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ryg0r
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 Posted - 2005/06/24 : 07:32:45
Just been reading some ush mush, and let me tell you, its very interesting.
The some of the fellas there are worried about a hardcore bust, rather than a boom much like the late 90's. (or even Boom-bust like the Quintex group)
What about nu talent, is that going to get a chance (I'm kinda leaning more towards the collapse theory)
Now the point of this thread is not for another "HARDCORE TIL I DIE!!!!1111" but rather, I want to know what you think the scene is headed?
Is it going to implode?
Is it going to keep on going?
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Comet
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 07:36:58
It's a repeat of 1999.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 07:43:53
In response to myself (I think another post is better suited than editing) I'd like to say this.
Its unfortunate that when it does come down to it, its all about sales. If you are a full time producer, you have to go with the flow or else you dont make sales and you dont get paid and then you dont get food which means you make less music and then you dont make sales and you dont get paid, ad infinitm..
Of course, there are the lads that manage to get away with a bit of innovation here and there (Gammer especially, along with CLSM), but in general sales are down, so the pressure is on to make better selling music.
Unfortunately, I think this puts even more pressure on not so established producers, who, if do not keep up with the trends will fall behind, not get signings/gigs and die like candles in a hurricane.
On the other hand, it might push people to be even more innovative to reach out to more people in the electronic music scene rather than just re-hashing the same old vibe.
Either way, I will still be writing tunes, and if I have to, I'll make a digital label and release them online. Maybe open up an online store where you can buy albums/cds. Hell, if it gets to that stage, you know something is wrong.
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Sean Apollo
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 07:50:16
I don't want to be all HTID eather but, Im gonig to stick with it. I think it might go threw a phase brining it down for a while.
I dont want to leave when it dies and come back when its big. Im not leaving fo rany reason.
I will still be doing my thing writing tunes, playing tunes and hoping the scene stays alive.
On the contrary, I also thing the oposite might happen. It might boom and the scene might explode.
Only time will tell, as of now im gonig to continue to do what I do until I cant do it anymore.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 08:02:24
I long for the day that its not about the "scene" but the artists. Much like aphex twin, squarepusher, BT, FatBoy Slim, and Linkin Park (just random names) have fans from all sorts of genres (if I could say that) that hardcore artists have fans that may not even like hardcore as a whole.
I guess thats when the scene is uber massive though 
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clarke101
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 08:50:49
Here are the list of problems i have?
DJ's are nearly all producers. (I know why before anybody tells me) Meaning they mainly push their music.(or label's music)
Most of the releases sound very similar and imo formulated
Over reliance on the Big boys. (Again I know why)
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 09:15:58
aphex twin, squarepusher, BT, FatBoy Slim, and Linkin Park
gotta admit though - all of these artists have dabbled openly in other genres of music - which has attracted other audiences to them, plus the fact that they all recive radio airplay in the states. its near impossible for the scene to BOOM over here due to the fact that it is getting no recognition from the media...and it wont - simply because of the rep the raves get...
thus, the "scene" in the states will probably more than likely remain the same, people dont really care what era the dance music is from, there at a rave to have a good time, and as long as the music is playing - they're happy.
so as far as america goes - i think its pretty much staying as is.
england on the other hand swings dance genres like no mans bussniss
and i think the radio does play a large part in it, i remember in the middle of 2000 trance just dropping off the face of radio one and all i could hear was garage after garage after garage...pop ting pop pop ting....poing poing..pop pop ting!
ugh
well, ive always seen hardcore in england going the way trance in 99 did, absolutly massive for a time...then it was suddenly the same old same old...and yeah there were new producers coming onto the scene...and the problem?....they were doing the same old same old too! then of course the fat cats picked up on it and boom - clubland was born!
i think its pretty unpredictable in england to be honest...i dont think its going to go downhill for a while though...and hey, what worked in 96 might work for 2006! bring back that old skool breakbeaty happy bonkers 1 bounce!!!
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Simon
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 09:16:14
No it's not like 99 for me, more like 92.
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 10:12:13
I reckon a shit load more people are getting into it... i know of quite a few people that never listened to hardcore that have purchased an album recently coz of advertising n stuff (not because of my influence for a change)...
Bigger n better... pickin up quite alot of n00bs on the way
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kathryn
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 10:39:11
quote:
Originally posted by Sean Apollo:
I don't want to be all HTID eather but, Im gonig to stick with it. I think it might go threw a phase brining it down for a while.
I dont want to leave when it dies and come back when its big. Im not leaving fo rany reason.
I will still be doing my thing writing tunes, playing tunes and hoping the scene stays alive.
On the contrary, I also thing the oposite might happen. It might boom and the scene might explode.
Only time will tell, as of now im gonig to continue to do what I do until I cant do it anymore.
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http://apollo.hardcoreforya.net
http://www.happyhardcore.com
North American Hardcore Movement
Addictive Vinyl
Empyre Records
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I am gonna stick to it to.
I also agree that some of the releases sound familiar like u know wots comin next its like de-ja-vous you've heard it before.
I will always by hardcore cd's if they have a good response from people and my collection will grow bigger over the years and it will be priceless 
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clarke101
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 10:41:10
^^^ What album would they pick up clubland (AATW tunes at higher bpm) or bonkers (Remix city) most likely.
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tha_cheek
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 12:40:10
Hardcores gonna get bigger, this website alone gets more and more members!!!! 
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B.C
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 12:40:14
I think it all depends on the big guns signing new artists to their labels, and actually releasing stuff in a fair amount of time. The ability to innovate is dying, and the big djs are responsible for that. I will be listening to hardcore as long as I enjoy it. I'm only really into SB, Gammer, CLSM at the mo.
Saying that, I took a look at the tracklist for hardcore tunez 3 and theres plenty unknowns on there, with plenty innovation. I just hope it gets plenty publicity in the UK.
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gobbo23
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 12:50:03
well to be honest, i don't have a bloody clue.
but i do have 2 points on the issue,
the fact that labels styles are formulated wont damage the image much imo. For example all house and trance music is very formulated and repetitive, but they are still very popular. The fact that you could simply go to another label to get a different style is a cedit to hardcore.
also in prevous upturns in the popularity of hardcore have been with the old super-happy bouncy hardcore. It had a very unique sound and its appeal could only reach so far. The hardcore style today has many different influences form other genres of music which will help keep the interest
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Mattikake
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 14:24:20
It's difficult to say exactly where hardcore is going at the moment with it's current revival (in the UK).
At the moment I'd say it's JUST popular enough to fill the, generally, monthly events that are held around the UK. I think a lot will depend on forth-coming events - like raverbaby 2, the next hardcore weekender and of course, Colossus.
It'll be interesting to see how full Colossus will be. If they get a full 40,000 ravers, then I think you can say it's got a good following again. The hardcore weekender wasn't packed, but that was the first one, it has a reputation to build yet.
All the DJs and MCs that I heard talking about the revival say it's as big as it was, but then, they would say that!
Hixxy wants to go commercial. You can tell by the mixes and tunes he produces as an obvious bridge between trance and hardcore. I also do hear hardcore played in a lot more car stereos than I remember (by a long way) as they drive past...
It also depends on how many new followers it picks up. I see a lot of people too young to be in to it from the start (like me). Also a lot is depending on new talent too.
In my (pretty vast) experience, I'd say it's more positive than negative, but seeing as it's gone underground before, you wonder how long the revival will last. It'll never die though. With the computer and internet technology around today I think there will always be enough amateur DJ, Producer and Raver support.
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SERA
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Posted - 2005/06/24 : 14:42:33
hmm i'll just quote the intro off bonkers x (i think) 
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hardcore is back, now they all want a piece of us. desperate magazines are making such a fuss! at last they seem to want to give us some credit, but once again i think we'll live to regret it. not so long ago to them we didn't exist, narrow minded views they printed they couldn't resist. trying so hard to slag and kill hardcore dead, but we've embaressed them by getting bigger instead! they still dont understand, that people like what they like, we're not all sheep that follow the commands that they write, they try to convince and dictatate whats cool, but we are hardcore and we dont live by this rule. when it suits they will try and destroy us once more, please dont forget the time that they tried it before. bring on there best, but dont forget the cry, hardcore will never die!
i dont really think its gonna collapse, might go quiet a bit but it will always come back.
really though, these things go in circles.
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