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choonland
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 Posted - 2010/08/31 : 02:51:32
DON'T RELEASE MEDIOCRE MUSIC!!!
you are making us waste our precious time... please
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H3RO
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 03:14:00
Isn't it up to the label what get's released? Unless the producer owns the label, but then they'd have to have some amount of talent and credibility.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 03:28:06
Yeah but the producer has to make the music first :P
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 05:22:33
stop the filesharing and maybe we'll put more effort into it
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 08:29:38
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
stop the filesharing and maybe we'll put more effort into it
rofl. the idiots download anything anyways. I wish people would download for the music's sake, not the amount's sake
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 09:25:13
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
stop the filesharing and maybe we'll put more effort into it
rofl. the idiots download anything anyways. I wish people would download for the music's sake, not the amount's sake
It's a valid argument though. It's really sickening how the general population of consumers (teenagers) believe music should be free, but retain the same qualities as when musicians could make a living from it.
You can't have everything. The more money invested in the industry, the more quality productions are going to come out of it. It's as black and white as that.
Yet, everyone does it. Stupidity in numbers.
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 10:05:51
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
It's a valid argument though. It's really sickening how the general population of consumers (teenagers) believe music should be free, but retain the same qualities as when musicians could make a living from it.
I recently made a thread about buying music, first experience? No Finnish allowed. If I should pay for music, it should first be on sale. Explain how one can buy a digital release that these nationalist ****s in the music "industry" don't sell to Finland? Once i calm down a bit, i might get your point. But with the state of things, I cant blame the people that do download. Seriously. CD releases are becoming nonexistent, and mp3's are restricted as much as they can. While the flip of the coin: you get the music, no hassle.
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
You can't have everything. The more money invested in the industry, the more quality productions are going to come out of it. It's as black and white as that.
As much as i agree with you on the point that artists should be paid, that one is just crap. Money doesn't make music better. Its the same with any media. These days its all about profits, they want more with smaller investments. Thats why we have all the shit in the charts, reality TV etc.
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 10:24:42
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
It's a valid argument though. It's really sickening how the general population of consumers (teenagers) believe music should be free, but retain the same qualities as when musicians could make a living from it.
I recently made a thread about buying music, first experience? No Finnish allowed. If I should pay for music, it should first be on sale. Explain how one can buy a digital release that these nationalist ****s in the music "industry" don't sell to Finland? Once i calm down a bit, i might get your point. But with the state of things, I cant blame the people that do download. Seriously. CD releases are becoming nonexistent, and mp3's are restricted as much as they can. While the flip of the coin: you get the music, no hassle.
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
You can't have everything. The more money invested in the industry, the more quality productions are going to come out of it. It's as black and white as that.
As much as i agree with you on the point that artists should be paid, that one is just crap. Money doesn't make music better. Its the same with any media. These days its all about profits, they want more with smaller investments. Thats why we have all the shit in the charts, reality TV etc.
I have to against you here whispering.
Alot of the CD's aren't released worldwide, but compared to MP3's, there's the option of importing CD's. IT's the same when it comes to regionlocked movies and games. The product sold in the US is supposted to sold only in the US. how much I hate this myself, they're only thinking of the demographics. Well one of the reason when it comes to games is that dumb countries like France, German, Spain and Italy forces the game makers to translate their games in their native languages.
So far I can't buy Darren Styles MP3 (because AATW only sells the mp3s in UK and maybe US), unless I either buy the Vinyls, or as Whispering put it, I have to pirate it
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 10:32:43
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Originally posted by Samination:
Alot of the CD's aren't released worldwide, but compared to MP3's, there's the option of importing CD's. IT's the same when it comes to regionlocked movies and games. The product sold in the US is supposted to sold only in the US. how much I hate this myself, they're only thinking of the demographics. Well one of the reason when it comes to games is that dumb countries like France, German, Spain and Italy forces the game makers to translate their games in their native languages.
So far I can't buy Darren Styles MP3 (because AATW only sells the mp3s in UK and maybe US), unless I either buy the Vinyls, or as Whispering put it, I have to pirate it
Yes, but you can import CD's/DVD's. On mp3's you cant buy them and finnish stores cant import the product from other countries. This is the thing. I have 100's of CD's/DVD's from other countries, yet the format that is the easiest to sell to anywhere in the world, they restrict with contracts made directly with stores. Which prevents all competition and smaller local stores from selling the product and prevents most people from actually buying the product.
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 10:50:58
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Alot of the CD's aren't released worldwide, but compared to MP3's, there's the option of importing CD's. IT's the same when it comes to regionlocked movies and games. The product sold in the US is supposted to sold only in the US. how much I hate this myself, they're only thinking of the demographics. Well one of the reason when it comes to games is that dumb countries like France, German, Spain and Italy forces the game makers to translate their games in their native languages.
So far I can't buy Darren Styles MP3 (because AATW only sells the mp3s in UK and maybe US), unless I either buy the Vinyls, or as Whispering put it, I have to pirate it
Yes, but you can import CD's/DVD's. On mp3's you cant buy them and finnish stores cant import the product from other countries. This is the thing. I have 100's of CD's/DVD's from other countries, yet the format that is the easiest to sell to anywhere in the world, they restrict with contracts made directly with stores. Which prevents all competition and smaller local stores from selling the product and prevents most people from actually buying the product.
blame copyright and licensing laws
@andy and just blaming piracy is outright dumb. Piracy is a part of it yes, but not the only thing.
@choonland and which producers are you on about anyways?
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 10:53:49
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
It's a valid argument though. It's really sickening how the general population of consumers (teenagers) believe music should be free, but retain the same qualities as when musicians could make a living from it.
I recently made a thread about buying music, first experience? No Finnish allowed. If I should pay for music, it should first be on sale. Explain how one can buy a digital release that these nationalist ****s in the music "industry" don't sell to Finland? Once i calm down a bit, i might get your point. But with the state of things, I cant blame the people that do download. Seriously. CD releases are becoming nonexistent, and mp3's are restricted as much as they can. While the flip of the coin: you get the music, no hassle.
That isn't why people pirate. People (especially teenagers) get it for free because.... its free. Not because it's easier. Your circumstance is not a common one. But i agree with you, that sucks balls. I cant buy some MP3s because they dont release them to australia, so i feel your pain. I still dont fileshare, though. Take that as you will.
I don't understand how you can blame cd releases becoming rare on anything other than profit margins. It costs a lot to make and sell a CD - ask CDJay. If the money isnt going to be made back on it, they wont bother.
However, if more people bought CDs than fileshared them, then a lot more people would make money back... Maybe even make a profit! Shock! Horror!
If it was easier to make a profit (which everyone is entitled to) then there would be more ways to buy! I don't understand how you cant see this!
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
You can't have everything. The more money invested in the industry, the more quality productions are going to come out of it. It's as black and white as that.
As much as i agree with you on the point that artists should be paid, that one is just crap. Money doesn't make music better. Its the same with any media. These days its all about profits, they want more with smaller investments. Thats why we have all the shit in the charts, reality TV etc.
No it's not the same as any other media. That's your first mistake.
Take film - still a multi BILLION dollar industry. Avatar made over 2 BILLION gross dollars. Two BILLION! Films regularly make in the tens of, and hundreds of millions. Everyone can fileshare films all they want, when that kind of money is involved i dont give a shit. People are still becoming rich from it. People still rent movies and go to the cinemas.
TV? Please. How is TV the same at all? People still pay for cable, people still watch tv. In the Millions and millions and millions.
You're forgetting the distinction. The music industry makes a FRACTION of what it did 10 years ago. File sharing is not a SMALL problem, its a MASSIVE problem. If you want real-time examples in hardcore - look how many people have moved on from a shit, unrewarding scene to others. Do you really need a list? I dont think anyone needs to be reminded how many have left.
Another one related to hardcore? Look how many labels dont release vinyl any more. Look how many have gone completely digital. Two big examples of this would be N.E.C and Executive Records. Neither of them release vinyl any more. They cant even come CLOSE to breaking even any more... And thats ****ing sad.
Take a look at why the music industry, in general, is flooded with mediocre acts. Labels need MORE revenue streams. Instead of relying on a few amazing ones, they now NEED to have many streams to survive. Hence, you hear shit music.
You know, i had a release with Executive records. It didn't sell so well. Disgruntled, i apologized to haze... as i thought it would go REALLY well. As supportive as ever, he told me that nowdays you can't look at sales to determine how popular music is. You'd be better off looking at fiilesharing sites and looking at the download numbers.
I don't know about you but that comes from a record label OWNER and that's disgraceful.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 10:57:54
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Alot of the CD's aren't released worldwide, but compared to MP3's, there's the option of importing CD's. IT's the same when it comes to regionlocked movies and games. The product sold in the US is supposted to sold only in the US. how much I hate this myself, they're only thinking of the demographics. Well one of the reason when it comes to games is that dumb countries like France, German, Spain and Italy forces the game makers to translate their games in their native languages.
So far I can't buy Darren Styles MP3 (because AATW only sells the mp3s in UK and maybe US), unless I either buy the Vinyls, or as Whispering put it, I have to pirate it
Yes, but you can import CD's/DVD's. On mp3's you cant buy them and finnish stores cant import the product from other countries. This is the thing. I have 100's of CD's/DVD's from other countries, yet the format that is the easiest to sell to anywhere in the world, they restrict with contracts made directly with stores. Which prevents all competition and smaller local stores from selling the product and prevents most people from actually buying the product.
blame copyright and licensing laws
@andy and just blaming piracy is outright dumb. Piracy is a part of it yes, but not the only thing.
@choonland and which producers are you on about anyways?
It's a BIG part of it. sorry but neither of you can really comment - how many times have you sold your own music? i've seen sales compared to free downloads on filesharing sites. Its much bigger than either of you think, i promise.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 11:11:39
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Originally posted by whispering:
As much as i agree with you on the point that artists should be paid, that one is just crap. Money doesn't make music better. Its the same with any media. These days its all about profits, they want more with smaller investments. Thats why we have all the shit in the charts, reality TV etc.
No, I would actually agree with Andy to be honest! You don't need money to make something good, I know producers who are putting shocking tracks together in their bedrooms and living rooms and its just a matter of time before they take the hardcore scene by storm.
In the end though, they have jobs to do, paperwork to fill out and so on because they need the money coming in. If they already they had the money they could afford to spend more time on their music.
At the end of the day, the reason why Darren Styles can push out really high quality albums is because he has the time to sit in his studio and really put the hours into fine tuning his tracks, the money to be able to employ vocalists for extended periods of time and so on. Top notch studio equipment doesn't pay for itself, neither does paying for travel to various raves and such to get the music out there and travelling to and so on and so forth, basically it's an expensive life and the cash at the end of it is a requirement as well as an incentive!
if we were talking about pop music out there at the moment I would agree with you wholeheartedly, the whole pop music industry is almost criminal in how it can push out just plain old bad music and demand the maximum amount of cash for it which it builds up by basically from telling you that you like it, I just think that's all wrong.
But hardcore, as much as we all seem to think Darren Styles is a big celebrity, the average bugger on the street really has no idea who he is and he is making an honest living through record sales and DJing.
But yeah anyway, pirate pop music all you want but hardcore needs the support really. It's good to know you're being a part of something and that by buying records you ARE making a difference. If I made a tune on some crappy cheap software and I released it and everyone went mad over it and I made a decent amount of money from the record and a few bookings I got as a result I wouldn't spend it all on a load of crap, It'd spur me on to splash out at least some of it on better speakers, software, synths, keyboards, writing talen etc. etc. so I can please the fans -> make a bit of money -> put a nice sum into production and so on. Beautiful cycle!
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 12:20:21
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Record sales have gone down, yes. But punishing the paying customers for it is only going to make it go down more and faster. I do not have to be a label owner or an artist to be able to say that taking an existing product, adding restrictions on it, lowering the quality and prohibiting customers from buying it, is bad business. No matter what way you look at it. You cant blame a person from downloading a tune, if you dont give them a chance of buying it first.
As far as expenive CD's go, thats nonsense. I have many CD's from various really small artists, self published, some even sold by themselves. Sometimes they are CD-R's with covers made with a home printer, sometimes they dont have covers at all. But their CD's nevertheless.
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 12:37:41
'Piracy' is not music's enemy. I thought people realised by now how out dated this whole piracy rubbish is. If people want to buy music they will. Anyone trying to make profit from electronic music should probably find a better means of doing it anyway. It's hardly a good source. Also quality goes downhill when people are only doing it for profit.
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 12:49:31
I give up. Clearly you're all as happy as can be with the state hardcore, and music, is in general.
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