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Craig Switchback
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 Posted - 2008/01/07 : 09:25:38
Re-Con pushing the scene forward...hahaha, made me chuckle. Folk at the top aren't interested in Hardcore, it's all about making a fast buck, and **** the consequences. Some of the stuff i've been told recently is astonishing, but hardly surprising.
When the scene takes a dip, watch all them walk...and i hope they all do. Our music is plagued with people who just aren't interested in the music, it's future, helping new talents...as said, all about the mighty doller.
But anyway, for people pusing the music forward, try folk like;
Darwin
Al Storm
Fracus
Nu Foundation
Arkitech
Stormtrooper
Orbit1
Chaos
JAKAZiD
etc etc
The top-tier can go and **** themselves. *Rant over*
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DJ Mole
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 12:37:45
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Originally posted by Craig Switchback:
Re-Con pushing the scene forward...hahaha, made me chuckle. Folk at the top aren't interested in Hardcore, it's all about making a fast buck, and **** the consequences. Some of the stuff i've been told recently is astonishing, but hardly surprising.
When the scene takes a dip, watch all them walk...and i hope they all do. Our music is plagued with people who just aren't interested in the music, it's future, helping new talents...as said, all about the mighty doller.
But anyway, for people pusing the music forward, try folk like;
Darwin
Al Storm
Fracus
Nu Foundation
Arkitech
Stormtrooper
Orbit1
Chaos
JAKAZiD
etc etc
The top-tier can go and **** themselves. *Rant over*
Quoted for the natural truth.
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DJ Euphoric
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 12:55:56
The likes of Arkitech, Darwin, Luna C and Orbit1 are all better then Re-Con.
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Craig Switchback
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 13:01:40
Easily, and the fact that they care about the music, and it's future is also why they are better.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 13:25:57
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Originally posted by tru bass:
never liked re-con
90% of his songs dont have a tune to them..
its just moneycore he produces, not anything new..
moneycore? as in... someone trying to make money from their work? you're a ****ing joke.
Its already been established that theres **** all money in hardcore so i think its ****ing obnoxious for someone to say someone like re-con produces "moneycore" as an insult to him trying to make money from what he does as a living. Grow the **** up.
Besides: Baby i know you're mine, Bang 9, Pull over, The sun, right here, stab 'em... i mean dudde wtf LOVE COMES!? ****ing we can do this? enjoy?
Do you actually know what you're talking about AT ALL? that whole post was just shit.
90% of his tracks dont have a TUNE!? so your saying his tracks coonsisting of a chord progression, a riff, a bassline riff and pads doesnt have a TUNE? That doesnt even make SENSE!!!
Especially because he is responsible for some of the biggest rave anthems.... Pretty green eyes ring a bell? (albeit remixed to DEATH!)
It seems to me there are a lot of jaded ravers around a this time. So many people here expect Hardcore producers to not want to make money from something they do as a living... they expect Hardcore Producers to consistently outdo themselves and impress everyone with each new track, but then have that attitude that "How DARE they try to make any money from it!" ****ing makes me sick.
You can disagree with that all you want but it comes through in facts. Take filesharing (i know its been talked about to death) but it shows the attitude people have. Nobody is willing to pay for shit any more, and furthermore, some people dont believe they SHOULD get paid for it anymore. ****ing ********.
And people wonder why the scene is starting to go tits up. Psh.
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Craig Switchback
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 13:44:19
Firstly, there IS money to be made in the Hardcore scene, but that's only if your at the top. The rest struggle on 99% of the time, without breaking even most of the time.
Nobody is saying you don't have the right to make money from the music you produce, of course you ****ing do. However, when your actions result in people loosing money, and when you only care about making a fast buck...that's when the scene is in trouble.
The people at the top (as said) don't care about Hardcore. I aint going to go into all the ******** that is going on in this scene just now, but trust me when i say, it ****ing sucks big time.
The scene is going tits up because of the people at the top controlling everything. But then, i don't want to get into all the shit that's going on, so will say no more.
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novaboy
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 13:45:02
i agree with andrew
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Craig Switchback
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 13:49:42
>Especially because he is responsible for some of the biggest rave anthems.... Pretty green eyes ring a bell? (albeit remixed to DEATH!)<
Aye, and he was one of the culprits that was responsible for remixing it to death. Pffttt
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:02:07
I don't understand how you can say Re-con doesnt care about the Hardcore scene. Sorry, are you him? How the **** do you know?
I don't understand how anyone can say that without knowing their ****ing thoughts.
Even people that left when old skool died out and came back when new school came about - there are reasons apart from not caring about the scene to live. People have mouths to feed, bills to pay. Whos to say that they just couldnt afford it?
I ****ing hate ****s who make assumptions and shit.
And on that note - what the **** does re-con control in the hardcore scene? He doesnt run a ****ing label - how the **** is he responsible for other people losing out? How the **** is he responsible for other people LOSING money?
my god you talk shit.
And imo, he was the only one who was ALLOWED to remix it as much as he wants - its his ****ing track!
I cant tell you how many different mixes ive done of my own tracks that i wanted to keep jsut coz they were different. Just coz they werent released why is that any different?
**** you can tell you're not a producer. The scene going tits up because the people at the top are controlling everything? You serious?
**** you dont even know what you're tlaking about. SO next generation - one of the biggest labels in hardcore - went tits up because of "the people at the top" im assuming u mean RBC. How the **** does RBC have an effect on next generation like that?
I spose Amato distribution and Resist going tits up is RBC's fault too? Yeah sure man.
You talk shit with nothing to actually back it up.
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simdog
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:03:24
not that i really know much so don't cut me down and abuse me ( feel free to correct me if i'm wrong)
but i would have thought most of the money in hardcore would be in the raves. the cd's all come in 3 packs with 6 different people making it so they all need a cut, then there are production costs and on and on and a bunch of dickheads just going and downloading it even though they are the best value cd's out there, sure you wont like every song on the album but there are 50+ songs there for about $25aus. raves (i'm talking about the aussie rave scene and i am no expert) can have around 8000 people all paying $50-$100 for their tickets, i'm not sure how much it costs to put on a rave (not including paying the performers) but if all 8000 people got the cheapest possible tickets which they dont, most get the $70 ones there would be at least $500,000. i'm thinking there is quite a bit of money left over after the venue and set ep etc. have been payed for.
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Craig Switchback
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:09:34
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Originally posted by Influx:
I don't understand how you can say Re-con doesnt care about the Hardcore scene. Sorry, are you him? How the **** do you know?
I don't understand how anyone can say that without knowing their ****ing thoughts.
Even people that left when old skool died out and came back when new school came about - there are reasons apart from not caring about the scene to live. People have mouths to feed, bills to pay. Whos to say that they just couldnt afford it?
I ****ing hate ****s who make assumptions and shit.
And on that note - what the **** does re-con control in the hardcore scene? He doesnt run a ****ing label - how the **** is he responsible for other people losing out? How the **** is he responsible for other people LOSING money?
my god you talk shit.
And imo, he was the only one who was ALLOWED to remix it as much as he wants - its his ****ing track!
I cant tell you how many different mixes ive done of my own tracks that i wanted to keep jsut coz they were different. Just coz they werent released why is that any different?
**** you can tell you're not a producer.
How do i know he doesn't care about the scene...mmm, let me think...
He's never even heard of the Hardcore Underground compilation. One of the most critically aclimed compilations in recent times.
He loads his set's with Raverbaby.... i don't recall him playing tracks from up and coming producers. Just the same set (basically) all the time.
And "Pretty Green Eyes" isn't Re-Con's ****ing track you ****ing idiot!! It's Force & Styles' track, Re-Con remixed it. End of....
And the shit that comes from your mouth...dearly me....
And i never said it was entirly ReCons actions that were responsible for people loosing money did i?.
I said it was the people at the top.
And he does run a ****ing label...Moneky Bizniz..although, that may not be releasing records.
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Craig Switchback
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:11:59
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**** you can tell you're not a producer. The scene going tits up because the people at the top are controlling everything? You serious?<
YES I'M ****ING SERIOUS. Been following Hardcore since 91, and do know alot of the ins and outs that goes on. But clearly not enough to make you see sense....
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Craig Switchback
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:13:53
>SO next generation - one of the biggest labels in hardcore - went tits up because of "the people at the top" im assuming u mean RBC. How the **** does RBC have an effect on next generation like that<
And you say I don't know what i'm talking about...firstly NG hasn't went tits up, the new website is on its way with several new tracks on both labels.
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DJ Mole
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:16:51
The thing is here we can't even buy Re-Con tracks the money being made off his tracks is all due to Clubland sales Love Comes is only just released and even then its on Vinyl and then you have Cry does Hixxy even realise half the world who want it have it on 320kbps digital file why would you want the Vinyl, the reason Hixxy doesnt care about the music anymore lies in the fact he would rather sell these items firstly before even thinking about vinyl!
Calender's
Mousemats
Banner's
The way i see it get the MUSIC! out first then focus on shit like this, people in the end go to an HTID event for the music not to sit on the floor with a laptop with their mice hovering over an HTID mousemat.
Hardcore Til I Die not Mousemats Til I Die.
Rant over.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:33:49
So, because re-con has never released on HU2 - he doesnt care about hardcore?
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
He loads his sets up with raverybaby?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
How is that different from any other artist? He wasnt even the first person doing it.
Would you say scott brown, dougal, gammer, brisk and ham also dont care about the scene?
Albeit scott brown has agreed its a bit ridiculous but every artist does it man you cant blame that on one person.
And because of something that Hixxy does - it has nothing to do with Re-con unless Re-con actually had a hand in it. Which he ****ing doesnt!
Oh and a record label that releases no records - yep thats GOTTA be one of the reasons everyone else is struggling.
You dont know shit man and to tell you the truth im sick of even talking to ****ing jaded ravers. Theres no place in the scene for you. **** off.
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