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Craig Switchback
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 Posted - 2008/01/07 : 18:52:09
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Influx:
Especially because he is responsible for some of the biggest rave anthems.... Pretty green eyes ring a bell? (albeit remixed to DEATH!)
You can definitely tell a person has not been familiar with the hardcore scene very long when they make a mistake like that. Thank God someone corrected him cuz when i saw someone say that Re-Con is responsible for Pretty Green Eyes i was ready to kill. It's one of my favorite tracks and it ate me up inside when you said that.
Just so you know Pretty green Eyes is about 13 or more years old and originally by Force & Styles. It was already a huge hit way before Re-Con remixed it as Ultrabeat.
I did try and tell him that, but then i know **** all and am jaded. My 17 years of following this scene seems pointless when taking abuse like that heh. lol
And CDJay sums up my current mood well.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 19:31:19
dude i wasnt around for the old school happy hardcore days. So thats my bad... but thats how you learn isnt it?
I always just assumed he wrote it under Ultrabeat because normally a remix gives credit to the original writers whether as he was listed as the artist. Did he buy the copyright to the track or something?
And CDJay i never had a go at how hard you or Fracus have worked to do anything. Its pretty obvious you work hard. My point of that post was that if hardcore was more profitable then there would be a lot more variation because even if it sold BADLY commercially but still made a lot of people happy - then you can still live off making the tracks that are original and are very much "your own"
This was all over someone badmouthing Re-con and i think its gone WAY too far.
This totally isnt what the scene is meant to be about. Can we all just agree that we have differing views and leave it at that?
Im sorry that i made a misquote about the original pretty green eyes
Im sorry i offended you CDJay and Fracus - completely not intentional and credit where credit is due, you do bust your balls so props for that
Im sorry for calling people jaded and generally offending anyone.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 20:11:51
S'all good man, I don't think it's fair to single out Recon either ;)
TBH I think everyone is to blame for letting things get the way they are, I just hope that now it's got to this state that at least some of those capable take it upon themselves to rectify it.
PLUR all the way!
I might have sounded more agitated than I am, tbh I was just reciting the same thing I've been saying. Thing is; we recognised this problem about 1.5 years ago, and we've done what we think is right to redress the balance.... albeit in our limited capacities.
Hopefully 2008 is a good year, for us all.
It's certainly started off ok ;)
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Ghetto_smurf420
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 00:27:13
If you produce and dj are your sets not naturally going to wind up with your songs in them ..... you made them why wouldnt you spin it into your sets at the same time i agree with most of the other people the variety of record labels accumulated on a 3 cd compilation now is the equivalent of what youd have had on 1 cd in the past....
oh and hahaha to the guy who though Next Gen went under.....:S
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 05:35:13
Stop Dissing Re-Con!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AiXi1NuuVkQ
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Leto
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 06:25:21
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
Stop Dissing Re-Con!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AiXi1NuuVkQ
I heart this video. I'm presuming that's you, because you are from Atlanta...whether or not the southern accent is real, it's convincing.
Good work.
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ruroken
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 07:15:41
Haha that's great. In case anyone doesn't know that's a parody of this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LWSjUe0FyxQ
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lilbreezey
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 09:51:45
styles and breeze r better dan recon u little prick ave been and always will u nob
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Craig Switchback
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 10:49:32
Well thought out response. Well done.
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SixFeet
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 15:47:36
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Originally posted by lilbreezey:
styles and breeze r better dan recon u little prick ave been and always will u nob
You fail at life.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 16:08:15
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Originally posted by lilbreezey:
styles and breeze r better dan recon u little prick ave been and always will u nob
Welcome to the board. Great first post. Wkd, nice one.
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 17:17:03
Its dumb to argue who makes the best music - its a matter of taste.
Its also dumb to assume someone does or does not care about the music they make. You cant know for sure. Some people lovve the music more than anything and make crap. Others dont care at all, and make music that sells. Such is life.
What you can do is look at what they do with the music they make, and how they behave within the scene. Hixxy is a good example of someone who cares about the music very much, and gets crap for it. The reason he gets crap is because he is at the top, and unfortunately, the scene is so small that he pretty much dictates a lot of what happenss in it. This makes people unhappy, but I dont believe its malicious...its more an inevitable side effect of success.
However, certain labels and certain artists are compromised by their desire to make money. This is fine in most business's, but when it comes to the arts (music, painting, acting etc) it creates a break between the strength of the art versus the sellability of the art. This pollutes the arts, and makes it harder to tell what is genuine, and what isn't.
But this thread is about Re-Con pushing music forward, right? Well, I cant see it myself, though that doesn't make me right or wrong, its just an opinion. And for the record, I dont try to push the music in any direction, and I dont think I really push music forward. If I do, its accidental. I just make what I like and hope for the best lol...If anything, I am motivated by being bored of myself. Whatever I just did is not what I want to do next, if you see what I mean. But I wasn't always that way, I became more arty as I did more, and I learned from past mistakes.
Much of the music now is formulated, and so it is stagnant. Stagnation leads to rot, and to death. I know this, because Remix Records had a formula, unintentional at first, then intentional. I got bored, and so did the people buying it, and then it kinda died...and the label was sold on eventually.
But what I do see, and what annoys me, is artists who tow the party line getting the breaks, often without doing the time. The "buddy" system. Its shit, and does no good for the scene, IMO. Then again, perhaps I am just mad because my social skills are, err, crap. My mouth opens, words come out, people frown, that sort of thing...
In the end, there is only one test to see if someone in the scene is genuine or not. Are they still here when the money is gone? I think, within a year or two, we will see that very clearly...the next few years are going to be a disaster for those who rely on the money, and who are motivated by the money. Equally, the next few years will be wonderful for those who just love the music...the pheonix will rise from the ashes!
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 17:38:08
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
Its dumb to argue who makes the best music - its a matter of taste.
Its also dumb to assume someone does or does not care about the music they make. You cant know for sure. Some people lovve the music more than anything and make crap. Others dont care at all, and make music that sells. Such is life.
What you can do is look at what they do with the music they make, and how they behave within the scene. Hixxy is a good example of someone who cares about the music very much, and gets crap for it. The reason he gets crap is because he is at the top, and unfortunately, the scene is so small that he pretty much dictates a lot of what happenss in it. This makes people unhappy, but I dont believe its malicious...its more an inevitable side effect of success.
However, certain labels and certain artists are compromised by their desire to make money. This is fine in most business's, but when it comes to the arts (music, painting, acting etc) it creates a break between the strength of the art versus the sellability of the art. This pollutes the arts, and makes it harder to tell what is genuine, and what isn't.
But this thread is about Re-Con pushing music forward, right? Well, I cant see it myself, though that doesn't make me right or wrong, its just an opinion. And for the record, I dont try to push the music in any direction, and I dont think I really push music forward. If I do, its accidental. I just make what I like and hope for the best lol...If anything, I am motivated by being bored of myself. Whatever I just did is not what I want to do next, if you see what I mean. But I wasn't always that way, I became more arty as I did more, and I learned from past mistakes.
Much of the music now is formulated, and so it is stagnant. Stagnation leads to rot, and to death. I know this, because Remix Records had a formula, unintentional at first, then intentional. I got bored, and so did the people buying it, and then it kinda died...and the label was sold on eventually.
But what I do see, and what annoys me, is artists who tow the party line getting the breaks, often without doing the time. The "buddy" system. Its shit, and does no good for the scene, IMO. Then again, perhaps I am just mad because my social skills are, err, crap. My mouth opens, words come out, people frown, that sort of thing...
In the end, there is only one test to see if someone in the scene is genuine or not. Are they still here when the money is gone? I think, within a year or two, we will see that very clearly...the next few years are going to be a disaster for those who rely on the money, and who are motivated by the money. Equally, the next few years will be wonderful for those who just love the music...the pheonix will rise from the ashes!
Your a genious. I think you must be the most intelligeant person in the Hardcore scene, and that's regardless of making amazing music (which you do). It's something i've always thought but the more i read what you say the more it needs to be pointed out, just so you know.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 17:57:12
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
Equally, the next few years will be wonderful for those who just love the music...
Good.
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tommy_renegade
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Posted - 2008/01/08 : 18:12:30
unfortunately with hardcore the ones who are pushing the music forward in my eyes are the producers who are constantly overlooked and dont get a chance
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