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DJ Fracus
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 2009/08/07 : 00:20:12
A sad indictment of how little things have changed really, and how by and large, people choose not to bother seeking out good music. Jon Doe's contribution to Hardcore has been immeasureable, and I'm very sad that we weren't able to do more to support someone who, simply put, deserves SO much better than this. Just listen to 'Wastelands (CLSM Remix)' as soon as you've read this post, then go and listen to 'Takes You Higher', then 'Pressure Rush' and so on. Try to comprehend just how much of a loss this is to Hardcore. It actually makes me want to cry.
There's a staggering lack of support shown for people like Jon Doe. He managed to be innovative with almost every Hardcore record he wrote, he managed to push boundaries, to be interesting, to release music that made people like me wish they had more balls EVERYTIME they went into the studio. Thats what puzzles me. Listen to the music, that's what its about! Not what your mates say you should be listening to, or whats easiest to download from <insert one of 10 billion filesharing sites>. If you're into Hardcore, how can you not be into CLSM too? Why would you not want to hear that music live or support that act?
I hope CLSM isn't a name consigned to Hardcore's past, whilst we're still here we will do what we can to support in the future. But HU isn't enough, not nearly enough. When people like JD can no longer emotionally (nevermind financially) justify making Hardcore, you know something is seriously seriously wrong. It just has to change, before we all drown in a sea of fileshared 'Set You Free' bootlegs made on a Fruity Loops crack.
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Edited by - DJ Fracus on 2009/08/07 00:28:51 |
Oli G
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 01:48:57
"Most" peoples almost absolute refusal to seek out new artists and different music is an absolute crime to "Most" of the people who make it, maybe other sub genres of electronic music have people who are more willing to seek out the different and the innovative.
This isn't just Hardcore's problem however, its the same reason why 99% of people (86% of statistics are made up on the spot) are fine and dandy listening to generic radio stations, to a playlist created by businessmen, not by artists and music lovers.
The general public and "Most" people are thoughtless sheep who are almost too scared to seek out something else for fear of it wasting their time, or another stupid excuse.
Massive shame that CLSM will be taking a step back from hardcore, im sure he loves everything he produces, but its so hard to pour time and effort into music when you get no response back, it is a feedback driven thing.
In the words of a great modern poet... "DOH!"
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Edited by - Oli G on 2009/08/07 01:49:35 |
xMx
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 01:58:27
"Has anybody seen, the staaaate we're in... can anyone believe.. the liiiiies between, has anybody seen, the staaaate we're in, as we all lose our way in the waaastelaaaand."
We should have all just heeded the Chavbots warning to keep away from those CD packs. : |
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lozowen
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 02:05:07
a sad sad day.
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Bonkers4Life
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 02:06:51
Hardcore should be the....no IT IS....the best electronic genre out there.
Djs shouldnt be ditching it....Djs Should be joining it.
I think if all Djs were to play Hardcore, they would be more famous.
just my opinion
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 03:46:31
quote:
Originally posted by Bonkers4Life:
Hardcore should be the....no IT IS....the best electronic genre out there.
Djs shouldnt be ditching it....Djs Should be joining it.
I think if all Djs were to play Hardcore, they would be more famous.
just my opinion
erm...
so you think tiesto would be more famous making hc rather then his cheap trance?
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DarrenJ
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 05:13:14
im still waiting for no barriers to be released :O
anyway this happened a few years ago, they said no more PA.
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Edited by - DarrenJ on 2009/08/07 05:13:51 |
Warp-9
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 05:54:35
going back to Scott Brown, i just think the simple reason he aint releasing anything on his label at the moment is that he aint on any compilations whether it be his own CD on a compilation or his material on other djs cds (which for the latter hardly ever happens these days) and thats the best way that he can get the most people to hear his new material. now i reckon until this happens he wont be releasing anything anytime soon so simple get the man on a compilation!
*waits patiently*
the only news i have heard recently regarding listening to any new releases from him is that hes on the list to be one of the guest djs on brisk & fracus's next gen podcast
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Jackol
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United States
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 07:49:44
****! Hardcore is falling apart in front of my eyes.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 09:18:20
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Originally posted by Jackol:
****! Hardcore is falling apart in front of my eyes.
Never heard the chavbots song, but the USHers have been sayign this for years now :P
TBH, I dont know where JD/CLSM wanted to get with Hardscape. So the most natural evolution of Hardcore, is to get back to the more slower Hard Dance music? Well I guess it's quite obvious. From being fast and adrealine pumping happy hardcore, to the more trancier uk hardcore... but then the others went electro, no wonder clsm got pissed off :P
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ABET
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 09:53:12
quote:
Originally posted by Bonkers4Life:
Hardcore should be the....no IT IS....the best electronic genre out there.
Djs shouldnt be ditching it....Djs Should be joining it.
I think if all Djs were to play Hardcore, they would be more famous.
just my opinion
Thats possible the most redundant thing I have ever heard and shows a complete lack of understanding for why there is a problem in the first place.
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Entity
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 11:14:11
To say this is a shame is a major understatement.
As already mentioned, production-wise he cannot be accused of being lazy or formulaic. I’ve seen him work a number of times and the things he does are amazing – he is always trying something new and coming up with new techniques for doing stuff and so on. The tunes aren’t too shabby either - I still regard “Roof on fire” as the best tune I’ve ever heard.
It’s not just about his productions. It’s also about the “hidden packages”, Ned’s birthday party being held in a cave at the top of a big hill at night (complete with glowstick goats), the Ned-Chi in the “Chill Tunnel” and the whistle-stop tours (PA’s at the side of a busy dual carriageway, on a school playing field and so on). Who else in hardcore has gone out of their way to do stuff like this?
Oh, and then there’s the small matter of getting hardcore onto Radio 1, but not that that’s important.........
*edit* - And then there's Underground TV.
I know I’ve waffled on a bit, but this is shit. He’s done so much for hardcore and has helped me out no-end over the last few years, so to hear this news is just.... meh.  Fracus hit the nail on the head – his contribution has been immeasurable and really deserves so much better than this.
As it says in the email, there may still be gigs and CLSM stuff occurring in the future – and it would be great if, somehow, everything sorts itself out and CLSM return full-time before too long.
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Edited by - Entity on 2009/08/07 16:09:36 |
Mortis
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 11:26:48
quote:
Originally posted by Jackol:
****! Hardcore is falling apart in front of my eyes.
You've only just noticed?
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blatentbeat
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 11:45:50
a huge shame..but im sure when the scene becomes 'cool' again they will be back
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DJ Fracus
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 11:55:58
Yeah cos Jon Doe was always about photoshoots and clothing sponsorship - never music (!)
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