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ArdcorePower
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 Posted - 2016/09/17 : 10:35:44
I wish I had the cash for the Tidy collection. I would have done that without thinking twice about it.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2016/10/03 : 16:25:08
I know I'm late to the party but whatever.
Just to put this in perspective and to play devil's advocate, Ham could earn the ?10k in a weekend in the drum & bass scene now. Like it or not, his market value has increased HUGELY since he blew up in dnb. Anyone in drums signed to RAM is earning more than anyone in the hardcore scene, Gammer and Styles included. His booking fee for an hour is probably more than anyone in hardcore. Long story short: he's worth at least an order of magnitude more since he crossed over to drums.
From a purely financial perspective, hardcore is not worth his time. Realistically, he was probably making scraps in hardcore. Look at how HU struggle. Ham was very much in that same category. At the end of his hardcore career, I doubt his NG/BB tracks were selling more than a few hundred copies with the scene on its knees and filesharing rampant. He was probably personally making something like ?500 on each track (notice how he didn't bother releasing "Anything For You" before he left even though he'd obviously already finished it). Most people in the scene rely on bookings but Ham was always criminally underrated and underappreciated so I doubt he was making bank through that route either.
Looking at it objectively, ?10k compared to the time it would take him to make 10 good tracks, especially when he seems to be a perfectionist, is actually a massive undervaluation of his time now. I guess we've just got to accept that. He was too good for hardcore when he was producing it and now he's too valuable for hardcore as well.
Having said all that, I have to also say that it saddens me. Ham is probably in my all-time top 3 and the idea of his returning to hardcore seemed like nothing more than my wildest wet dream. Now that it's actually happening, there's a bitter note to it. He always struck me as someone who loved the genre and the music; not the kind to go for a cynical cash-grab. If anything, I thought he might chuck out the occasional free hardcore track that he made just for nostalgic reasons or whatever. But, instead, he goes for this. From a financial perspective, yeah, I understand where he's coming from but I guess I expected something different.
In my opinion, the exclusivity angle is completely misguided. Make no mistake, these tracks will leak and everyone who paid under the false guise of exclusivity will have been ripped off. This project is crying out for crowdfunding. Just put up a Kickstarter, set the target at ?10k, set the album contribution at ?25 or something and any shortfall can be made up by the slightly wealthier people who want to guarantee the success of the project in return for some kind of perk. Ham's going about this completely the wrong way.
I really don't know how to feel about this. When I saw the topic title, my heart almost skipped a beat. Then I read it and I'm completely ambivalent. The worst part is that I can't afford it. I love Ham to the extent that I would pay the ?100 if I had it but following years of debilitating illness, I simply don't. The way he conducted this disappointed me; the fact that I can't afford it is devastating.
EDIT: Like seriously, I genuinely feel shitty now. My life has been destroyed through illness and music is one of the only things I still have to enjoy and look forward to. ****.
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Edited by - Elliott on 2016/10/04 16:57:35 |
Samination
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Posted - 2016/10/03 : 16:52:44
Sadly, I believe he didnt do the fundraising route because he's trying to evade having to pay much for managing it. Sites like Kickstarter takes a share of any successfully crowdfunded projects I believe.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2016/10/04 : 16:51:07
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Originally posted by Samination:
Sadly, I believe he didnt do the fundraising route because he's trying to evade having to pay much for managing it. Sites like Kickstarter takes a share of any successfully crowdfunded projects I believe.
That sucks. :(
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Originally posted by Elliott:
I really don't know how to feel about this. When I saw the topic title, my heart almost skipped a beat. Then I read it and I'm completely ambivalent. The worst part is that I can't afford it. I love Ham to the extent that I would pay the ?100 if I had it but following years of debilitating illness, I simply don't. The way he conducted this disappointed me; the fact that I can't afford it is devastating.
What's the situation then, lads? Has anyone here bought in? Is Ham still taking interest from people? Can anyone here go 50/50 with me? (which Ham himself said he doesn't mind too much and obviously I'm in dire straits). Can we get some kind of thing going? Can someone please help me out? I need these tracks damnit. I don't know if I'm even going to be alive in 2 years time and there's no way I'm missing out on anything. :@
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Edited by - Elliott on 2016/10/04 16:54:07 |
Bring Me Round To Love
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Posted - 2016/10/04 : 18:50:37
Drums? Is that what they call DnB these days, maybe Ham was a bit bored making it and now wants to make an expensive Hardcore Album instead and get his creative juices flowing.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/10/04 : 18:53:23
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Originally posted by Elliott:
What's the situation then, lads? Has anyone here bought in? Is Ham still taking interest from people? Can anyone here go 50/50 with me? (which Ham himself said he doesn't mind too much and obviously I'm in dire straits). Can we get some kind of thing going? Can someone please help me out? I need these tracks damnit. I don't know if I'm even going to be alive in 2 years time and there's no way I'm missing out on anything. :@
Thumpa's supposedly doing it in 3rds, maybe he'll see this thread?
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Elliott
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Posted - 2016/10/04 : 19:48:01
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Elliott:
What's the situation then, lads? Has anyone here bought in? Is Ham still taking interest from people? Can anyone here go 50/50 with me? (which Ham himself said he doesn't mind too much and obviously I'm in dire straits). Can we get some kind of thing going? Can someone please help me out? I need these tracks damnit. I don't know if I'm even going to be alive in 2 years time and there's no way I'm missing out on anything. :@
Thumpa's supposedly doing it in 3rds, maybe he'll see this thread?
Nice one. Maybe I'll shoot him a PM. :)
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/10/04 : 20:32:35
If not, I'll chuck in with a few others!
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Elliott
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Posted - 2016/10/05 : 03:04:47
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
If not, I'll chuck in with a few others!
Good man. I'm hopeful we'll be able to sort something out.
I really don't think that Ham will have a problem with small groups pooling. I think it's mostly the leaking thing he cares about but I know none of us would do that so I think we're safe to have a little HH.com whip-round.
People on this forum are the same people who actually paid for his music when he was actively producing in the first place. I feel like we deserve to be part of his swan song (which, realistically, this probably is, unless he's suddenly found some huge love of producing hardcore again). I know I personally spent over ?100 on NG/BB digis alone back in the day. I was a student at the time and relative to what I had coming in, I was easily spending half of it on hardcore.
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Edited by - Elliott on 2016/10/05 03:10:09 |
Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/10/05 : 08:25:51
Same as, not so much now but back in the day half of my money was spent on this music, I don't want to miss out and he clearly doesn't mind us doing this. He'll get his ten large either way and everybody's happy.
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2016/10/05 : 08:55:56
Guys, I'm already signed up with deposit, if someone wants to pay me ?50.00 and get them when they're done I don't mind :)
Triceps/Elliot? ?33.33 each?
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Edited by - Cyrax on 2016/10/05 08:58:06 |
Samination
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Posted - 2016/10/05 : 09:04:36
25 if I spoon/fork/knife in?
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/10/05 : 10:12:34
Yeah, I'll do 25 notes if Sami is in as well, how many you willing to let in on this? I'm not a complete tight arse, I'm just asking :)
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2016/10/05 : 12:00:15
You and Sam can both do ?33.3333333333333333
And then we'll call it a day
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/10/05 : 14:34:02
I'd be up for it, no Elliott though?
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