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pinkdevil16
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 Posted - 2008/10/30 : 14:50:39
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
any time soon, the usual clique grandpas (dougal, sy, hixxy etc) are clinging on tight so they just churn out useless cd's. it's not helping the scene at all
it's time for that group of fools (and ok, they weren't fools in the 90s but they are now) to STEP A **** THE SIDE. let the kids take over.
wot how can you call and dougal, sy and hixxy granpas and fools they are some of the most talented producers the scene has not to mention the countless classics they have brought out losing them in my opinion would be like losing half of the hardcore scene
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 Posted - 2008/10/30 : 15:32:20
There aint nearly as many cds coming out atm as there were in 2006
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 15:59:40
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Originally posted by pinkdevil16:
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
any time soon, the usual clique grandpas (dougal, sy, hixxy etc) are clinging on tight so they just churn out useless cd's. it's not helping the scene at all
it's time for that group of fools (and ok, they weren't fools in the 90s but they are now) to STEP A **** THE SIDE. let the kids take over.
wot how can you call and dougal, sy and hixxy granpas and fools they are some of the most talented producers the scene has not to mention the countless classics they have brought out losing them in my opinion would be like losing half of the hardcore scene
hixxy 4 me is the worst producer and dj around and has been 4 a long time
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 18:39:17
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On wikipedia it said that DJ Kid, a Scottish breakbeat artist had objects thrown at him! I know until about 95 England was breakbeat, either Happy or Jungle/ DnB while Scotland it was 'Bouncy Techno' or Dutch Gabber. American artists had close ties with the Scottish/ Dutch scene as well so you had the likes of Lenny Dee playing at raves such as Rez! The only main place in Englad to play Scottish/ Dutch stuff on a large scale before 1995 was Newcastle where Rez began!
After 95 alot of English artists moved away from breakbeat towards the Scottish & Dutch trends but keeping it cheesy which is how Hardcore evolved alot through the 90s.
Im English (very southern) but chose the Scottish style as it is harder but there was alot of good English stuff at the same time, it gets to cheesy for me these days! I im getting into Dutch Gabber more & more (as far back as 1992!)
I think England owned the UK rave scene in the late '80s early '90s but Scotland toke over about 1995ish!
Btw, catjam, your mixes are good! Shame I was raving with you up in Scotland back in those days lol
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Thats right i forgot about the DJ KID Incident...I forget a lot of things,I wonder why..LOL
There were a few other incidents like that happend but never got reported anywhere,
Funny thing is i actuall liked some of the breakbeat stuff back then,
Bassy G/Technotrance & others played some breakbeat tracks in there sets..
But we just liked it in very small doses,Not all night..LOL
Glad you liked the sets smoogie..  Yeh its a shame you missed it up here at that time
No doubt you would have luvd it...I will always be into Gabber..
I might not listen to it as much as i did,But i always go back to it..
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Revs
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 19:09:47
Its very true that the hardcore scene has changed a lot in the past ten years.
On wikipedia it was written that people didnt like the 4/4 beats anymore, that it sounded weird or something like that, and thats the reason why artist changed the whole style of the music. i mean just look at some new tracks and compare them to some old tunes : new tracks à la "All about you" by scott brown already sound like Hard Dance/Trance, or something close, i dont say i dont like it, I love it, but its just completely different. what hapened with piano riffs ? they disapeared. Happy Hardcore consisted of Piano riffs, strong 4/4 beats, synths and a euphoric melody, the only thing that you still here in new tracks are the womans vocals and the happy melody. Artists changed the style of the music to keep up the scene, otherwise there wouldnt be any scene now.
Also on wikipedia they say that a lot of people have been complaining about new tracks, such as Styles' ones. And I agree. I think Styles is a great DJ, but his tracks are really repetitive. I mean just compare "Girlfriend", "Cutting Deep" and "Flashlight". And now imagine, the melody and lyrics in those 3 tracks were the same. You wouldn't notice a difference!
I don't think that the scene is gonna collapse, it just changed, that's all. And it becomes more and more popular, simply because it gets closer and closer to other genres.
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 19:23:58
cuttin' deep, flashlight and girlfriend have the same lyrics?
take another listen to all 3.... LOL
girlfriend is a cover, so on lyric matters u cant blame styles
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 19:54:22
I said IMAGINE that the 3 tracks have the same melody and lyrics, ok forget that with the lyrics, but if they had the same melody, there would be no difference.. they just sound like each other.
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 20:01:48
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I said IMAGINE that the 3 tracks have the same melody and lyrics, ok forget that with the lyrics, but if they had the same melody, there would be no difference.. they just sound like each other.
most tunes, infact all tunes would sound near enough the same with the same melody LOL
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sense_of_hardcore
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 20:11:22
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Well i got into hardcore in 1996 and in the next 3 years it kinda went to the toilet until we had "the death".
10 years on we have classics albums with the same tracks and 2007/2008 has been a slow year compared to 2005/2006 which were awesome for tracks/cds to be honest. I have to wonder i we are about to see a similar occurence within the scene creatively where producers hit a black hole. There have been a few things to suggest this and i hope it doesn't happen. I can't help but wonder tho
No I don't think hardcore will go through another coma like it did at the beginning of the new millenium, in fact the hardcore scene has become more commercialised now and has been modified to suit the style of dance music that has been popular in the last 6 years (mainly trance, hard dance and electro), back in the 90s the hardcore scene was more original and unique and maybe wasn't so well publicised.
Indeed 2007/2008 has been a slow period but I wonder if its got anything to do with certain record labels going bust and therefore certain compilation series like Bonkers have been affected, usually two Bonkers albums are issued per year but this year there has hardly been one issued although I hear AATW are in charge of the series.
I am a bit sceptical though of the direction hardcore is going as some tracks sound like the sort you'd find on a Clubland (normal - not the X-Treme Hardcore) compilation or AATW record but only sped up to around 170bpm. But there are still some very good tracks being made.
I've been following the scene for over 5 years now and at the time of buying my first hardcore CD, I found the music really exciting and every track seemed to be quality. But these days I'm not quite so excited when a new CD comes out, maybe its because the style of music has changed so much or maybe because my music tastes have been changing as I have grown older.
But anyway I think the hardcore scene will be fine mainly because what it has done since the new millenium (and even tried to do in 1999) is trying to adapt the music to suit a wider audience by merging hardcore with other popular styles of dance music and especially now you hear a few records that are influenced by the whole electro scene.
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 20:25:55
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Originally posted by Vladel:
Well i got into hardcore in 1996 and in the next 3 years it kinda went to the toilet until we had "the death".
10 years on we have classics albums with the same tracks and 2007/2008 has been a slow year compared to 2005/2006 which were awesome for tracks/cds to be honest. I have to wonder i we are about to see a similar occurence within the scene creatively where producers hit a black hole. There have been a few things to suggest this and i hope it doesn't happen. I can't help but wonder tho
No I don't think hardcore will go through another coma like it did at the beginning of the new millenium, in fact the hardcore scene has become more commercialised now and has been modified to suit the style of dance music that has been popular in the last 6 years (mainly trance, hard dance and electro), back in the 90s the hardcore scene was more original and unique and maybe wasn't so well publicised.
Indeed 2007/2008 has been a slow period but I wonder if its got anything to do with certain record labels going bust and therefore certain compilation series like Bonkers have been affected, usually two Bonkers albums are issued per year but this year there has hardly been one issued although I hear AATW are in charge of the series.
I am a bit sceptical though of the direction hardcore is going as some tracks sound like the sort you'd find on a Clubland (normal - not the X-Treme Hardcore) compilation or AATW record but only sped up to around 170bpm. But there are still some very good tracks being made.
I've been following the scene for over 5 years now and at the time of buying my first hardcore CD, I found the music really exciting and every track seemed to be quality. But these days I'm not quite so excited when a new CD comes out, maybe its because the style of music has changed so much or maybe because my music tastes have been changing as I have grown older.
But anyway I think the hardcore scene will be fine mainly because what it has done since the new millenium (and even tried to do in 1999) is trying to adapt the music to suit a wider audience by merging hardcore with other popular styles of dance music and especially now you hear a few records that are influenced by the whole electro scene.
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 20:39:14
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And now imagine, the melody and lyrics in those 3 tracks were the same. You wouldn't notice a difference!
Maybe that's because they've been produced by the same guy, fairly in the same period of time? There's nothing wrong with re-using his instruments to write a new song. Do you expect a guitarist/songwriter to get a new guitar for every song he writes?
Some series are going down, while some others are up and rising. I'm eagerly awaiting some news about the future of Bonkers, but the faith of Happy/UK Hardcore isn't only tied to Bonkers.
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 22:09:43
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Maybe that's because they've been produced by the same guy, fairly in the same period of time? There's nothing wrong with re-using his instruments to write a new song. Do you expect a guitarist/songwriter to get a new guitar for every song he writes?
lol no, I do that too, I know, but .. his songs are very identical. I'm not saying I don't like them, I love them, but still..
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Many dj's and producers are now claiming that the future of UK Hardcore lies in the emerging genre of Freeform, as many of the well known Happy Hardcore dj's like Darren Styles are starting to make much more commercial dance. Many people that have listened to Happy Hardcore since around 2002-present claim that much of the music that is being produced today is extremely repetitive, and they are looking for a change. As freeform lets producers express a lot more creativity it is a lot less repetitive.
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 22:22:52
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 23:00:07
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
any time soon, the usual clique grandpas (dougal, sy, hixxy etc) are clinging on tight so they just churn out useless cd's. it's not helping the scene at all
it's time for that group of fools (and ok, they weren't fools in the 90s but they are now) to STEP A **** THE SIDE. let the kids take over.
wot how can you call and dougal, sy and hixxy granpas and fools they are some of the most talented producers the scene has not to mention the countless classics they have brought out losing them in my opinion would be like losing half of the hardcore scene
i hate chiming into these discussions but i think you took the grandpa saying the wrong way. i think that 95 was meaning that they are old. which in fact they are advanced in age compared to some of the other djs playing.
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Posted - 2008/10/31 : 01:05:30
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And this is from wikipedia :
Many dj's and producers are now claiming that the future of UK Hardcore lies in the emerging genre of Freeform, as many of the well known Happy Hardcore dj's like Darren Styles are starting to make much more commercial dance. Many people that have listened to Happy Hardcore since around 2002-present claim that much of the music that is being produced today is extremely repetitive, and they are looking for a change. As freeform lets producers express a lot more creativity it is a lot less repetitive.
"Many dj's and producers", "Many people that have listened to Happy Hardcore", "Many people claim"... Those statements are blatantly subjective and have no real value. This text has no valid sources whatsoever, and the informations has clearly been pooped out of the mind of the person who wrote it, therefore not representing anything. I've seen that point of view everywhere on this website already, but then again this website doesn't represent the majority of Happy/UK Hardcore listeners either, despite its title. This is proof that you shouldn't take everything that's on wikipedia for granted (although I do it all the time for schoolwork! :P)
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