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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2009/08/27 : 14:08:53
and if you happen to be on a phone...*cough*wilky*cough*...they also have your telephone provider and from that what you download, your billing adress and telephone number ;)
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Watson.
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 14:09:12
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Wilky, of course they can see what you download... they have your IP and once they have it, they also know your provider, location, OS etc.
What about proxy sites? Wouldn't they hide the IP, thus preventing them from catching you?
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Revs
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 14:23:14
Doesn't always work =/
And even if, they always manage to find you, except if you're maybe an ubergeek who works at some internet provider stuff and spends 24/7 in front of his screen..
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 14:26:07
to an extent but it wouldnt matter - if they bring in the correct laws all they will need to do is point at your IP see your're using proxy's and say "suspcious activity". and that will be enough to suspend your account and start up an investigation.
you sign up to an agreement at the start of your contract or billing cycle that has a whole host of rules already about using your connection for illegal activitys..
usually near the same place they try and hide their "fair use" policys in small print - bastards.
either way its an interesting situation.
personal privacy Vs Illegal Activitys...dun dun daaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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Sendaii
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 14:54:45
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Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
I think it's a pretty decent and fair idea personally. Make more sense that trying to give people huge fines or whatever. If this was actually passed I think it might make a lot of people think twice.
Except the music industry is incredibly incompetent when it comes to presenting evidence and have won most of their cases because they paid off the judges.
Something like this could never be fair. I mean, file sharers won't even get a fair trial, because according to the music industry, it would take too long.
**edited as per forum rules**
Also, just to clarify, I always buy indie and self-released music. I will NEVER buy from RIAA/BPI/whatever labels as long as they continue to treat their paying customers and artists like shit.
@Audio Warfare, DJ Revs: It's VERY easy to cover your tracks. Only stupid people are caught.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 14:56:16
our university has very strict policies on illegal downloads, including large fines and expulsion from the uni. they know if your download is legit or not. if they can know, then others can know.
essentially, the uni can get fined for any illegal downloads that come through their server/provider/thing, so even if the cops or whoever dont know which individual did the downloading, the uni will find them and ass rape them. so yeh, they crackdown on the students and fine them.
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 15:09:47
dont post links to ******* sites even if its their news section.
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 15:36:19
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Originally posted by Sendaii:
quote:
Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
I think it's a pretty decent and fair idea personally. Make more sense that trying to give people huge fines or whatever. If this was actually passed I think it might make a lot of people think twice.
Except the music industry is incredibly incompetent when it comes to presenting evidence and have won most of their cases because they paid off the judges.
Something like this could never be fair. I mean, file sharers won't even get a fair trial, because according to the music industry, it would take too long.
**edited as per forum rules**
Also, just to clarify, I always buy indie and self-released music. I will NEVER buy from RIAA/BPI/whatever labels as long as they continue to treat their paying customers and artists like shit.
@Audio Warfare, DJ Revs: It's VERY easy to cover your tracks. Only stupid people are caught.
You're also very naive if you think the powers that be can be tricked that easy. I'm sure they know a hell of a lot of things that you do not and could track you down if needs be, proxy or not.
If you're sharing files that weren't meant to be shared you're breaking the law. I don't see what more evidence is needed tbh. What case could you possibly have? YOUR views of what is right and wrong are completely worthless in a court of law.
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 15:40:32
quote:
Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
quote:
Originally posted by Sendaii:
quote:
Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
I think it's a pretty decent and fair idea personally. Make more sense that trying to give people huge fines or whatever. If this was actually passed I think it might make a lot of people think twice.
Except the music industry is incredibly incompetent when it comes to presenting evidence and have won most of their cases because they paid off the judges.
Something like this could never be fair. I mean, file sharers won't even get a fair trial, because according to the music industry, it would take too long.
**edited as per forum rules**
Also, just to clarify, I always buy indie and self-released music. I will NEVER buy from RIAA/BPI/whatever labels as long as they continue to treat their paying customers and artists like shit.
@Audio Warfare, DJ Revs: It's VERY easy to cover your tracks. Only stupid people are caught.
You're also very naive if you think the powers that be can be tricked that easy. I'm sure they know a hell of a lot of things that you do not and could track you down if needs be, proxy or not.
If you're sharing files that weren't meant to be shared you're breaking the law. I don't see what more evidence is needed tbh. What case could you possibly have? YOUR views of what is right and wrong are completely worthless in a court of law.
Not if you're in America!
Call the judge, the people sueing you, and the jury RACIST! And see how far you go.
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 16:12:42
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and if you happen to be on a phone...*cough*wilky*cough*...they also have your telephone provider and from that what you download, your billing adress and telephone number ;)
haha yea u got me on that one.. As im on contract - so is my mobile broadband.
What about PAYG mobile broadband and phone? As they dont need any registration at all - that means no address?
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 16:33:03
Changing the Law to get rid of all the the little scum-bag pikey b*astards that think that stealing music or films is acceptable
but at the same time don't think that stealing anything that's theirs is acceptable is a very good thing.
That should teach them that their double standards are as crap as they are.
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 16:53:56
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
dont post links to ******* sites even if its their news section.
t)orrentfreak is NOT a ******* site. It's JUST a news site. If you clicked the "About" page, you'd see that. It's just a news blog.
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 17:27:58
i know what it is, this forum has a policy about *******sites and *******/filesharing promotion including ones that link to *******sites.
if you have an issue with that, take it up with silver, they are his rules, and his forum you're posting on.
besides that, if its such big news you should be able to find it on other sites that arent promoting filesharing.
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 17:56:18
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
to an extent but it wouldnt matter - if they bring in the correct laws all they will need to do is point at your IP see your're using proxy's and say "suspcious activity". and that will be enough to suspend your account and start up an investigation.
No it isnt, you are using a proxy, nothing more. That is not illegal. They would have to contact the host and ask the logs, when the host is in another country it becomes a lot harder.
Also the minute they can, by law, monitor your traffic without any reason. We have a lot more problems then someone seeing what porn you like.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/08/27 : 18:11:46
no it isnt?
you disagree that they cant suspend your account if they view you as doing somthing that they class as ""suspcious activity"?
i never said anything about how haarrrrrdd it would be.
ISPs in the UK have every right after you sign their TnC to shut your account down for whatever reason they want.
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