fun' element. Labels that filled his vacuum failed to achieve what he did massively.
There is not a single reference - let alone theme - suggesting that your initial post was about multiple bookings. How can you expand on something that you didn't originally cite?
Because in actuality, it doesn't bare any relevance why he left. And I wasn't wrong, Obie posted earlier I think saying he goes to other gigs, goes to do art or to his family.
I admit that the structure of my post sucked. Reading it back, it's almost as though I'm saying Obie manipulates the scene and blah blah, but I made the point about coming and going in relation to Sharkey's remark about the scene being formulaic.
And for clarity, we're on a forum. It's quite easy to expand on a previous statement. This forum even has a quote feature to make it easier.
I do admire how quick you all are to jump to defense of people against anyone with an opinion or observation. It's umm.. adorable
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