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Claxton
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 Posted - 2016/01/04 : 23:27:17
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Originally posted by rafferty:
Yeah hopefully there is alot more to be realised from him in 2016. Never knew he was originally Rocket Pimp. Guess there is no chance of him being on FW if they parted ways. Maybe TWR will sign a few of his tracks.
House music producers always seem to do well at making Hardcore. Recon is another producer that does both although he has been quiet lately with rave tracks.
He decided to stop making Hardcore and that's kind of why it all ended. He was mainly known in Hardcore for his stuff as one half of Petruccio & Modulate? Ring any bells? If not check out 'Missing'. Obviously they were one of the main protagonists behind the 'dubcore' sound.
I think he decided recently to get rid of all his aliases and t9 just make music of all genres under the guise of Stonebank. He obviously got the urge to write hardcore again too. I don't think he will ever really return to hardcore fully, but will be more a bit part player and continue to release everything on Monstercat.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 23:32:43
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Originally posted by DJ D-Luc-D:
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Originally posted by Elliot:
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Originally posted by DJ D-Luc-D:
"I guess what I?m saying is, drag Hardcore with you, not just the TWR sound."
Can you clarify what exactly you mean by "the TWR sound"? Are you referring to big-room/Melbourne Bounce-style hardcore or the watered-down stuff that's still melodic? Or both? :P
I can't speak for anyone else but when I talk about the "TWR sound", I mean both. One of these things is more like hardcore than the other but they've both ventured a long way from home.
Hmm ok, I just wonder why they get so much flack for doing these sounds by this forum, but it's not treated as a big deal when producers like Fracus & Darwin do it. :P
Yeah, it's an odd one. For some reason, Fracus & Darwin have a certain immunity from criticism on this forum. It bothers me.
I didn't like Diversions and I think they're bang average now. They stopped making proper hardcore a long time ago and how they're allegedly "keeping the happy vibe alive" is anyone's guess. Fracus & Darwin are just TWR Lite to me.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 23:37:58
Hardcore treats talented people badly, always,
That's been true for *years*
Let's play pretend that it's in some way *not* the fault of the scene elite 
P.S: Darwin would have been kicked out of hardcore in 2004 if Ze Scene Elite had a say. The only reason he's here is moi. Scary? Sadly Still true. Scene elite *still* want F&D gone, Not good enough, apparently.. 
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d2kx
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 23:53:18
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Originally posted by CDJay:Scene elite *still* want F&D gone, Not good enough, apparently..
You know that Gammer really dislikes when people see him or TWR as the "scene elite" who have some kind of responsibility, and you know that he really appreciates HU even if your styles are different and don't quite fit into what he's trying to do, yet you still bring this up.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2016/01/04 : 23:55:15
I'm curious to hear your thoughts Jay on some of the points I've made with regards to radio versions, mixed genre remixes and online streaming as a leading label owner
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trippnface
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 01:29:39
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Originally posted by d2kx:
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Originally posted by CDJay:Scene elite *still* want F&D gone, Not good enough, apparently..
You know that Gammer really dislikes when people see him or TWR as the "scene elite" who have some kind of responsibility, and you know that he really appreciates HU even if your styles are different and don't quite fit into what he's trying to do, yet you still bring this up.
i didnt see him say gammer ;)
the way i took that for an example would be like saying a select political party is shit. not specifically pointing fingers at any one individual in the party but ( ie; collectively all members are indeed shit; if the party is shit ) ; they have chosen to represent that group; so they must represent the group as a whole; and vice versa.
scene elite = shit political party.
though i am baffled such a thing is really happening.
can't we just tell them to **** off?
i forgot what makes them elite?
more money?
sorry; but to me ; someone saying they want fracus & darwin "gone" from the hardcore scene is like saying i should be arrested for thinking free thoughts. IT'S INSULTING . and they should feel like a massive load of dog shit. probably like their music sounds.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 01:30:32
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Originally posted by CDJay:
P.S: Darwin would have been kicked out of hardcore in 2004 if Ze Scene Elite had a say. The only reason he's here is moi. Scary? Sadly Still true. Scene elite *still* want F&D gone, Not good enough, apparently..
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trippnface
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 01:49:10
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by DJ D-Luc-D:
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Originally posted by Elliot:
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Originally posted by DJ D-Luc-D:
"I guess what I?m saying is, drag Hardcore with you, not just the TWR sound."
Can you clarify what exactly you mean by "the TWR sound"? Are you referring to big-room/Melbourne Bounce-style hardcore or the watered-down stuff that's still melodic? Or both? :P
I can't speak for anyone else but when I talk about the "TWR sound", I mean both. One of these things is more like hardcore than the other but they've both ventured a long way from home.
Hmm ok, I just wonder why they get so much flack for doing these sounds by this forum, but it's not treated as a big deal when producers like Fracus & Darwin do it. :P
Yeah, it's an odd one. For some reason, Fracus & Darwin have a certain immunity from criticism on this forum. It bothers me.
I didn't like Diversions and I think they're bang average now. They stopped making proper hardcore a long time ago and how they're allegedly "keeping the happy vibe alive" is anyone's guess. Fracus & Darwin are just TWR Lite to me.
i wouldn't say they are immune; it is just a tad hard to criticize literally one of the only beacons we have right now; imo at least. not to mention for me alot of criticism i give comes for those being a sell out bitch; or flat out producing horrible sounding music. which i cant accuse f & d of. at this point i don't even consider a few of those other big names as hardcore artists. sure; what f & d are doing doesnt sound like my golden era uk hardcore; but that is so rare nowadays anyway man we might as well forget about it.
** also i am far less buthurt now because i have so much DANK ****ing j core to go through now i aint even trippin on uk hardcore anymore ;) . besides some Japanese lyrics; alot of those guys are hitting my uk hardcore euphoria needs 100%
makina too. will never understand why more hardcore fans are not into makina!
makina imo is sooo much closer to uk hardcore i dont get the whole powerstomp push instead :/
i show this kind of stuff to my friends that like uk hardcore and they love it!
https://soundcloud.com/djsatworklabel/alex-laser-dj-lobo-red-eagle-previa
https://soundcloud.com/hurce/demo-hurce-border-makers-fc-el_viage
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 04:50:30
To be honest, F&D do need to be criticized, but if someone doesn't, it's CDJay. If he can help more people became available (preferbly japanese guys not called Shimamura :P), it would be godly, because it doesnt look like Gammer or DS are interested in supporting diversity
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 07:00:50
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Originally posted by DJ D-Luc-D:
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Originally posted by Elliot:
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Originally posted by DJ D-Luc-D:
"I guess what I?m saying is, drag Hardcore with you, not just the TWR sound."
Can you clarify what exactly you mean by "the TWR sound"? Are you referring to big-room/Melbourne Bounce-style hardcore or the watered-down stuff that's still melodic? Or both? :P
I can't speak for anyone else but when I talk about the "TWR sound", I mean both. One of these things is more like hardcore than the other but they've both ventured a long way from home.
Hmm ok, I just wonder why they get so much flack for doing these sounds by this forum, but it's not treated as a big deal when producers like Fracus & Darwin do it. :P
Not entirely true many people have made comments here and there on the forum for these sounds, but they get less flack probably because they don't heavily use them like TWR does. I find that they manage to find a great balance between the current trends of what's popular in more mainstream hardcore and their own signature sound.
But check out their SoundCloud for the truly nasty comments. I remember when Landed/Landing was put up for preview it DID NOT get a lot of praise, quite the opposite on Soundcloud. It didn't receive much attention on the forums either.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 09:00:39
F&D are no more immune to criticism than anyone.
They've done plenty of stuff that I'm not to keen on and I've seen many people say the same.
The main difference is that they don't go around shouting about how great they are and how their sound is the only way forward.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 09:50:02
Not referring to Gammer, who I've actually spoken to this year.
I really rate most of the TWR stuff, which is why I fought to have it repped on HU7. I personally feel that the general direction of the music atm is promising and could lead to better things. Elliot clearly disagrees
I've been increasingly frustrated through 2015; it doesn't feel like anyone learned anything from 99-01 or 12-14. It's all very well not wanting to have any sort of responsibility, but if the people with the largest baked in reach aren't displaying any interest in the wider scene it doesn't exactly inspire others to. If someone gets into "hardcore" from DS @ EDC what does that actually lead *to*?
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CDJay
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 09:52:42
As far as radio edits, digital/streaming etc go... we have some ideas we're working on.
As always, it's a balancing act. I'm all for increasing reach and adapting to consumption trends *but* Spotify etc currently pay so little that HU would survive about 6 months before folding and everyone involved moving on if we used that model. CDs have worked well for us; we've generated literally hundreds of thousands of pounds for the scene when it was on it's knees. It's not a sustainable model; we know this, but must tread carefully.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 10:17:02
I dont think Spotify is the ONLY solution. It's only meant to be a compliment(?) to whatever already exists. Unless you don't have any income from music anyways, then Spotify would be a great asset, but not like in CDJay's case where music is (one of) their income(s?). Well tbh I think Taylor Swift went nuts for scraps, but it's not like Apple or Tidel (L.O.L.) is any better
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Vladel
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Posted - 2016/01/05 : 14:22:44
I used to criticise f&d all the time and you lot moaned, funny thing is I quite like them now and although like the man says "it isn't golden era." Then again I'd take f&d over TWR any day.
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