tru bass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,996 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/01/15 : 18:53:08
quote:Originally posted by simdog:
risk and consequences of doing something stupid when you're pissed is a hell of allot higher then the risk and consequences of being caught with a couple of pills.
oh and by the way. i didn't write the god comment. that was part of the youtube comment.
a bit of the old "hmmm, this is allot more fun then church. but god is supposed to be the best so this must be the devil. let's ban it."
depends what type of person you are when your pissed... you have to weigh up the pro's and con's..
i dont get agressive so i would rather drink whereas someone else might get really agressive so the would do drugs
Jackol Senior Member
United States
443 posts Joined: Nov, 2008
Posted - 2009/01/16 : 01:01:46
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
im all for legalising drugs even though i dont do them or condone them.
just because i dont do them or like them doesnt mean im going to stop someone else screwing themselves up.
im all for keeping them illegal.
we stoners would have nothing to bitch about if it were legal.
But in all seriousness, governments keep them illegal for three reasons ranked in order of importance:
1. Control. Governments do not recieve taxes for drugs, and if they were to be legalized, the prices would skyrocket. Also, goverments would want to control distribution, which would degradize quality.
2. Tradition. Drugs have been illegal for decades, no reason to suddenly change.
3. They're bad for you.
By keeping drugs illegal, the government keeps the most people safe, because DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS. That's the reality. If you really want to do them, you can find ways around, and you'll have to pay the price if you get caught.
Project-Industrial Advanced Member
Netherlands
2,481 posts Joined: Nov, 2005
33 hardcore releases
Posted - 2009/01/16 : 01:48:36
quote:Originally posted by tru bass:
quote:Originally posted by dj bugbear:
quote:Originally posted by tru bass:
Drink = legal
drugs = illegal
legal = no risk but lower enjoyement (possibly)
illegal = risk but higher enjoyement (possibly)
IMO drink..
get myself a crate of lager and put away the jimmies = better night for me!
thats bollox.... drugs in holland are legal.. means the drugs here cause less enjoyment? O.o ... nonsence really the legalisation of drugs lowers crime due to that it became legal in holland.. rest of the world should follow imo.. has nuffin to do wif enjoying or not
1. If youd have checked, i live in the UK
2. im not saying they are better cos they are illegal. im saying the general enjoyement of a night is probably higher on drugs..
3. yes drugs should be legal
was reaction on the enjoyment part not related to location but just to point out ;)
simdog Senior Member
Sweden
457 posts Joined: Dec, 2007
Posted - 2009/01/16 : 05:24:13
quote:Originally posted by Jackol:
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
im all for legalising drugs even though i dont do them or condone them.
just because i dont do them or like them doesnt mean im going to stop someone else screwing themselves up.
im all for keeping them illegal.
we stoners would have nothing to bitch about if it were legal.
But in all seriousness, governments keep them illegal for three reasons ranked in order of importance:
1. Control. Governments do not recieve taxes for drugs, and if they were to be legalized, the prices would skyrocket. Also, goverments would want to control distribution, which would degradize quality.
2. Tradition. Drugs have been illegal for decades, no reason to suddenly change.
3. They're bad for you.
By keeping drugs illegal, the government keeps the most people safe, because DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS. That's the reality. If you really want to do them, you can find ways around, and you'll have to pay the price if you get caught.
all your points are invalid.
1. if recreational drugs were legalized they would be heavily regulated and controlled by the government as is every other drug. prices would not skyrocket because drugs are cheap to make, they are expensive because they are illegal. if they stayed the same price but the government was making the drugs then all the profits go to them. they would also be of a very high quality and 100% pure
2. decades of ******** does not = tradition. humans have been taking drugs for thousands of years, why is that not tradition. in many places drug taking is tradition, south American shamans for example
if your parents beat you as a child, do you then beat your children because it's family tradition?
3. you are an idiot. sure some drugs are bad for you if you abuse them but it's not the drug thats bad it's the abuse and over use. if you eat 3 loaves of bread a day you will damage your body. does that make bread bad? or you an idiot?
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,640 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2009/01/16 : 11:35:27
i agree, those are some useless points, regardless of wether you think they are dangerous or not, you dont have the right to tell someone else what they do with their body.
just as you dont have the right to tell someone not to drink alcohol, or smoke cigarettes, or bunji jump, or skydive, or gamble, or cut themselves, or get a tatoo.
Ken Masters Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,447 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2009/01/16 : 14:22:31
quote:Originally posted by simdog:
there would be allot less problems with overdose and impuraties in the drugs aswell because the government could regulate production. the gov. would also make a **** load of coin by taxing recreational drugs
If the UK was too legalise drugs then i'd honestly lace up my boots & do a Nancy Sinatra to Oz or even America.
The reason the UK, America, Oz too name a few, are such super powers in the world is because they have put a stop to this before it got out of hand. The last thing we want in this world is everyone thinking its ok to take drugs because its legal!
I shudder to think what the UK would be like! Thats a scary thought!
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bulby_g Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,205 posts Joined: Apr, 2004
430 hardcore releases
Posted - 2009/01/16 : 15:17:43
quote:Originally posted by djkenmasters:
The reason the UK, America, Oz too name a few, are such super powers in the world is because they have put a stop to this before it got out of hand. The last thing we want in this world is everyone thinking its ok to take drugs because its legal!
I don't think that's got much to do with it mate. :P Certainly not what I was taught in history. haha.
Most of them were made illegal long after all those countries would have been considered super powers anyway.
Alcohol and Nicotine have been legally available in the country for donkeys and they haven't exactly crippled the country. They actually make up a huge chunk of tax for the government. Both are more harmful than lots of drugs that are currently illegal.
What're you doing to me Ken. You're gonna start me off in another power rant in a minute. :P ;)
PS. Will you do the dance anyways? Just for me. ;)
TheOneNOnly Advanced Member
United States
1,937 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2009/01/16 : 16:38:18
quote:Originally posted by bulby_g:
I don't think that's got much to do with it mate. :P Certainly not what I was taught in history. haha.
Most of them were made illegal long after all those countries would have been considered super powers anyway.
Alcohol and Nicotine have been legally available in the country for donkeys and they haven't exactly crippled the country. They actually make up a huge chunk of tax for the government. Both are more harmful than lots of drugs that are currently illegal.
What're you doing to me Ken. You're gonna start me off in another power rant in a minute. :P ;)
PS. Will you do the dance anyways? Just for me. ;)
I have one counter for nicotine though.
It doesn't alter your state of mind, it just destroys your lungs.
Any other drugs, like x, alcohol, weed, etc.. change your state of mind/how you would act in a situation. And doing them either way, and going to work gets you arrested and fired!
I don't have a problem with legalizing them. Honestly, I don't think legalizing them would stop anyone from doing it. The "cool" of having an ounce of weed in your pocket wouldn't exsist, but people would still be doing it the same, if not more.
But, but my family experience alone, I would dread having it legalized. Drugs have destroyed half my family, the other half by alcohol. From having to live through it, I don't do it, and I don't think others should do it. But, that's just what I went through and not others.
Maybe others don't over-abuse it, or maybe you do, either way I don't agree with it. But, I don't judge. You can do it, just hope you don't end up like most of my family. Dead, or in jail!
Alert moderatorEdited by - TheOneNOnly on 2009/01/16 16:38:57
bulby_g Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,205 posts Joined: Apr, 2004
430 hardcore releases
Posted - 2009/01/16 : 16:39:49
That's true. But I'd rather go through some rug paranoia than have to go through what happens when your heart and/or lungs give up. Smoking illness's are ****ing hardcore mate. They're also far more addictive than SOME of the illegal drugs out there.
I've seen people destroy their lives on most things too mate. Some of them were very close to me. People just let things take over them for various reasons. Most illegal drugs are the same as alcohol. I think they can be enjoyed responsibly but their needs to be some serious restraint on the users part. That obviously doesn't include Crystal Meth, Heroin etc. etc.
I think the most important thing about it all is that children are well educated in the dangers of each drug. This has to be proper education though. Not "drugs are bad mmkay".
quote:Originally posted by djkenmasters:
*Trying to resist retaliation!*
chappy_hardcore Senior Member
United Kingdom
284 posts Joined: Apr, 2006
Posted - 2009/01/17 : 00:31:40
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
ahaha there's been some funny posts from members in this thread (mainly Bulby and Jayowen) anywho, i'm a believer in a zero drugs policy myself. If the scene could take that and MC's out of it, i'd be much fonder of the scene. But realistically, that will never happen.
Jackol Senior Member
United States
443 posts Joined: Nov, 2008
Posted - 2009/01/17 : 05:06:25
pot should be legal.
people (including me) work high all the time, and they do fine.
but i think it's probably safer to keep other drugs illegal.
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