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DjZelous Senior Member
United States
369 posts Joined: Oct, 2012
Posted - 2017/02/13 : 23:03:44
How come hardcore has not had a proper take off, Out of all the harder styles, hardcore is the one that its climax was VERY short lived, i assume it was in the raver baby days, when Darren Styles skydivin sold a shit ton of copies. Most hardcore tunes are very well produced, And have a great sound but i cant figure out why it does not play at festivals or big parties. Here in miami, hard dance does not exist, but every so often ill hear a Drum n Bass tune on the biggest EDM fm station we have. not once do i hear a hardcore tune. any time i play at a house party i always drop at least one hardcore tune and people go INSANE, Every time! Will we ever see a tune that did what Martin Garrix Animals did? A song off an exclusive electro house label (Spinnin') that made it onto the top 10 and got regular airplay.
Just my thoughts
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CDJay Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,251 posts Joined: Nov, 2001
Posted - 2017/02/14 : 02:12:06
First of all, I'm far from convinced "boom" is a model we want (given that bust is a close companion).
Prior spikes have been based entirely on a grassroots swell, capitalised on by corporations. It's surprising we dodged the global, and certainly NA, boom but I have a fair appraisal.
The roots of the genre are actually quite solid, but we had "growing pains" in the 90 and 00s. Not taken seriously, and ironically held in better stead retrospectively.
The only way we'll get taken seriously is if we take ourselves seriously, and it saddens me to say that the best way to get "big" in hardcore is to succeed once you've given up on it. Our scene seems almost ashamed of itself and its roots, which isn't a way to attract a potential suitor.
D&B exists largely outside of the commercial sphere, but has a radio station on Forza Horizon 3. Why? Cred. Unity.
If we want another spurt, we need to do foreplay. I'm, personally, tired of banging the drum of collaboration and have ideas beyond our seemingly assigned station. We'll try to take the genre to places it hasn't been, to pastures new, but I'm tired of seeking approval. We're here, we're geared, get used to it.
Once the princesses tire of flirting with princes, outside of genre, maybe they'll work out their own kingdom needs some attention. Who knows? It's 2017; fairy godmothers don't give out durable footwear for free these days.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
10,215 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2017/02/14 : 05:22:43
Sketchy, there are some things in your statements that are complete off.
First off. Fracus & Darwin aren't blodoy newcomers, and not Mob either. Klubfiller is debatable since he's also been in the "higher" scene for a bit (and not just some random HU combilation :P)
And what the **** is AATW doing with Hardcore lately? Nothing, or are they hiding something from us? like 3 Clublanc Xtreme albums or something?
Also, are you taking queues from Donald Trump something? Your album will be great? that was his mantra the whole way through his election :D
So you will have to excuse me, But color me sceptical.
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Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
10,215 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2017/02/14 : 06:42:36
If they want it to thrive, they have to do something about. I'm pretty sure they have a bigger range that could help more than whatever the "top tier" are doing now.
And you have to excuse me that I can't take any artist comments face value
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ViolonC Average Member
Germany
160 posts Joined: Sep, 2014
Posted - 2017/02/14 : 09:35:14
I think the answer is actually pretty simple. UK Hardcore never really had support on mainland Europe. With the rise of EDM there is a little traction in the US lately but anything else are British colonies (and Japan is another thing).
Jacco Junior Member
United Kingdom
120 posts Joined: Mar, 2005
Posted - 2017/02/14 : 17:52:21
quote:Originally posted by ViolonC:
I think the answer is actually pretty simple. UK Hardcore never really had support on mainland Europe. With the rise of EDM there is a little traction in the US lately but anything else are British colonies (and Japan is another thing).
There was lot's of potential in Germany once. One of the big problems is that people just ****ing sit on their releases for ages but it's getting better thanks to HU. If you can't sort out younger DJs with new tunes then there will be less parties and that makes it harder to win new supporters.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
10,215 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2017/02/15 : 05:16:16
did you make that in advance so you could prove a point? :P
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Samination, Swedish Hardcore DJ
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quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Sketchy, there are some things in your statements that are complete off.
First off. Fracus & Darwin aren't blodoy newcomers, and not Mob either. Klubfiller is debatable since he's also been in the "higher" scene for a bit (and not just some random HU combilation :P)
And what the **** is AATW doing with Hardcore lately? Nothing, or are they hiding something from us? like 3 Clublanc Xtreme albums or something?
Also, are you taking queues from Donald Trump something? Your album will be great? that was his mantra the whole way through his election :D
So you will have to excuse me, But color me sceptical.
No. I've known of Fracus & Darwin for years! They have certainly jumped up a few pegs in recent times though.
AATW are sat there wanting to invest. They seriously want the Hardcore scene to thrive, and are probably a bit frustrated with the present situation. They are doing the Clubland Weekender too.
My comments about my album sounding awesome are in my opinion. It's certainly different. I'm nervous for you guys to hear the finished article, as all the tracks are all directly based off my ideas.
Most original raver hated AATW, Hardcore cashing in and selling out, where did it get hardcore in the end? Hixxy, Styles and AATW and some fat scouse bloke singing other peoples tunes badly and fek loads of cash for them.
jordesuvi Junior Member
United Kingdom
113 posts Joined: Feb, 2014
Posted - 2017/02/16 : 08:01:24
From the perspective I have:
I've been reading around on the social medias and finding that a lot of artists have been promising "2017 is the year of happy hardcore".
Which is quite interesting. We're all aware of how prevalent Stonebank has become in recent years. Darren Styles and Gammer got their first release on Monstercat yesterday (MC were kind enough to spontaneously send me a promo of the track beforehand to release my YouTube video in conjunction with theirs).
Hardcore Heaven was released with notable success at the end of 2016, with all the preview clips on Soundcloud averaging around 15k plays. Quite impressive.
Not to mention the upcoming HU projects.
S3RL is more successful than ever.
Artists like IYF and the guys at OneSeventy seem to have established their corner of the market
And honestly, I'm getting a lot more promo's from artists lately than I used to.
From what I've gathered, it's almost like we've all finally got ourselves together and covered exactly what we're about and what we want to present.
Hardcore was undergoing somewhat of a lengthy experimental phase.
I do think that sooner or later we are set for another spike, if not at least becoming a more underlying presence in the EDM scene.
Hopefully with all this traction the genre could be on its way to something more.
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