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Future_Shock
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 Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:36:14
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Originally posted by DJ Mole:
The thing is here we can't even buy Re-Con tracks the money being made off his tracks is all due to Clubland sales Love Comes is only just released and even then its on Vinyl and then you have Cry does Hixxy even realise half the world who want it have it on 320kbps digital file why would you want the Vinyl, the reason Hixxy doesnt care about the music anymore lies in the fact he would rather sell these items firstly before even thinking about vinyl!
Calender's
Mousemats
Banner's
The way i see it get the MUSIC! out first then focus on shit like this, people in the end go to an HTID event for the music not to sit on the floor with a laptop with their mice hovering over an HTID mousemat.
Hardcore Til I Die not Mousemats Til I Die.
Rant over.
Yeah i agree with you man - but hixxy runs raverbaby not Re-con. I'll be one of the first people in line to be pissed off about Hixxy's ****ing laziness when it comes to releases but thats not Re-con's fault. So i dont see why HE is copping shit for it.
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DJ Mole
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:43:53
In the end when these guys fold we will still have what we like and Mr Influx i dont hate RBC infact i really rate Re-Cons older stuff even if i dont feel his new stuff, all we are saying is that shouldnt it be music that comes first before anything else?
Re-Con should break away and get releases out same with Styles & Breeze, and leave Hixxy with something to think about of course though the money pops up into things and they will not allow it.
Basically while Raverbaby have so much money they can produce shit like banners before records where as other labels dont even have enough to keep a constant flow of releases if Hixxy wanted he could have records out every month because Re-Con, Styles & Breeze stick by his side they play a part in his domination of the scene. All he needs to do is release Records it aint hard for him he just feels everything needs to come first, the question is.. "Why?"
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:47:27
I never said you hated RBC mate. I just saying its Hixxy's fault about the releases not Re-COn's so i dont see why he should cop shit for it.
Of course its about the music for me mate. Ive been producing for almost 2 years and post up tracks here whenever i finish them.
Its 100% about the music for me.
The measly advance for any music i have thats getting signed is nothing compared to the feeling i get when someone told me they digged the track. You cant even compare the two.
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DJ Euphoric
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:53:15
He has produced some good tunes alongside Squad E.
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DJ Mole
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 14:53:50
The reason % of people are annoyed though is that we do dig alot of the tracks and they dont come out :(
Re-Con produces for Raverbaby and pretty much Raverbaby alone if his tracks came out then he probably wouldnt get dug either. These guys should leave Raverbaby and start their own label they could still play for Raverbaby and if Hixxy gets them in a position to say your not making tunes for me your not playing for me either then they could start their own events they do HAVE enough money they have thousands where other better producers have hundreds.
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Craig Switchback
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 16:21:25
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Originally posted by Influx:
So, because re-con has never released on HU2 - he doesnt care about hardcore?
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
He loads his sets up with raverybaby?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
How is that different from any other artist? He wasnt even the first person doing it.
Would you say scott brown, dougal, gammer, brisk and ham also dont care about the scene?
Albeit scott brown has agreed its a bit ridiculous but every artist does it man you cant blame that on one person.
And because of something that Hixxy does - it has nothing to do with Re-con unless Re-con actually had a hand in it. Which he ****ing doesnt!
Oh and a record label that releases no records - yep thats GOTTA be one of the reasons everyone else is struggling.
You dont know shit man and to tell you the truth im sick of even talking to ****ing jaded ravers. Theres no place in the scene for you. **** off.
I never said anything about RELEASING on Hardcore Underground 2. Can't you read? I said if he's that interested in Hardcore, how come he aint heard of albums such as Hardcore Underground, how come he loads his set's (99%) of the time with Raverbaby. Tell me he doesn't then?
Suppose, all the raves that you must get to...
When does he play music from up and coming ARTISTS? It's alway's pretty much the same shit over and over again.
And it isn't just Re-Con. People like, Hixxy, Breeze, Styles, Sy, Dougal have been loading their set's from ages now.
And for somebody like YOU to tell me that i don't know shit....haha, i've forgotten more about this scene than you'll ever know.
But hey ho! you have your own views, i have mine...end of ****ing story.
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 16:27:52
Re-con does sum great tracks then throws it all away and goes to clubland xtreme! Sad:-(
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SixFeet
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 16:40:00
Posted this a while ago in another thread, thought it was appropriate.
"Hardcore is a niche within a small genre of music to start with. The possibility of making any proper money is abismally small. So when people get the chance to mix a CD on a major compilation they're just going to showcase as much of there own songs and labels songs as possible for advertising. Coupled with the fact that they'll stick to the same formula of making the music as to not run the risk of having a record that won't make them money you end up hearing very similar songs every album over and over.
Majority of the new interest in the music is from 15-16 year old chavs and they're surely not going to be buying the albums. I doubt many old hardcore fans are going to then be willing to shell out £15 for an album of repetitive stuff so sales are dropping.
Because of the very small profit margin in the music and peoples greed anything that doesn't fit the mold set will never get any advertisement or major play time on any commericial album ever. When was the last time on a Bonkers album you saw Hixxy wityh less than 75% Raverbaby material, or Scott Brown with less than 75% Scott Brown material?
The way hardcore is produced and advertised by the big name DJ's is very short sighted with the focus being on making as much money for themselves and **** the rest before it drops off the face of the earth again. Of course not all, just most.
So smaller producers are left to there own accord. Not being brought through, just left in obscurity to fend for themselves and try and muster up a little money through word-of-mouth advertising."
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 17:43:47
in saying that though... any small producer would do the same thing given the opportunity... If they were doing music full time - especially hardcore full time.
Then everyone gets pissy at them for doing that and more new producers come in bitching about how the big ones take it all for themselves.
Its a neverending cycle.
Its an underground genre, i doubt even hixxy is sitting there upon mountains of money. If the scene was more profitable, the scene would also have a lot mroe diversity.
Produce what you want and get $75 a track.
Produce what sells and get $500 per track.
If you have mouths to feed and bills to pay, it doesnt take a genius to see who would produce what.
But if the scene was a lot bigger and more profitable and the statistics were more like
Produce what you want and get $500 per track
Produce what sells and get $5000 per track
There would be a LOT more people releasing stuff thats original because its still profitable. Hardcore is going to ALWAYS have this problem, BECAUSE its a niche market.
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DJ Euphoric
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 17:46:50
Another one of his worse tracks Get Hard from CLXH3.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 18:19:42
I gotta say that Re-Con isn't pushin anything forward except his waist. His music goes off in tangents like "save the rave" and "to the bassline." I actually do like those tracks, but I don't consider it the new age of hardcore. Besides his best work is when he's Ultrabeat. Pretty green eyes and right here among others are some of his best tracks.
I gotta agree that if u wanna look 2 the future follow Darwin. He has a much bigger variety than Re-Con and his tracks really impress me. Now I wish he would come out with a long version of that DDR track Why Not he did!
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 18:25:27
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
I am also getting tired of people referring "Trancecore" to the 2000-2003 sound of Happy(UK) Hardcore! Trancecore was the name in 1997-1999 for what we call Freeform in today's time. Yall have been using Ishkur's guide too much.
What I'd like 2 know is when the hell did we decide to drop the "happy" from "hardcore"? I know the sound has changed alot and gone really trancy and that's because of it's name, but i'm kinda waiting for us to stick the happy back in there cuz alot of the tracks these days sound depressing sometimes.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 18:35:24
On topic: I don't actually really find most of Recons stuff to my personal taste, BUT I do think he's suprisingly clued up and interested in hardcore. He doesn't have to do it, the Scouse and Commercial stuff he does seems to do ok. ;)
"in saying that though... any small producer would do the same thing given the opportunity... If they were doing music full time - especially hardcore full time."
INCORRECT.
In fact, Fracus and I busted our ass pretty much solidly for over a year to get HU/HU2 out, and it cost me money I won't recoup. Darwin and Fracus BOTH do music full time, and whether or not the album is small or huge they have and always will scour the scene for material and artists that deserve the exposure. It makes for a better mix, it makes for a better album, and it makes for a better scene. Hell, the only reason there were that many Darwin tracks on HU2 was because we had a bunch of tracks pulled last minute and had to replace same day.
Loaded albums are pretty much the root cause of why the scene is in dire trouble, it's created an ever expanding divide between the "haves" and "have nots". Without any visible means of pushing the sound forward, or gaining any exposure at all, most people would have ( and will ) stop producing. Most of the mid-tier today are still writing because back in the days of "Hardcore 2" ( decadance ), it was possible for good material to get on an album. There were concerted efforts to support and encourage new talent. How times change.
Let's summarise:
Albums & DJ sets are loaded. The bigger events will only book the "biggest "DJs, and those other factors have effectively ensured no-one can raise their game. Smaller events display amazing invention, and mimick the big events, but with a few free/super cheap local DJs to pad the line-up.
Result? Scene goes kersplat. Anyone who can't see the writing on the wall at this point really needs to look back at 99. It's like that now, but it's far less excusable because the talent and material pool is huge, but just denied a platform on every level.
*shrugs*
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DJ Euphoric
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 18:36:25
As I said earlier in the thread Darwin is better the tracks he produces are simply class.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2008/01/07 : 18:39:21
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Originally posted by Influx:
Especially because he is responsible for some of the biggest rave anthems.... Pretty green eyes ring a bell? (albeit remixed to DEATH!)
You can definitely tell a person has not been familiar with the hardcore scene very long when they make a mistake like that. Thank God someone corrected him cuz when i saw someone say that Re-Con is responsible for Pretty Green Eyes i was ready to kill. It's one of my favorite tracks and it ate me up inside when you said that.
Just so you know Pretty green Eyes is about 13 or more years old and originally by Force & Styles. It was already a huge hit way before Re-Con remixed it as Ultrabeat.
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