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Brian K
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 Posted - 2007/03/29 : 23:58:15
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Originally posted by Underpants:
Technically DJ stands for Disc Jockey.... sooo if u "Technically" want to be a dj u should be able to spin teh vinyl
cd = compact disc =P
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Brian K
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Posted - 2007/03/29 : 23:59:23
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We could start a new craze. Replying to year old topics :P
sounds like fun 
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/05/25 : 19:24:18
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Originally posted by Brian K:
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Originally posted by Underpants:
Technically DJ stands for Disc Jockey.... sooo if u "Technically" want to be a dj u should be able to spin teh vinyl
cd = compact disc =P
hdd = hard disc drive
anyways, officialyl, a vinyl is called either LP (EP and so on), Vinyl or Record really, and original a DJ just played records, not mixing them
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/05/25 : 21:18:49
Using the "DJ" prefix:
I'm a DJ.
I get booked at nearly every rave in my City and I play almost every weekend nowadays... However, I don't stick "DJ" in front of my name. Why? Cause if you're on a flyer or playing a rave it's clear you're a ****ing DJ - live PAs are always indicated anyways!
I've found DJs that have "DJ" in front of their name are generally noobs that can't mix yet.
What makes a DJ:
To me, you're not a DJ if you can't mix. Someone crossfading between tracks at a bar is NOT a DJ in my books. I guess he's a disc jockey but since it requires no skill he' no more of a DJ than my mother.
The BARE MINIMUM to be a DJ is to know how to beatmatch. Any DJ worth their salt that uses PCs and software like Traktor to mix knows how to beatmatch - programs can't do it properly for you in most styles and even if they did you need to know which way to correct.
However there's ALOT more to mixing than beatmatching.
First off, there's knowing WHEN to mix. You can know how to beatmatch but if you're not following structure it'll kill the flow AND sound horrible.
Secondly, you need to know how to EQ: with kickdrum stuff you can't have two basslines going at once or it'll sound like shit and probably kill the floor. You've gotta EQ stuff properly (killing lows on one track for example). There's more though, that's the bare minimum - you've gotta understand what stuff does and know that you can't have too much midrange unless you'll slow the flow and muddy up the mix.
You've also got to have a musical ear - not everyone can figure out what will sound good together. A good DJ builds his set on the fly so he has to know what will work and react to the crowd.
I think the best DJs do more than just mix out during the outro. Most of the mixes on this radio station are just outro to intro mixes with no overlaying of anything and no real creativity involved.
In my opinion the best DJs will mix tracks together to make them even better than they would be in the first place. I'm a big fan of dropping intros from a 3rd track over the mix to make it more interesting (checkout my 3 deck mix).
Almost anybody can learn to beatmatch and mix OK outro to intro but that's just lame - the good DJs are the ones that fit tracks together in a way that still flows yet adds something.
Lastly...stage presence/crowd undestanding. A good DJ gives energy to the crowd just from his presence - he's the one people came to see so he should show it. He also has to be able to read the crowd - a DJ can be amazing technically but if he's playing tracks people aren't feeling it's useless.
With all that said...a few quick opinions:
-DJs that mix in sequencing software (ie not live) are NOT "real" DJs
-DJs that mix in Traktor with an external controller ARE real DJs
-DJs that mix with a mouse and keyboard can definately NOT EQ mixes properly since they have no knobs - so they're NOT real DJs in my books
-DJs that mix on CDs are real DJs
-DJs that mix on vinyl are real DJs
-Producers are NOT always DJs so you people have to learn the difference
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/05/25 : 21:33:07
I removed the images I had of my "set", but I mix using an external so called "mp3 mixer" when I mix with Virtual DJ.
it's abit like a CDJ deck, but compact and with the "disc" parts on the controller itself
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DJ-Pure
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Posted - 2007/05/26 : 10:53:07
I've posted this in many forums and it goes like this.
DJ - Disk Jokey - Disk = Vinyl, CD.
PJ - P.C Jokey - P.C Mouse/Keyboard.
Producing is a Extra for most DJs, but now most DJ's do it, and so do the PJ's
In my eyes you're not a DJ until you touch a Deck, or a CDJ and learn the art of E.Q and Beat matching, tho you can do this on a P.C the software rights you're E.Q by a % So you're not realy doing it 100% you're self As simple as that.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2007/05/26 : 11:18:10
What makes a good dj?
Its like the tune 'keep the crowd jumping'
You just got to be able to mix well, have the timing right, play the sounds the crowd wanna hear and if the crowds wild you know u done it
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Dj Fonz
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Posted - 2007/05/26 : 11:45:11
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
I removed the images I had of my "set", but I mix using an external so called "mp3 mixer" when I mix with Virtual DJ.
it's abit like a CDJ deck, but compact and with the "disc" parts on the controller itself
Its like but it ain't, sorry to say you ain't a dj in my eyes! That kinda like saying i drive a Kai but cause its got 4 wheels it like a merc
No disrepect meant but unless you are using TT's or CDJ's then you are not a dj
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/05/26 : 13:37:50
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Originally posted by kathryn:
What makes a good dj?
Its like the tune 'keep the crowd jumping'
You just got to be able to mix well, have the timing right, play the sounds the crowd wanna hear and if the crowds wild you know u done it
this statement weights more than
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Originally posted by Dj Fonz:
No disrepect meant but unless you are using TT's or CDJ's then you are not a dj
I might not know how to select a tracklist to make the listerners jumping. anyways
Dj Fonz (if you're really a DJ yourself), I started using the DJ prefix before I really knew more about DJing like I do now. If you haven't noticed, I don't ever use the prefix 'DJ' on my site for almost 2 years now (I've changed it do PC-DJ), but I keep getting called DJ Samination when I play live here (which I dont want to). I'm originally only a guy who makes mixes
So TT and CDJ sounds more original than software. but if you dotn understand the Software, how is that compared to not knowing how to use a TT or CDJ.
TT,CDJ and PC-DJ (software) are in my eyes, equally hard to learn.
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Dj Reiko
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 Posted - 2007/05/26 : 14:17:24
In My opinion A DJ Consists Of Two Charactoristics!!
Numero Uno: An Ability 2 Mix
Numero Dos: A Skill @ scratching!!
Big Up The Big SY!!
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Also A Real DJ Sould be Able 2 Complete An Hours Set @ Least, And Keep the crowd, keep the crowd, keep the crowd Jumpin!!
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And Finally A Proper Bo DJ Sould be still using vinyls, Not The Fancy Pioneer Scratch, Wheel Mixers, & CDJ´S.
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Dj Fonz
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Posted - 2007/05/26 : 14:47:20
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
So TT and CDJ sounds more original than software. but if you dotn understand the Software, how is that compared to not knowing how to use a TT or CDJ.
TT,CDJ and PC-DJ (software) are in my eyes, equally hard to learn.
Ok so let s say they are equally as hard to learn, i doubt it but we'll go with your idea!
Also pls note i have never used pc-dj, but have tried various other software!
Once you have learned how to crate the beat grid and use the tools you have at your disposal ie. snap to beat, auto sync etc. that basically all you have to do every time to get a perfect blend, how can you go wrong? where as on TT's or CDJ's even if you have learned to beat match it is still possible to make mistakes.
Correct?
I understand there is more to djing than beat matching, but in my opinion BEING ABLE TO BEAT MATCH IS A MUST FOR ALL DJS, you do not do it so therefore i have drew my conclusion
I do not mean to disrespect you in fact if you can go and get gigs just using a computer, good luck to you and fair play i respect your game!
Maybe just cause i am a dj (i get paid to spin weekly so i think that i can call myself a dj) but if i went to a club and saw the guy in the booth using nothing more than a pc i would not be impressed! I go to club to see talent on the decks not someone clicking the mouse! F*ck for all i know you could be playing a pre made mix and just checking your email!
I asked this question twice already and am still awaiting an answer, name me a famous dj that goes to the club and uses nothing more than a pc!
If you dont use TT's or CDJ's you are either a human jukebox or at best a music programmer, but dj **** no
So if you can i would appreciate if you could answer the above question or provide pics of it happening!
No pics or proof i call bullsh*t, i eagerly await your response!
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Leto
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Posted - 2007/05/26 : 15:03:54
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Originally posted by Dj Fonz:
Once you have learned how to crate the beat grid and use the tools you have at your disposal ie. snap to beat, auto sync etc. that basically all you have to do every time to get a perfect blend, how can you go wrong? where as on TT's or CDJ's even if you have learned to beat match it is still possible to make mistakes.
Correct?
I understand there is more to djing than beat matching, but in my opinion BEING ABLE TO BEAT MATCH IS A MUST FOR ALL DJS, you do not do it so therefore i have drew my conclusion
...if i went to a club and saw the guy in the booth using nothing more than a pc i would not be impressed! I go to club to see talent on the decks not someone clicking the mouse! F*ck for all i know you could be playing a pre made mix and just checking your email!
Okay. You are correct in saying that they auto sync features and all that stuff exists. However, for hardcore tracks, it simply doesn't work at all. When I DJ using a computer, I never use those functions because they totally **** up any flow that's there.
So in a sense, a good PC-DJ does beatmatch and knows how to and does make mistakes and is not just sitting there checking his email. But, then again, I think what you've established is that the criteria for someone who is a PC-DJ to be considered a real DJ has to do with what they personally are doing and not so much with the software or whatever they're using.
I wish I could answer your question about whether or not a famous DJ just uses a PC. There were those photos of BT posted in another thread. But, I think that's irrelevant. In the end, I agree with what Dain-Ja said. If you can accomplish that, you can call yourself a DJ.
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Underloop
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Posted - 2007/05/26 : 15:55:35
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Originally posted by Dj Fonz:
I asked this question twice already and am still awaiting an answer, name me a famous dj that goes to the club and uses nothing more than a pc!
Liam Howlett?
Luke Vibert
Heard somewhere that Alex Kid has done a digital set
Theres more, these are just a few names that spring to mind.
*edit* Traktor users http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=traktor3artists_us
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/05/26 : 16:11:14
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
Using the "DJ" prefix:
I'm a DJ.
I get booked at nearly every rave in my City and I play almost every weekend nowadays... However, I don't stick "DJ" in front of my name.
Maybe not, but your name has got DJ in capital letters, are you trying to put the message over that your a DJ subliminally? 
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/05/26 : 17:58:19
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Originally posted by Dj Fonz:
I asked this question twice already and am still awaiting an answer, name me a famous dj that goes to the club and uses nothing more than a pc!
Richie Hawtin. Nuff said. The effing don of minimal techno uses his laptop.
And if you'd like a link to confirm:
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from www.ump3.de/?page_id=62
Hawtin believes the whole DJ thing is stuck in a groove. So beyond “DE9?” he is championing a new DJ system developed in Holland called Final Scratch, with Plus 8 partner John Acquaviva. Dance and Electronic music is the most technology-based genre of all, but to Hawtin’s frustration it’s still rooted in a music delivery system developed in the 19th Century: the gramophone record. Even though more and more DJs play tracks burnt onto CD, vinyl still rules because it’s easier and instinctive to control. Final Scratch links up to the normal two-turntables-and-mixer set up, but lets you play tracks stored on a laptop using a special piece of vinyl as a ?mouse’, or controller. You can access literally thousands of tracks, and scratch, cut, slow and mix them just like normal records using this special piece of vinyl. It’s nothing short of revolutionary. As Hawtin enthuses: “It feels and acts like a regular record.” He’s already using Final Scratch to play unreleased tracks by Josh Wink and Speedy J, and special re-edits of some of Hawtin’s classics and personal faves.
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