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jenks
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 Posted - 2006/09/09 : 13:37:31
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Originally posted by Underloop:
Upfront is your trancey raverbaby/Dougal and Gammer style sound. Also sometimes called UK Hardcore
For some reason everyone on this site seems to believe this but
UPFRONT IS NOT A SUB-GENRE!
He doesn't need to learn what upfront is he needs to know what it means. If a DJ says he's playing an upfront set he means he's playing his freshest tunes, the new or unreleased ones you might not of heard yet, it doesnt mean he's going to slap on a Raverbaby track. Sharkeys mix on B16 was upfront! So was Scotts! Upfront is NOT a genre/style of hardcore.
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Posted - 2006/09/09 : 15:17:05
It's all just music, you either like what you hear, or you don't!
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/09/09 : 16:19:44
This is going to be one of those topics that people will always disagree on. I remember when we were writing the genre descriptions for Live365.com there was so much argument over what each genre actually was. If you think finding a description for hardcore sub-genres is difficult, try defining "Techno" for a world-wide audience!
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2006/09/09 : 22:11:12
Nu Skool Happy Hardcore (UK Hardcore)-Hixxy, Styles, Dougal, Joey Riot, Seduction, Brisk & Ham, Scott Brown
Freeform Hardcore-Kevin Energy, Sharkey
Gabber-Scott Brown, Neophyte, Speed Freak
Those are really the only genres i know artist for.
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Nooney
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Posted - 2006/09/09 : 23:18:03
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It's all just music, you either like what you hear, or you don't!
Totally agree, everyone has their own style or preference.
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2006/09/10 : 09:36:58
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
Nu Skool Happy Hardcore (UK Hardcore)-Hixxy, Styles, Dougal, Joey Riot, Seduction, Brisk & Ham, Scott Brown
Freeform Hardcore-Kevin Energy, Sharkey
Gabber-Scott Brown, Neophyte, Speed Freak
Those are really the only genres i know artist for.
I wouldn't call sthe stuff by Hixxy, Styles and Breeze 'Happy hardcore' ten years ago they did make really 'Happy' stuff. I think the 'Upfront' sound really needs it's own sub genre name to put people's minds at rest! It is Hardcore Raverbaby make but it needs more of a long term name rather than just UK Hardcore as in ten years time we are going to see 'The best of UK Hardcore' CDs out in the shops and people would have to look back and think 'What was the name of the sub genre of Hardcore'
I have grown out of calling it 'Softcore' and would rather a specific name for it. Until then people are goping to call it Upfront, yet it is no more or less Upfront than the latest Freeform and Gabber are...
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/09/10 : 10:57:46
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by Underloop:
Upfront is your trancey raverbaby/Dougal and Gammer style sound. Also sometimes called UK Hardcore
For some reason everyone on this site seems to believe this but
UPFRONT IS NOT A SUB-GENRE!
The thing is, whilst I agree with you in principle, the name to a particular genre/sub-genre is defined by how the majority of people refer to it. As you said, everyone on the site believes it, therefore its a fair assumption that thats how people think of it :-)
I've already said tonnes of times before that I hate compartmentalising genres and sub-genres. As Simon says "put your hands on your head".... no, sorry, wrong game. Errrm, what he actually said was theres only stuff you like and stuff you don't, which is my view, but naming sub-genres is sometimes a necessary evil.
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Knightmare
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Posted - 2006/09/10 : 11:45:16
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Originally posted by Knightmare:
this thread is soooo full of sh!t...
i reckon a lotta that would be in my post why i wrote
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Anyway im not the best with sub genres, not been into the hard stuff long enough to have worked them all out so correct me if im wrong.
So aye mate if you could correct places i'm confused be appreciated, mosta those descriptions are just from what i've heard on certain mixes
well, for starters, frenchcore isn't so much distinguished by bpm or anything, it's more so defined by a certain vibe in it which is quite common to core coming from france. in general it's a more "no nonsence" vibe. the music is hard and dark, not too much atmospheric sounds in the background (some, but not many) and there is no pretence of being an anthem, no "hands in the air" ********.
the focus is not on making a "partytrack" like so many dutchies try to do but to make a piece of music that has power and goes deep enough to catch the listeners attention, if it happens to be dancefloorworthy then that's a plus :) (that's how it sounds to me in general anyways, there are exceptions of course)
Industrial hardcore in general is a lot slower than terror. the "industrial" in industrial hardcore is a great mistery to most ppl within the hardcore scene as to where it came from (but not to me). the Industrial actually came from the industrial music style (substyles incl. rythmic industrial, powernoise, whitenoise, power industrial, minimal industrial, hellektro, etc...) and some of the atmospheric elements and distortions of beats and bass have been copied from that style. Now in my opinion, there are only a few ppl who have truelly captured the art of making industrial hardcore and when they do they sometimes even step beyond the boundaries of hardcore and step into actual industrial (the line can be very thin, listen to some terrorfakt if you need to hear what I mean).
terror's just basicly very basic hardcore with a high bpm level
speedcore is it's faster and more aggro brother where as splittercore/extratone is the baddest mofo on the bpm-block
breakcore is more varied than you portrayed, you only described the harder side of it, there is also a more mellow side to it that's very similar to drum and bass except for the underlying kicks and somewhat seemingly out of place breaks. very nice to start the party with before you bring the mayhem :p
k, I'm done... for now *evil laugh*
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/09/10 : 11:50:44
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well, for starters, frenchcore isn't so much distinguished by bpm or anything, it's more so defined by a certain vibe in it which is quite common to core coming from france. in general it's a more "no nonsence" vibe. the music is hard and dark, not too much atmospheric sounds in the background (some, but not many) and there is no pretence of being an anthem, no "hands in the air" ********.
the focus is not on making a "partytrack" like so many dutchies try to do but to make a piece of music that has power and goes deep enough to catch the listeners attention, if it happens to be dancefloorworthy then that's a plus :) (that's how it sounds to me in general anyways, there are exceptions of course)
Industrial hardcore in general is a lot slower than terror. the "industrial" in industrial hardcore is a great mistery to most ppl within the hardcore scene as to where it came from (but not to me). the Industrial actually came from the industrial music style (substyles incl. rythmic industrial, powernoise, whitenoise, power industrial, minimal industrial, hellektro, etc...) and some of the atmospheric elements and distortions of beats and bass have been copied from that style. Now in my opinion, there are only a few ppl who have truelly captured the art of making industrial hardcore and when they do they sometimes even step beyond the boundaries of hardcore and step into actual industrial (the line can be very thin, listen to some terrorfakt if you need to hear what I mean).
terror's just basicly very basic hardcore with a high bpm level
speedcore is it's faster and more aggro brother where as splittercore/extratone is the baddest mofo on the bpm-block
breakcore is more varied than you portrayed, you only described the harder side of it, there is also a more mellow side to it that's very similar to drum and bass except for the underlying kicks and somewhat seemingly out of place breaks. very nice to start the party with before you bring the mayhem :p
k, I'm done... for now *evil laugh*
Respectos knightmare mate.
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listen to some terrorfakt
will do
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jenks
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Posted - 2006/09/10 : 16:37:08
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Originally posted by Underloop:
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by Underloop:
Upfront is your trancey raverbaby/Dougal and Gammer style sound. Also sometimes called UK Hardcore
For some reason everyone on this site seems to believe this but
UPFRONT IS NOT A SUB-GENRE!
The thing is, whilst I agree with you in principle, the name to a particular genre/sub-genre is defined by how the majority of people refer to it. As you said, everyone on the site believes it, therefore its a fair assumption that thats how people think of it :-)
I've already said tonnes of times before that I hate compartmentalising genres and sub-genres. As Simon says "put your hands on your head".... no, sorry, wrong game. Errrm, what he actually said was theres only stuff you like and stuff you don't, which is my view, but naming sub-genres is sometimes a necessary evil.
I wouldn't of mentioned it but when people from here start browsing ush etc and people start using words like 'upfront', anyone who is used to the definition alot of people on here use, aren't going to understand what they mean and might even start making a bit of a prat of themselves ;)
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/09/10 : 16:43:43
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Originally posted by jenks:
I wouldn't of mentioned it but when people from here start browsing ush etc and people start using words like 'upfront', anyone who is used to the definition alot of people on here use, aren't going to understand what they mean and might even start making a bit of a prat of themselves ;)
Fair point :-)
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Posted - 2006/09/10 : 16:57:15
Yawn!
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/09/10 : 20:59:48
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Yawn!
You miss your afternoon nap again DMS?
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Posted - 2006/09/10 : 22:34:42
Yes, i couldn't sleep for all these kids arguing about something pointless......
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Posted - 2006/09/10 : 23:16:55
If it wasn't for those pesky kids......
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