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warped_candykid
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 Posted - 2009/06/18 : 16:42:24
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Originally posted by atomsk:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
No matter how you look at it, it's dishonest and there is nothing anyone can say to change that so there isn't really much point in trying. It dosn't matter even if record labels weren't effected by it, it dosn't change the dishonesty of it.
You can go ahead and do it, just don't pretend it's not wrong because it is.
but isnt it wrong of the labels to charge so much for the songs?
look at apple ipods.... they make 120gig ipods, how can anyone fill that will legal stuff?
i did some math for it for a school thing once
$0.99 for a song
1 gig of space is about 120 songs
so 120 gigs of music is about 14400 songs
at $0.99 a song for about 14400 songs is, $14,256(us) thats a new car.....
how could you fill that with legal stuff?
i dont think its right to download the stuff and make copys of it for people, as i said if you want the real cd to show for it then you should, but its to much money for it
thats just my thoughts
I work 3 days a week at $7 an hour. I have to drive nearly 2 hours to and from my job, and the money has to be last me 2 weeks. At the moment, I have 7 cds filled with 14 full-length tracks, and the 8th cd has 15...All PAID for off serioussounds & imodownload. What makes you think you need to fill your ipod up all at once? Because your friends have theirs filled up with ilegally downloaded music? The music industry is a business just like everything else.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 17:25:01
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Originally posted by atomsk:
wow this is kinda getting out of hand, why do you need to bring killing people, hitler, god/jesus, witch's/ect, all into this?
i kinda feels like you are attacking a few people on this(mainly nav getting attacked)
this wasnt ment to be a hate fest, i was just wandering what peoples opinion was...
i hope this discussion doesn't go on this badlyanymore, i dont want to have this locked, just please stop flaming people
heres a movie you guys should watch about file sharing, i seen it a few months back, need to re-see it, its free cuz thats what they wanted it to be....
http://www.goodcopybadcopy.net/
Steal This Movie II :)
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atomsk
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 17:37:38
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Originally posted by Samination:
Steal This Movie II :)
dude thanks
forgot to see that movie =D
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gAnDo
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 20:01:29
Cmon....
We download cos we dont want to pay for it. End of. People have good reasons why not to, but at the end of the day its all the same.
As for how much we would buy if we didnt download? Hmmm. Thats a harder question.
Personally, I dont really download much now, but in the past I paid for quite a few CD's and vinyls but definetely downloaded more. Mostly now I just go to hardcore nights or concerts etc.
I like (and hope!) to think artists/djs profit more from gigs than albums which the labels (alledgedly) take 80/90 percent of profit.
Times are changing. Distribution methods need to be changed and they will be. Labels need to see the light or else they will be left behind. (admittedly some have)
Trackers wont be about for much longer either... Your anti piracy people are going to move on to new territory very soon. 1 click hosting is the way its going now.
Whats my opinion on filesharing? Its ok. I grew up copying tapes between friends, something that never gets talked about anymore. People never buy stuff unless they really have to and the digital age has made it SO much easier.
People will always share, its human nature. Its not going to stop and pointless threads like this no doubt started by 13 years olds arent going to make any difference.
I dont have the answer and to be honest I dont care. Good luck to yous. I garuntee you Il have gave up with the net long before any answers to digital piracy comes along.
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Rayovac
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Posted - 2009/06/19 : 22:33:48
What annoys me are producers and labels that don't release digitally while claiming the reason as trying to "avoid piracy." Apparently they don't realize that there are people who can easily just rip the vinyls to the net (might I also note, there are groups of people who do this). All it really does is make it harder on legal buyers. What about the people who don't have a record player? What about people who would rather spend around $3 on a digital release than $30 on a vinyl? etc. I mean, it's bound to end up being fileshared at some point. Even unreleased tunes tend to appear online a lot.
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Originally posted by gAnDo:
I like (and hope!) to think artists/djs profit more from gigs than albums which the labels (alledgedly) take 80/90 percent of profit.
That's only the major DJs. The lesser known/less popular tend to make a lot less. And then of course there are producers that don't DJ at all.
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2009/06/20 : 01:55:47
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What annoys me are producers and labels that don't release digitally while claiming the reason as trying to "avoid piracy." Apparently they don't realize that there are people who can easily just rip the vinyls to the net (might I also note, there are groups of people who do this). All it really does is make it harder on legal buyers. What about the people who don't have a record player? What about people who would rather spend around $3 on a digital release than $30 on a vinyl? etc. I mean, it's bound to end up being fileshared at some point. Even unreleased tunes tend to appear online a lot.
Vinyl Rips sound like crap, when you compare them to a clean digital master. You can tell the difference between the 2. Yeah alot of people dont have vinyl turntables these days, CDjays are just os much easier. Easier to learn, and much more convenient. Also, what do you mean a 30 dollar vinyl hehe ? Was the vinyl made out of gold or something? :P
Yeah the thing that ultimately shits me is "Zero day filesharing".. Which is basically when a promo gets leaked.. I feel incredibly sorry for the labels and producers.. Luckily any of my labels material has never been leaked before release date , i'm very careful who i give material to.
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Nav
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Posted - 2009/06/20 : 02:49:46
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
Vinyl Rips sound like crap, when you compare them to a clean digital master. You can tell the difference between the 2. Yeah alot of people dont have vinyl turntables these days, CDjays are just os much easier. Easier to learn, and much more convenient. Also, what do you mean a 30 dollar vinyl hehe ? Was the vinyl made out of gold or something? :P
Agreed there. Vinyl rips are crap, so technically it is one of the only truly working counters to filesharing. However, if the turntable is good enough and you can boost the high end up a bit, it will sound basically the same as a digi for all intents and purposes EXCEPT actual club play.
Also, note that he said "dollars." I assume that means he's from the USA, where we pay huge conversion fees, and then have to ship overseas (which usually costs more than the record itself). It adds up to ~$8 for the record (5 pounds) and another ~$8 for shipping (5 more pounds), for a total of $16, which is (imo) a lot for a slab of vinyl.
The alternative would be to buy the record in a store, however the USA hates UK Hardcore and it's nearly impossible to find any dance music around here that isn't either hiphop or commercial shite. And when I say "commercial," I don't mean Darren Styles. I mean Tiesto and Daft Punk. Anything beyond that is just "another techno album" here in America.
Note that America to me = the East Coast. Things are a little different in California, which is on the West Coast, but not THAT different.
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
Yeah the thing that ultimately shits me is "Zero day filesharing".. Which is basically when a promo gets leaked.. I feel incredibly sorry for the labels and producers.. Luckily any of my labels material has never been leaked before release date , i'm very careful who i give material to.
That's not a 0-day release, that's a promo/advance copy, and they NEVER happens in Hardcore. It's usually only with the big RIAA stupid labels where people grab copies off the production lines.
However, 0-day releases, which is music released illegally the day that the actual music was released, is common for much music, but rarely for Hardcore. I'm pretty sure that Hardcore takes quite a while on average to get to the "average pirate" after it's been released, with quite a while being a few weeks at least, with the majority of releases never being available to the public. Hardcore piracy, at least in the view of the majority of Hardcore fans, is simply much less common due to how the system itself is set up. The exceptions are big CD releases, which are almost always out within the day due to the hype built around them weeks/months before they're released.
The majority of sites don't even usually carry Hardcore, as Hardcore is based around single releases from labels rather than albums. I'd go so far as to say that other genres are hurt much more by piracy than Hardcore, simply due to the structure of the genres themselves. Hardcore is a much "tighter" group, though, so maybe the effects are more noticeable on average.
See guys, I'm trying to actually help out the discussion now rather than simply disagreeing. I'm going to remain neutral for the rest of this thread, speaking only based on what can be determined from facts that I know, leaving personal bias out of it (for the most part). That's not to say I can't talk from experience, as I did during the first paragraph, it's just that I'm going to try not to incite more arguments.
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Rayovac
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Posted - 2009/06/20 : 05:20:37
A bit off topic, but I actually tend to favor good vinyl rips over digital.  Unless, of course, the digital file is in a lossless format. I'm a semi-audiophile I suppose? The "hissing" sound from most MP3s annoys me a little bit. I can barely stand anything under 128kbps as well.
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Originally posted by Nav:
Also, note that he said "dollars." I assume that means he's from the USA, where we pay huge conversion fees, and then have to ship overseas (which usually costs more than the record itself). It adds up to ~$8 for the record (5 pounds) and another ~$8 for shipping (5 more pounds), for a total of $16, which is (imo) a lot for a slab of vinyl.
The alternative would be to buy the record in a store, however the USA hates UK Hardcore and it's nearly impossible to find any dance music around here that isn't either hiphop or commercial shite. And when I say "commercial," I don't mean Darren Styles. I mean Tiesto and Daft Punk. Anything beyond that is just "another techno album" here in America.
Oui, you hit that on the spot. At least older vinyls off places like discogs and ebay tend to cost a lot less.
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
Yeah the thing that ultimately shits me is "Zero day filesharing".. Which is basically when a promo gets leaked.. I feel incredibly sorry for the labels and producers.. Luckily any of my labels material has never been leaked before release date , i'm very careful who i give material to.
That's not a 0-day release, that's a promo/advance copy, and they NEVER happens in Hardcore. It's usually only with the big RIAA stupid labels where people grab copies off the production lines.
I beg to differ, actually. Just as an example, do a google search for a tune like dealer or rudloe, links show up. It's sad. It's obviously not limited to just those two.
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2009/06/20 : 09:40:18
Nav.
A), You can't polish a vinyl rip to sound like a digital master. Vinyl rips sound crap and are mastered way differently..
B), Of course theres such thing as 0 day fileshairng... Anything that's leaked before the release date is ..
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Nav
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Posted - 2009/06/20 : 12:47:01
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
Nav.
A), You can't polish a vinyl rip to sound like a digital master. Vinyl rips sound crap and are mastered way differently..
B), Of course theres such thing as 0 day fileshairng... Anything that's leaked before the release date is ..
A) I said it will compare for listening purposes, but not in club play.
B) I said that it existed. However, 0-day isn't before the release date, it's ON the release date.
And what happens with Hardcore when it comes to promos/advances is that people usually make an edit of a track from a compilation and call it a "promo." And I digress: Actual promo/advance copies have happened in the past, but they are more common in other genres.
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/06/20 : 14:19:43
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Originally posted by C Cell:
A bit off topic, but I actually tend to favor good vinyl rips over digital. Unless, of course, the digital file is in a lossless format. I'm a semi-audiophile I suppose? The "hissing" sound from most MP3s annoys me a little bit. I can barely stand anything under 128kbps as well.
It's a little off-topic, but not really.
I agree with what was said here, as in a lot of data in a MP3 is really lost and filled in. I hate that hissing sound, and sometimes the "bubbling" sound of some MP3's played. It sounds absolutely HORRIBLE and I can't stand it.
And what is worse is that a lot of people I know still listen to those horrible MP3's simply because it was free and they can handle that shiat. A lot of the illegally downloaded crap (Off Limewire, and other programs of sort) sound like crap; but the people who download them find it's okay.
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choonland
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Posted - 2009/06/21 : 07:16:42
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Steal This Movie II :)
very interesting, I've been reading also about Creative Commons and is very interesting indeed, as they say its really a cultural change what is going on.
I agree producers should be paid for their work, but the fact is that there are thousands of people around the globe who are making music, and they are not interested in getting paid, they make music because they love it, is their way of expression, and theres a lot of very talented people out there. being heard is more important than anything else, in the end thats the whole point of any artistic and creative activity: that your message reaches to others...
ok, maybe the sound quality will be lower, but the musical quality will be the same or better, I mean you can have the best equipment, and be the best engineer, but if you dont have the magic... forget about it
I'm not talking about whether filesharing copyrighted files is god or bad, but about ACTUAL FREE MUSIC and how it can beat commercial establishments
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Posted - 2009/06/21 : 09:52:35
persoanally I would avoid movies like steal this movie, it just had multimillionaires like radiohead and NIN ranting how people should get there stuff for free as they are already RICH.
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Posted - 2009/06/21 : 10:16:21
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I work 3 days a week at $7 an hour. I have to drive nearly 2 hours to and from my job, and the money has to be last me 2 weeks.
Wrong website mate should be posting that on http://www.fmylife.com/
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Posted - 2009/06/21 : 12:51:39
that site is class. alsofunny is something like txt's from last night (cant remember the name properly)
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