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DJ_Kid_Nickles
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 Posted - 2011/01/04 : 20:41:54
Yes, I'm quite aware of that, but it is of my personal opinion, along with a handful of individuals that agree, that think/feel that if you have no experience producing (that doesn't mean you have to CURRENTLY be producing), then you shouldn't be running a label...you shouldn't be doing something like that unless you have some kind of basic knowledge or experience in the creative process/work that goes into it...other wise, I seriously doubt that a person can not have a completely accurate portrayal of all the work/effort that goes in hardcore, in its entirety, as a genre.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 20:46:20
That is the same as saying everyone who listens to Hardcore has to producer to appreciate it, which of course makes no sense. There is no need to be able to produce to know what sounds good, in fact it probably helps if you don't because then you will be less biased. The fact the label is better than most also point to this lol. Even if it was generally true, he is proving you wrong at least on his own.
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DJ_Kid_Nickles
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 20:54:49
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
That is the same as saying everyone who listens to Hardcore has to producer to appreciate it, which of course makes no sense. There is no need to be able to produce to know what sounds good, in fact it probably helps if you don't because then you will be less biased. The fact the label is better than most also point to this lol. Even if it was generally true, he is proving you wrong at least on his own.
No, it is in NO way the same as saying that LOL it takes alot more to run a label than just sitting and say "oh, this track sounds ace, I think I'll sign it" LOL You have to have more sense than that mate LOL And I also disagree with what you said about being less biased from not producing...as far as producing goes, and being biased, I feel that being biased as a producer and/or person who runs a label helps you to better define your own personal "style" or "sound", rather than signing a bunch of stuff that varies in sound (sounds like polar opposites of the same genre) or seems to be up in the air without any kind of direction...And I do understand that what is being said here are ONLY opinions, which vary from person to person, and have no actual "fact" to them...
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 21:03:51
Well, the evidence speaks for itself doesn't it? Thumpa etc are doing exactly that which you are saying is not possible, and have been successful in doing so for a decent amount of time. That is not an argument, that is just a fact.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 21:31:31
Not forgetting CDJay of course. Not a producer but runs RFU & HU, both of which are/where incredibly successful and respected products. So, in your opinion Kid_Nickles, is RFU & HU not proving that you can run a successful label without being a producer? Or is it all rubbish in your opinion?
Also, I totally agree with Matt about being biased because you produce. Producing can place you in blinkers and it's very hard to be objective about a track because you tend to dissect it rather than listening to it and taking it for what it is. Back in the day when producers weren't as technical as they are now the music was a lot more fun, and some might say was actually better, myself included. Lets take Hixxy & Sharkey's remix of Shout Now by The Timespan. The production on that track is absolutely horrible but the track itself is fantastic, that's the difference. Now it wouldn't even make it near a label let alone be signed to one of the biggest labels around but then it got a release. Think of how many great tracks would have been binned if it was all down to producers analysing every frequency, beat, note and key. This is one of the reasons why a lot of the tracks that come out these days are throw away tracks that you'll forget you have this time next year, it's more clinical now a day and it's taken the edge and emotion off a lot of the music.
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Hoodzie
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 21:35:17
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 21:36:14
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Originally posted by DJ_Kid_Nickles:
Honestly, PISS THE **** OFF Thumpa! YOU INFURIATE ME! You obivously have no ****ing clue what the hell you're talking about! If Gisbo's stuff wasn't up to par/on point, DO YOU REALLY THINK HE'D BE SIGNED TO LABELS (yes labels!!! MEANING MORE THAN ONE cause you're helmet ass most likely can't count)
A quick browse on IMO Download tells me that anyone can release music, it doesn't mean its good.
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Originally posted by DJ_Kid_Nickles:You know NOTHING about hardcore, and if you did, you would be producing yourself.
That's like saying Alex Ferguson can't score 20 goals a season for Man Utd so he shouldn't be their manager. This rather insane point has been made on the internet a million times by a million people and its still the most retarded thing ever typed on here. Its like when people say (and I knew you were going to say this exact same thing before you even said it)...
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Originally posted by DJ_Kid_Nickles:You say alot of producers today can't even carry a tune in a bucket? Well, lets see you do better mate! Don't see/hear of you being signed to MULTIPLE labels.
Ah that old chestnut. Only really, really stupid people say that. Remember that next time you complain about a tv show, or a film, or a song on the radio. Come on kid, even you know its stupid to say shit like that.
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Originally posted by DJ_Kid_Nickles:And one more thing, if you're not producing, then WHY THE HELL ARE YOU RUNNING A LABEL?
For your information mate, I run a label (a very good label) because of my passion for this music. I've forgotten more about rave music than a lot of people on here and I've been DJ'ing and buying music for 15 years. The reason this music has suffered is because of ten a penny 'producers' who load up their cracked copy of cubase, throw some random pop accapella behind a kick with some shit copycat riff and export it and upload it to IMO Download. It takes more skill to release good music than it does to make and release crap music. In fact I'd go as far as to say that the reason my label does well and gets support off big DJs is because I DON'T make music. I can stand back and look at the bigger picture and know what a good track sounds like. Shitty producers have something wrong with their ears (and ego) and release any old crap they make because they want to see their name in lights, irregardless of whether it is genuinely conceived as good music or not. These producers need to realise if they want to make a name for themselves, they need to start making decent music.
Your post is so childish, cliched and retarded I almost couldn't be arsed to reply, but hey here I am, big gob and everything.
I'd rather be hated for everything I am, than loved for something I am not.
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Hoodzie
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 21:42:02
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 21:43:31
Oh also, a lot of my friends produce and I know a bit about making music. I go through every track I release with a fine tooth comb, and have asked for arrangements, mixdowns and sounds to be changed before. Its actually a rarity that I'll be 100% happy with a track and have asked for stuff to be changed before.
If you think me running a label just involves saying 'yeah that's good, I'll sign it!' then I find that quite insulting. My label is a a snapshot of my musical tastes as much as my artists.
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 22:21:43
Theres allot of childish arguing going on here with allot of pathetic attacks on Thumpa.
As I said in my post, Thumpa was slightly more diplomatic than he could have been, and there have been attacks on him that aren't entirely warranted.
However, Thumpa, you do have a certain arrogance and I've experienced that first hand. Its probably generated by the fact your label is held in a high regard and is a cut above 80% of the scene. But that doesnt mean slamming other people opinions and music is right...
Hope you clock that, Miz
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Hoodzie
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 22:51:04
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 22:55:49
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Dont think its childish
The topic became something of a joke a long time ago lol.
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Dartford-ravin-crew
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 22:55:51
I do have to say this thread has gone completely off topic.
I would just like to say on the matter, @Thumpa, I must take my hat off to you for your label it does have a good following and i know some of the artists you sign personnally and have played at events with some of them too, but i must say you attitude towards alot of people is very poor.
As to your attack on gisbo, i must defend his material, it may not be to your taste but that is why hardcore is what it is, different people bringing different things to the table.
To the comments on his material being generic and unoriginal, Gisbo's material is respected by alot of Producers and label owners, and has been used on a large amount of compilations just to mention a few Tried & Tested, Can You Feel It, TrackMaster, NSR (CD series), Ravers Addition. As i'm sure you know that these labels and owners have done alot of things in the scene and are not just turning out generic C*!p.
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Hoodzie
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 23:05:02
going to remove my comments made about thumpa due to relizing how stupid iv been n how bad it looks on my part (DOH!) and also sent Thumpa personal email
battles between Hardcore labels/artists just aint Hardcore :)
think everyone has there own tastes and opinions and thats all this is i think its simples!
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 23:11:29
@Thumpa: ReBuild Music is it?? I'm looking through what you've got available on TrackItDown and I'm not that impressed to be honest! A couple of tracks are nice but nothing I would particularly bother with. Someone said that you're a cut above 80% of the scene but to me you sound like 80% of the scene does.
My point is not that your label is shit or anything like that, but to say that however 'good' or 'bad' any artist under any label is subjective so there is no need to run down what other people like to listen to regardless of your personal accomplishments compared to theirs...!
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