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silver
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 Posted - 2009/07/02 : 06:00:11
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Originally posted by Nav:
I seriously doubt that figure. It's probably more like 9% of artists in the USA, or less. The rest make music because they love making music or because they simply don't want to be affiliated with such a terrible organization.
85%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA
If you are sold on itunes or digital stores you are likely a member, 90% of all hardcore artists have publishers who would deal with MCPS (UK) which has agreements with the RIAA. The second you goto sell something you need a publisher to collect publishing royalties for you. Take a look at the fine print of any CD it will say "published by" next to it.
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Originally posted by Nav:
The major labels only release music that they know will sell. Music is a business, music is not art,
That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard.
The industry is a business, the music is an expression through art.
At the end of the day music belongs to the artist and they can do whatever they want with it. Whether sell it or give it away, it's upto the artist.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/07/02 : 13:59:39
A yes, and most art-tists actually earned a living?
The only ones that earned any money from paintings are the ones selling them after their death. We got a prime example now, How much do you think Micheal Jackons CDs will be sold now?
You can see it on the illegal sites now that alot of MJ downloads are among the most downloaded atm, thus the sales should be up to
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/07/02 : 15:19:54
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Originally posted by Samination:
A yes, and most art-tists actually earned a living?
Some actually do, yes.
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The only ones that earned any money from paintings are the ones selling them after their death.
Complete garbage. Clearly you don't go to many art galleries. There are places you can ALWAYS go to buy artwork.
Not only that but digital artwork now, too. A LOT of people make a living in digital design.
Tattoo artists are artists even. And yes, they ARE artists. ANyone who has sat down and had work will attest - what they do is an artform.
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We got a prime example now, How much do you think Micheal Jackons CDs will be sold now?
That's not specific to music, it happens with EVERYTHING anyone famous has EVER had.
They become collector's items. Michael Jackson is worth a LOT of money - he made hundreds of millions over his life in music. I fail to see where your argument is going?
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Originally posted by Samination:
You can see it on the illegal sites now that alot of MJ downloads are among the most downloaded atm, thus the sales should be up to
yes... and?
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/07/02 : 16:22:46
Ignorance is so annoying.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/07/02 : 16:25:09
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Ignorance is so annoying.
I'd say Ignorance is a blizz actually, because it seems to work for the industry ignores our pleas for better download services
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/07/02 : 16:26:00
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Ignorance is so annoying.
I'd say Ignorance is a blizz actually, because it seems to work for the industry ignores our pleas for better download services
At least get the saying right...
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/07/03 : 01:40:35
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Ignorance is so annoying.
how am i ignorant exactly?
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/07/03 : 04:08:43
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Ignorance is so annoying.
how am i ignorant exactly?
pretty sure he meant me
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Nav
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Posted - 2009/07/03 : 04:35:56
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Ignorance is so annoying.
how am i ignorant exactly?
pretty sure he meant me
Or me.
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whispering
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Posted - 2009/07/03 : 09:40:26
The problem with RIAA and similar organizations is that e.g. theres a minimum sum they pay. You dont sell a lot, you dont get anything, eventhough you should. Finnish artists that should get royalties from UK, rarely get them. Radio/club/bar play -> they rarely give tracklists -> small artists get nothing. RIAA's policies are made to serve big record companies.
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silver
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Posted - 2009/07/03 : 11:03:24
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Originally posted by whispering:
The problem with RIAA and similar organizations is that e.g. theres a minimum sum they pay. You dont sell a lot, you dont get anything, eventhough you should. Finnish artists that should get royalties from UK, rarely get them. Radio/club/bar play -> they rarely give tracklists -> small artists get nothing. RIAA's policies are made to serve big record companies.
You need to have a good publisher to collect your royalties, I got 70 pounds for a track that the BBC used in a documentary on chavs for a track I did back in 2006, it played for 5 seconds for something... my publisher collected it. Not alot of small bands know about publishers, if you don't have one the money wont magically make it too you.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/07/03 : 12:54:00
tbh Artists should be more into distrubotion aswell, as they would propably miss things like the example silver just mentioned.
and about RIAA, I hope their champagne or whatever they drink tastes good after Jamie had/have to pay them alot of money for 12 stinking tracks
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/07/03 : 15:50:43
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How much do you think Micheal Jackons CDs will be sold now?
Quite a few earn significant money for their efforts while they are still alive. blue poles comes to mind. sure the aritist may not have received its current value for it, but the artist is still alive.
Arguing the case using Michael Jackson isnt the easiest thing to do either, considering he had the most sold album ever, and that was before he died.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/07/03 : 21:18:00
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Originally posted by Samination:
How much do you think Micheal Jackons CDs will be sold now?
Quite a few earn significant money for their efforts while they are still alive. blue poles comes to mind. sure the aritist may not have received its current value for it, but the artist is still alive.
Arguing the case using Michael Jackson isnt the easiest thing to do either, considering he had the most sold album ever, and that was before he died.
True that, so that might have been a poor pick.
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feelthebuzz
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Posted - 2009/07/05 : 01:45:10
All my music comes from trackitdown. How do you people feel about that kind of stuff? Do the artists see any of that money I spend?
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