NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2010/09/30 : 18:59:47
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
Never really understood the fascination with seeing the 'biggest' names live anyway. They're big names based on production talent, not DJing talent. Bar a select few, most of them are pretty average.
Scott Brown's name is 'big' for all the right reasons. He create good music for more than 15 years and upheld his style throughout.
Other big names like Darren Styles are not created through hard graft, but are inflated through sugardaddy companies who pump the money into each release.
Total ********. How do you think he got in a position where a record label was willing to back him? Years of producing the biggest tunes in the scene.
I back this man 100% Sorry but come on, it's one thing to say you don't like styles, think he's too commercial or whatever but he is skilled. It amazes me how quick people are to disregard the amazing things that Styles did back in the 90s. This is hardcore; a small scene, not the X-factor!
Ken Masters Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,447 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2010/09/30 : 19:03:17
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
quote:Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
who cares, the hardcore scene's dieing anyway.
hmm, can't say I agree with that. Just because the style of Hardcore thats popular isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean the scenes dieing. If anything the scenes booming! The world is now united in hardcore.
the way they're whining (about sales), I'd say we don't know how seriously f*cked hardcore really is
fair point, but it's not just Hardcore thats struggling sales wise. The music world is struggling as a whole. I don't think this is a good way to judge how well a type of music is doing.
As much as it pains me to say, I think dropping vinyls will be a good move for Hardcore. It should help push a lot more new material & make the Producers a little extra. Only time will tell though...
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NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2010/09/30 : 19:16:30
quote:Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
quote:Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
who cares, the hardcore scene's dieing anyway.
hmm, can't say I agree with that. Just because the style of Hardcore thats popular isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean the scenes dieing. If anything the scenes booming! The world is now united in hardcore.
the way they're whining (about sales), I'd say we don't know how seriously f*cked hardcore really is
fair point, but it's not just Hardcore thats struggling sales wise. The music world is struggling as a whole. I don't think this is a good way to judge how well a type of music is doing.
As much as it pains me to say, I think dropping vinyls will be a good move for Hardcore. It should help push a lot more new material & make the Producers a little extra. Only time will tell though...
I think hardcore is neither here nor there, not crap, not booming, just plodding along steadily really.
Ken Masters Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,447 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2010/09/30 : 19:28:12
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
quote:Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
who cares, the hardcore scene's dieing anyway.
hmm, can't say I agree with that. Just because the style of Hardcore thats popular isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean the scenes dieing. If anything the scenes booming! The world is now united in hardcore.
the way they're whining (about sales), I'd say we don't know how seriously f*cked hardcore really is
fair point, but it's not just Hardcore thats struggling sales wise. The music world is struggling as a whole. I don't think this is a good way to judge how well a type of music is doing.
As much as it pains me to say, I think dropping vinyls will be a good move for Hardcore. It should help push a lot more new material & make the Producers a little extra. Only time will tell though...
I think hardcore is neither here nor there, not crap, not booming, just plodding along steadily really.
True. To think that in the first coming of Hardcore it peaked for about 5 years but now, in the 2nd coming, we're looking at around 10 years & still going strong.
I can't think of any other genre of Dance music thats managed this, not only to bounce back like it has but to become bigger & more popular than it was before. Ok, people will argue it's not what it once was but it's still made with the same formula which defined the genre to begin with. The only other genre of music that I can think of that's made a come back like this is House & thats because of the simple fact that House never has, & never will die. House is the daddy & always will be.
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NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2010/09/30 : 20:22:18
quote:Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
quote:Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
who cares, the hardcore scene's dieing anyway.
hmm, can't say I agree with that. Just because the style of Hardcore thats popular isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean the scenes dieing. If anything the scenes booming! The world is now united in hardcore.
the way they're whining (about sales), I'd say we don't know how seriously f*cked hardcore really is
fair point, but it's not just Hardcore thats struggling sales wise. The music world is struggling as a whole. I don't think this is a good way to judge how well a type of music is doing.
As much as it pains me to say, I think dropping vinyls will be a good move for Hardcore. It should help push a lot more new material & make the Producers a little extra. Only time will tell though...
I think hardcore is neither here nor there, not crap, not booming, just plodding along steadily really.
True. To think that in the first coming of Hardcore it peaked for about 5 years but now, in the 2nd coming, we're looking at around 10 years & still going strong.
I can't think of any other genre of Dance music thats managed this, not only to bounce back like it has but to become bigger & more popular than it was before. Ok, people will argue it's not what it once was but it's still made with the same formula which defined the genre to begin with. The only other genre of music that I can think of that's made a come back like this is House & thats because of the simple fact that House never has, & never will die. House is the daddy & always will be.
Yeah I mean as darren styles said on radio 1, for such a closed scene we're really lucky to have seen more highs than lows. I think mainstream exposure can only do the scene good really because at the end of the day, hardcore nowdays is 175-180bpm and it's really difficult to make something like that radio & TV friendly so we're never going to be flooded with a lot of media hype.
I think the most amount of mainstream appeal hardcore will ever have will be just enough to keep it peaking and dropping and peaking. And I think that's good because it means we avoid a lot of negative attention and things like people only joining the scene because it's cool, you'd always have to be into the music to make it or to dance to it.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,504 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2010/10/02 : 00:06:30
HTID are interested in one thing & one thing only, and that is money! Scott Brown is one of the 'old boys' not one of the 'top guns'
People like Slipmatt & Billy 'Daniel' Bunter are the 'old boys' as they are still around but not in the mainstream light. As Scott Brown seems to want nothing to do with the mainstream they are shunning him. Shame he could before one of the sets but thats life I guess.
Reall this is a sign of the times. Good people leave the scene and others get thrown out. Hardcore is falling to peices. Its a shame but the last 5 years have been nothing but a shambles as far as music production is concerned. Unless you class tune after tune all sounding the same or remixes of pop tunes good for Hardcore then I will let you enjoy the scene. But for people who like real Hardcore like me I have nothing better to do than say; etter get the Old Skool tunes on'
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2010/10/02 : 01:31:33
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
HTID are interested in one thing & one thing only, and that is money! Scott Brown is one of the 'old boys' not one of the 'top guns'
People like Slipmatt & Billy 'Daniel' Bunter are the 'old boys' as they are still around but not in the mainstream light. As Scott Brown seems to want nothing to do with the mainstream they are shunning him. Shame he could before one of the sets but thats life I guess.
Reall this is a sign of the times. Good people leave the scene and others get thrown out. Hardcore is falling to peices. Its a shame but the last 5 years have been nothing but a shambles as far as music production is concerned. Unless you class tune after tune all sounding the same or remixes of pop tunes good for Hardcore then I will let you enjoy the scene. But for people who like real Hardcore like me I have nothing better to do than say; etter get the Old Skool tunes on'
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2010/10/03 : 04:54:21
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
Another shit addition to the gallery of shit Smoogie posts. Scott brown wants nothing to do with the mainstream?
hats when Ultrabeat bullied Scott Brown into doing something commercial. How many commercial tunes has Scott Brown done since?
and how do u know that he was bullied into it? did he cry on your shoulders over the whole incident?
i don't believe that he was bullied. if you haven't noticed, SB has a habit of remixing some of his more popular tunes just for the sake of keeping that track alive. elysium was no different. after doing elysium plus, what else could he do differently but put vocals in.
personally, the tune is ok, but i do prefer the hardcore version of it better
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,230 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2010/10/03 : 08:53:17
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
Another shit addition to the gallery of shit Smoogie posts. Scott brown wants nothing to do with the mainstream?
hats when Ultrabeat bullied Scott Brown into doing something commercial. How many commercial tunes has Scott Brown done since?
ehm... Wasn't Scott Brown fairly commercial back in 1997? like he got some CD-Maxi's out.
kenmaster: Maybe it's bigger today, but isn't that because many more people are listening? I would actually want to thank the internet for that. If internet was used as much today as back then, I'd wager that the older style might have had more listeners.
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