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__CMC__
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 Posted - 2009/06/21 : 13:45:09
i read fml daily! the other you mean is http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/ not quite as funny imo but still pretty good:)
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rosin007
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Posted - 2009/06/26 : 03:36:47
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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If 10 people originally would have bought it, 10 people will buy it. However, 10 more will download it, and a few of those will buy it too. Now 15 people have bought it. Piracy does not replace purchasing. It only adds to the number of people that purchase. Why? Because you can't pirate a record. You can only pirate a file that contains music.
no. If ten people bought it originally, only 5 will now (i say 5 not 1, because people that bought underground hardcore back then actually know the value of buying their music) and those five will download it, along with 10 more. Now that those people have the file, why would they other buying it? why would you pay for what you already have, even if you gain it illegitimately?
What about the new Spotify, you can listen to songs repeatedly. You don't download, but you listen for free. That compares to downloading, doesn't it? LEGAL infinte access. That is the EXACT same thing as downloading, only difference is that it isn't stored on your hd.
Excuse me if this has been said before. I couldn't be arsed to read through the whole topic in the middle of the night.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/06/26 : 09:21:18
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Originally posted by rosin007:
What about the new Spotify, you can listen to songs repeatedly. You don't download, but you listen for free. That compares to downloading, doesn't it? LEGAL infinte access. That is the EXACT same thing as downloading, only difference is that it isn't stored on your hd.
Excuse me if this has been said before. I couldn't be arsed to read through the whole topic in the middle of the night.
why drag in spotify into a hardcore filesharing thread?
Spotify doesn't exactly help this scene case since you can barely find any hardcore on it (unless it's AATW or MoS maybe)
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atomsk
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Posted - 2009/06/26 : 10:41:20
well bringing this topic back up
wouldnt youtube be doing the same thing as downloading?
you can go on there and get good sounds toons and not even download them
no money goes to the artist, and about 90% everyone on here uses youtube everyday
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silver
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Posted - 2009/06/26 : 11:49:25
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Originally posted by atomsk:
no money goes to the artist, and about 90% everyone on here uses youtube everyday
Actually youtube is licensed and pays content / copyright owners for every view, this is in addition to ad share revenue.
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Nav
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Posted - 2009/06/26 : 15:16:42
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Actually youtube is licensed and pays content / copyright owners for every view, this is in addition to ad share revenue.
Even when some random user decides to upload the complete track without the artist's permission?
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rosin007
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Posted - 2009/06/26 : 16:37:09
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by rosin007:
What about the new Spotify, you can listen to songs repeatedly. You don't download, but you listen for free. That compares to downloading, doesn't it? LEGAL infinte access. That is the EXACT same thing as downloading, only difference is that it isn't stored on your hd.
Excuse me if this has been said before. I couldn't be arsed to read through the whole topic in the middle of the night.
why drag in spotify into a hardcore filesharing thread?
Spotify doesn't exactly help this scene case since you can barely find any hardcore on it (unless it's AATW or MoS maybe)
This was not only about hardcore filesharing. You talked about stealing in general and downloading movies and music. Someone even started on with an example of a garage. So don't take that tone.
I have only found(and looked for) Dune and Prodigy. Not found any new stuff yet.
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Quicksilver
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Posted - 2009/06/26 : 21:41:45
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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"What if they had never heard of it aside from that download?"
Thats invalid anyway. People dont just download something with no idea what it is. They download something because they have heard some, liked it, and want more. hence, they have heard some already, and instead of going to a cd store to listen to it FIRST. they download it instead and then dont pay for it.
Just had to chime in and comment on this.
You're wrong, Lilley. I have many times downloaded something I had no clue what it was (except maybe only the genre) and liked it. I have discovered many of my favourite bands/artist this way and it has lead to me buying some of their stuff.
So there.
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atomsk
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Posted - 2009/06/26 : 23:17:21
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Originally posted by silver:
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Originally posted by atomsk:
no money goes to the artist, and about 90% everyone on here uses youtube everyday
Actually youtube is licensed and pays content / copyright owners for every view, this is in addition to ad share revenue.
just what nav said, if you put in almost any famous you find songs uped by someone who dose not own them, and the person who uped it isnt licensed nor pays for it, all they have to do is tag the name of the song.... so how dose that pay for it ?
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2009/06/26 : 23:31:34
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Originally posted by atomsk:
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Originally posted by silver:
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Originally posted by atomsk:
no money goes to the artist, and about 90% everyone on here uses youtube everyday
Actually youtube is licensed and pays content / copyright owners for every view, this is in addition to ad share revenue.
just what nav said, if you put in almost any famous you find songs uped by someone who dose not own them, and the person who uped it isnt licensed nor pays for it, all they have to do is tag the name of the song.... so how dose that pay for it ?
youtube is lisences to broadcast.. uploading is users responsibility.. and u can help youtube stop filesharing by reporting video's :) its not youtube whos wrong .. its the users :)
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/06/27 : 12:12:18
rosin, I didnt intend to sound harsh, but since Im not english, I thought you'd understand I can't formulate words without making it sounding harsh or not. But since most of the replies against filesharing was hardcore-related, I thought that Spotify wouldnt help them much in this case.
this question is abit offtopic, but who can uplaod their tunes onto spotify?
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rosin007
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Posted - 2009/06/27 : 12:31:38
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rosin, I didnt intend to sound harsh, but since Im not english, I thought you'd understand I can't formulate words without making it sounding harsh or not. But since most of the replies against filesharing was hardcore-related, I thought that Spotify wouldnt help them much in this case.
this question is abit offtopic, but who can uplaod their tunes onto spotify?
Didn't sounds harsh at all. If the discussion after page 2 was more hardcore related than those two, I understand.
A retorical question?
If it's a real question, I got to admit, I don't know. Most likely not.
If labels talk to the Spotify crew or the Spotify crew talk to them, they can probably get their music in the database. Not many artist are up yet.
Hixxy has one remix. Styles has one. Dougal and gammer has a tune that is remixed a few times and there's a lot of Dune and Prodigy.
I assume you knew this.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/06/27 : 16:00:28
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
Now to this post:
"What if they had never heard of it aside from that download?"
Thats invalid anyway. People dont just download something with no idea what it is. They download something because they have heard some, liked it, and want more. hence, they have heard some already, and instead of going to a cd store to listen to it FIRST. they download it instead and then dont pay for it.
Just had to chime in and comment on this.
You're wrong, Lilley. I have many times downloaded something I had no clue what it was (except maybe only the genre) and liked it. I have discovered many of my favourite bands/artist this way and it has lead to me buying some of their stuff.
So there.
ok, why did you download it then, if you had no idea what it was? thats just downloading for the sake of downloading. Pretty stupid if you ask me...
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Fishy
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Posted - 2009/06/27 : 16:31:47
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
Now to this post:
"What if they had never heard of it aside from that download?"
Thats invalid anyway. People dont just download something with no idea what it is. They download something because they have heard some, liked it, and want more. hence, they have heard some already, and instead of going to a cd store to listen to it FIRST. they download it instead and then dont pay for it.
Just had to chime in and comment on this.
You're wrong, Lilley. I have many times downloaded something I had no clue what it was (except maybe only the genre) and liked it. I have discovered many of my favourite bands/artist this way and it has lead to me buying some of their stuff.
So there.
ok, why did you download it then, if you had no idea what it was? thats just downloading for the sake of downloading. Pretty stupid if you ask me...
maybe for the sake of exploring music?? 
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Quicksilver
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Posted - 2009/06/27 : 17:40:00
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Originally posted by Fishy:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
Now to this post:
"What if they had never heard of it aside from that download?"
Thats invalid anyway. People dont just download something with no idea what it is. They download something because they have heard some, liked it, and want more. hence, they have heard some already, and instead of going to a cd store to listen to it FIRST. they download it instead and then dont pay for it.
Just had to chime in and comment on this.
You're wrong, Lilley. I have many times downloaded something I had no clue what it was (except maybe only the genre) and liked it. I have discovered many of my favourite bands/artist this way and it has lead to me buying some of their stuff.
So there.
ok, why did you download it then, if you had no idea what it was? thats just downloading for the sake of downloading. Pretty stupid if you ask me...
maybe for the sake of exploring music??
Exactly.
I love music, there's not many musical genres I don't like, and doing this has helped me discover tons of music I probably wouldn't have discovered earlier. If I love what I hear, I'll buy. I admit I don't buy many Hardcore compilations (but 80% of the tracks I use in my mixes are bought, if available digitally - otherwise I'll download a vinyl rip and the label has only itself to blame there for not doing something so simple as putting it out as a 320kbs mp3 for £1,49 on online stores) because I don't know any store in Sweden that sells Hardcore (maybe in Stockholm, but that's 4 hours away and I am not going to buy a train ticket for double the money of the compilation cost :P) and if I were to import every already expensive album I'd be broke pretty fast.
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