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DJ Sketchy
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 Posted - 2017/02/19 : 02:14:37
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Originally posted by Bring Me Round To Love:
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Originally posted by DJ Sketchy:
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Originally posted by Bring Me Round To Love:
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
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Originally posted by CDJay:
(I think this is quite 2001-2002 -ey, personally)
Wow, I remember the buzz and excitement of that time like it was yesterday - it was literally almost half my life ago.
I remember thinking it was all over when events were scrapping hardcore and there was next to nothing being released, I was buying tape packs and hearing all the same tunes repeatedly, then suddenly - boom! UK hardcore was born!
Agreed, those of us that stuck with Hardcore in 99 and a few more years after where awaiting a even bigger surprise for being loyal, new sound, new direction, and for me looking back and even at the time you could see it was special, a buzz in the air, the second phase maybe even better then the 90's which i would have never thought would have happened.
Well I caught the tail end of Happy Hardcore, and loved it! I remember the days when Hardcore was struggling just after and it was in the tiny room at Camden Palace. I'll never forget a room tightly packed with about 300 ravers singing tunes back to Vibes! There was SUCH an atmosphere in that room. Then the scene quite quickly gained its ground and started developing again.
Back then though pretty much all the big boys were intertwined with it. That's not really happened this time round. Don't get me wrong, there are still quite a few big names present at the moment though. Just records were still big then, and everyone stuck to their release schedules, as people were still buying records.
Back onto the boom after Happy Hardcore with the UK Hardcore sound was just immense. I loved when I was running my coaches about once a month after about 2005, and I saw some wild, huge raves and pretty much every HTID. It was awesome! Id say I preferred the UK Hardcore peak, as I saw all of it! I loved the wild freedom I experienced at the Happy Hardcore peak though.
Miss those days for sure, hope your new album has some early/mid 00's influence.
Well we have completed 2 tracks and are working on a 3rd & 4th at the same time. The first track has some oldskool flava. The 2nd sounds like a Hardcore Nukleuz track! So yeah it's coming along well so far!
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Vladel
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Posted - 2017/02/19 : 10:04:10
My morale with the state of releases is pretty low atm to be honest and like CDjay says, early in the year is pretty release light but i think it goes beyond that. It's funny to me that for most of 2013-2015 lethal theory were banging out the albums. Since they (Joey & Kurt) started their subscription service to get "releases" early should probably have been worded "at all". From the previews make you stomp seemed a bit flat and that was all we got last year as i don't really credit lethal theory with the M-project stuff as most of that comes out of terraform anyway.
Hixxy has been producing but he's TWR so we will likely never see them. Speahow to make it king of which i think TWR might be dead if the releases are anything to go by and that Gammer & Styles are now on monstercat. I have no idea if their first track will actually be released anywhere else.
Freeform has to be utter dead or deaths door without the relentless Thumpa to push it. Transcend and the others were discussing on facebook how to make it more popular again and if anything the consensus was take it further away from UK hardcore which is kind of saying "lets cut our hand off and it will work much better". Freeform worked best when it shadowed uk hardcore and crossed over. The only man now who seems to do that is gammer although the snobby freeform scene probably wouldn't class that stuff as anything to do with freeform.
We've lost some big producing names and returns haven't really panned out. The Sy & Unknown split still stings and i haven't seen anythuing from unknown for a while now (no great loss). Nothing from brisk, Bananaman hasn't really panned out, recon has gone, squad-e is on GTYM so we will never hear anything from him. IYF & nobody were promising but went to shit really, rescue hasn't done much, the list goes on.
Again it's up to HU to do everything it seems with regard to releases because at the end of the day, you can have big raves and lots of online mixes and stuff like that but if none of it is released, it's all a bit sharkey i.e a waste of hope and effort.
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arpz
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Posted - 2017/02/19 : 14:01:11
Brisk was only talking about his new artist album the other day :)
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Samination
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Posted - 2017/02/19 : 20:33:40
how to make freeform great again? Easy. Make it hard, not chillout with LONG bloody mixable section and short melodic section... The melodic sections aren't much longer than what 'Happy' Hardcore is right now, but the 2 minute intro's and 2 minute outro's are friggin boring to mix nowadays. I'm no big player in any scene's (only been making mixes since 2003 but hey, I aint sucking dick to get anywhere :)), but I am seriously considering dumping freeform completly too...
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Elipton
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Posted - 2017/02/20 : 08:41:46
Freeform's getting a lot of stick which I think is a bit unfair. It's not beyond making a strong recovery. I think it's gone a little too far from Hardcore, and it's lost most of the up-beat, care-free vibe that it was founded upon (I use Freeformation as the perfect benchmark). Perhaps it's lost it's personality?
The music being released isn't by any means bad, it's just moved itself into even more of a niche than it was before, and I think that's unwittingly hurt it more than it's helped it. ILHB started 5 years ago, so it's disappointing that they rely on Kevin Energy or Scott Brown guest mixes to headline. It'll be interesting to see what shape it's in after not attending ILHB since 2013
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2017/02/20 : 09:58:08
I have no idea what's going on with Freeform this year, what I do know is that Transcend is releasing another artist album, hopefully Spring 2017 and Substanced is also finalizing one.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2017/02/20 : 15:30:30
I keep meaning to "start up" a free sister label to "The world of cuttlefish/bee-trax" and start farting out old-skool freeform.
but lazy.
true story.
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2017/03/07 : 12:56:11
The problem with freeform is there aren't enough strong personalities to push it, apart from a few good mates its a load of geeks that don't go to a lot of raves so they don't know any promoters or are too terrified to speak to anyone at raves. I knew everyone, promoters, ravers, producers, MCs etc and I put all my effort into making everyone aware of what's going on in freeform. There isn't that extrovert people-person to be at the forefront shouting about it every 5 mins. There's some skilled producers in freeform but you can't just sit and make tunes, you need to be out there talking about it.
Fortunately for my sanity I've removed myself from it, it's a thankless task.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2017/03/07 : 16:24:05
I doubt this appeals to og freeform heads; but this is kill kill. i said it before and will say it again. psytrance is getting massive. most popular genre right now in the USA; not kidding. people are starting to crave high energy beats with trippy lyrics; psychedically inclined music. everyone wants to be " spiritual" . the festie scene rules supreme. this is the age of psytrance. cyrax and transend nailed it.
https://soundcloud.com/dj-cyrax/substanced-afterlife-penance-transcend-cyrax-remix-fc-finrg
watch 1: 45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bk8T4J6zc4
unheard of. never ever happened before. insomniac is dropping ther mainstream bs for wicked underground.
hope someone is listening. they could easily accomplish what Gammer failed miserably to do; and appeal to a much wider base of fans; and actually be successfull.
https://soundcloud.com/dj-cyrax/substanced-afterlife-penance-transcend-cyrax-remix-fc-finrg
EDC added a full 3 day trance/psy stage . first time a new stage in YEARS?. they are not dumb. trap is already failing; people are bored of it. even seen common trance producers hopping board with psy tracks.
https://soundcloud.com/jordansuckley/john-oo-fleming-dawn-over-the-amazon-jordan-suckley-remix
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Rodz90
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Posted - 2017/03/07 : 20:24:08
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Originally posted by trippnface:
I doubt this appeals to og freeform heads; but this is kill kill. i said it before and will say it again. psytrance is getting massive. most popular genre right now in the USA; not kidding. people are starting to crave high energy beats with trippy lyrics; psychedically inclined music. everyone wants to be " spiritual" . the festie scene rules supreme. this is the age of psytrance. cyrax and transend nailed it.
https://soundcloud.com/dj-cyrax/substanced-afterlife-penance-transcend-cyrax-remix-fc-finrg
watch 1: 45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bk8T4J6zc4
unheard of. never ever happened before. insomniac is dropping ther mainstream bs for wicked underground.
hope someone is listening. they could easily accomplish what Gammer failed miserably to do; and appeal to a much wider base of fans; and actually be successfull.
https://soundcloud.com/dj-cyrax/substanced-afterlife-penance-transcend-cyrax-remix-fc-finrg
EDC added a full 3 day trance/psy stage . first time a new stage in YEARS?. they are not dumb. trap is already failing; people are bored of it. even seen common trance producers hopping board with psy tracks.
https://soundcloud.com/jordansuckley/john-oo-fleming-dawn-over-the-amazon-jordan-suckley-remix
But Psy-trance already had pretty firm roots as far as popularity goes, artists like Juno Reactor, Astrix, Ace Ventura, and Liquid Soul have been playing to huge festivals such as Boom, Freedom, Burning Mountain and even Tomorowland for over the last decade.
All i'm saying is I don't think comparing Psy trance to Hardcore is fair given its initial popularity. Perhaps a better comparison is something like Drum and Bass, Garage or Bassline.
Edit: Also Trance artists like Jordan Suckley aren't just hopping on the bandwagon. He's been playing Psy-Trance since i first saw him back in 2011. Guys like Aly & Fila also play the odd track here and there and have done so for a while. Trance is one of those great genres where the Dj's actually experiment a little between playing out some of the tracks from the many sub-genres within the scene, unlike hardcore.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2017/03/07 : 21:00:28
We're working on another comp, if that helps?
Whole bunch of other stuff lined up, too.
It'll be fine 
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Samination
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Posted - 2017/03/08 : 05:22:31
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Originally posted by Rodz90:Trance is one of those great genres where the Dj's actually experiment a little between playing out some of the tracks from the many sub-genres within the scene, unlike hardcore.
Unlike Hardcore? I'm pretty sure there are as many dj's (procentage) that 'experiments' by playing similar styles/genres in they sets in both genres. I'm pretty sure even Darren Styles or Gammer have done it. Scott Brown does it all the time.
Other genre's? I'd say they are less inclined (to do?) to mix other genres into their set (or other peoples tracsk for that matter :P)
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Rodz90
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Posted - 2017/03/08 : 22:33:14
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Originally posted by Rodz90:Trance is one of those great genres where the Dj's actually experiment a little between playing out some of the tracks from the many sub-genres within the scene, unlike hardcore.
Unlike Hardcore? I'm pretty sure there are as many dj's (procentage) that 'experiments' by playing similar styles/genres in they sets in both genres. I'm pretty sure even Darren Styles or Gammer have done it. Scott Brown does it all the time.
Other genre's? I'd say they are less inclined (to do?) to mix other genres into their set (or other peoples tracsk for that matter :P)
What i mean more is that the Dj's play a wider spectrum of music from there music scene, as opposed to just stuff of the record label they are part of. Listen to a Darren Styles set, then listen to a Breeze set, then listen to a Hixxy set. Proceed to count the number of the same songs that were played in all three sets and it shouldn't be too dissimilar. A good example is the Ravers Reunited Black Party sets that were recorded, the top tier just played the same "big" tunes as opposed to any tracks from HU, or pretty much any other record label then TWR.
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Samination
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Posted - 2017/03/09 : 05:58:03
Well that's the top tier. Even tho they are idolized, they aren't the only ones around.
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DjZelous
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Posted - 2017/03/09 : 06:18:00
Well, it must be getting heard by some of the big guys in EDM, last year, Carnage dropped a gammer tune here in miami @ Ultra, and the year before that Krewella played some Breeze! i nearly shat my self :)
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