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clarke101
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 Posted - 2007/05/27 : 11:52:01
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Originally posted by Dj Fonz:
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Originally posted by clarke101:
Most people who use pc's will be using them to enable them to move on from djing to give something in between djing and a PA, more of a live performance.
Ok finally someone is starting to see sense!!
Using a laptop then and your are using it to it potential but PC-DJ **** no, that shit is lame!
I'm not starting to see sense, thank you. Sense has always been present 
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/05/27 : 11:59:51
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Now i am curious have you had any real gigs using only pc-dj? not friends or realtives private parties. Have you actually been hired by a club owner/promoter for a gig? If so details pls
I've never had the intend to make "DJing" into more than a hobby, so no
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Lilley
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Posted - 2007/05/27 : 12:49:59
Was going to get into this argument.
And then i saw the pointless of it.
BUT
If i was at a party/rave i wouldnt give a shit what medium the DJ used to present the music to the audience, rather i would be much more concerned about the quality of the mix.
This is much the same as the idiocy about not being a profesional car driver unless you drive with a manual tranny. This argument more or less fell on its knees when F1 moved to semi-auto sequential transmission. Does this mean that the likes of schumacher and raikkonen "cheat", and they are not worth of their status?
While i love driving manual, i know that i wont be able to forever as that technology wont be around in 20 or so years, giving way to its faster more efficient electronic counterparts.
If you cant accept DJ's that use the technology available to do their thing for what they are, then somehow i think you will be in the small minority of "professional DJ's" somewhat into the future as i dont believe the old turntable technology will be accepted as the norm for too many years, making way for the more convenient and cheaper technological advances.
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Edited by - Lilley on 2007/05/27 12:50:35 |
djscorch
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Posted - 2007/05/27 : 13:08:37
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Originally posted by milo:
once you have a crew of ho's willing to say you're a wicked DJ, you're a DJ
Damn, that's where i've been going wrong!
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Lilley
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Posted - 2007/05/27 : 13:31:37
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Originally posted by djscorch:
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Originally posted by milo:
once you have a crew of ho's willing to say you're a wicked DJ, you're a DJ
Damn, that's where i've been going wrong!
well i had that part right. the only problem was they wouldnt say shit unless i paid them. the complication came when i realised i was flat broke.
so i not a dj yet, but stay tuned! sumhow i came out of the weekend with more money than i went into it with
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Dj Fonz
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Posted - 2007/05/27 : 13:59:59
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Originally posted by Lilley:
This is much the same as the idiocy about not being a profesional car driver unless you drive with a manual tranny. This argument more or less fell on its knees when F1 moved to semi-auto sequential transmission. Does this mean that the likes of schumacher and raikkonen "cheat", and they are not worth of their status?
WTF? Were talking about djing here i understand what you were getting at byt damn
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Dj Fonz
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Posted - 2007/05/27 : 14:05:51
@underloop
Think maybe you missed my point, tell me this, someone using ableton like your friend or someone using traktor as you do. Do you class that the same as you would class some one using a basic program to simply mix tracks?
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Underloop
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Posted - 2007/05/27 : 15:44:51
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Originally posted by Dj Fonz:
@underloop
Think maybe you missed my point, tell me this, someone using ableton like your friend or someone using traktor as you do. Do you class that the same as you would class some one using a basic program to simply mix tracks?
Sorry, I thought you were trying to say that you can't class somebody who plays out froma laptop/computer a DJ.
As for your question, it depends. Would you class someone playing a Gibson Les Paul a better guitarist than someone playing an Encore guitar they bought from argos for £50?
Bringing it back into DJ-land, what about a DJ playing on belt drives rather than Technics?
The point I am and have been trying to make is that it doesn't matter what tools you use, its the end result that matters.
I would have more respect for the DJ that played a blinding set on a freeware DJ program (see previous clause regarding auto-bpm lol) than another DJ that played a mediocre set using Traktor or CDJs or Technics.
Another example. Don't know if you have ever seen that group of performers who make rhythms out of everyday objects. They'll strap oildrums to their feet and dance around, or use broom handles and make some amazing rhythms. Are they more or less impressive than, for instance, the displays the Armed Forces put on with their marching and drums and stuff?
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roundhead711
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Posted - 2007/05/27 : 18:21:58
Producers make songs and Dj's mix songs. Its suprising how little people know about this because most of the time if a dj plays a song that he didnt make he'll still take the credit because most people don't know any better.
like last years HH awards styles won best DJ this was shokin because there is a best producers category which he actually won and deserved to, but he certainly isnt the best dj (kevin energy imo :))
which is why 99% of the people on this site hate Rankin.
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Cotts
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Posted - 2007/05/28 : 12:09:28
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Originally posted by roundhead711:
Producers make songs and Dj's mix songs. Its suprising how little people know about this because most of the time if a dj plays a song that he didnt make he'll still take the credit because most people don't know any better.
like last years HH awards styles won best DJ this was shokin because there is a best producers category which he actually won and deserved to, but he certainly isnt the best dj (kevin energy imo :))
which is why 99% of the people on this site hate Rankin.
That post kind of half made sense....
Anyway, I know this is a never ending arguement as there is no Definitive line 'to be a dj'. Again you could draw many examples such as the race car driver one mentioned earlier, it is more or less up to the individuals perception.
For me personally I think Djing (I prefer to call it mixing) is really all about producing a quality set, especially in hardcore music its preferable to keep the energy up and to almost 'know' what people want to hear.
When you can stand up, play something which really brings the energy to a party or even an individual I think thats when you really hit the dj status (again I disagree with that comment also, its hard to explain).
this quote from wikipedia is quite good:
"A club disc jockey is one that selects and plays music in a club setting. The setting can range anywhere from a neighborhood party or a small club to a disco, a rave, or even a stadium.
The main focus of club DJs is on the music they play. They build their sets by choosing tracks to control the energy level of the crowd and use beatmixing (or "beatmatching") technique for seamless transition between tracks."
Ignore the word club in there by the way, but I think its a good example of the aim of a dj
"They build their sets by choosing tracks to control the energy level of the crowd" - And I think that is the primary aim...
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Henrik K.
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Posted - 2007/05/28 : 18:02:09
if people think of you as a dj, you have genuine skillz no matter what u use and u play regularely at raves/clubs or on the radio then u are a dj
i don't think that if u mix at home for run with a pc or whatever makes u dj. You're just on the way to become one. There are so many wannabes out there who think that they just can become a dj over night but they even don't know the basic aspects of mixing. I've been mixing for a few years now. I have put a lot of time and effort on training, also spent huge amounts of money on records and equipment so i can practise to get to a level so my mixing skills are good enough and i don't embarace myself when some real proffessional dj happens to listen to my mix. So it a bit pisses me off when i see(hear) people use illegal downloads or illegal software or just these everyone can be a dj software with auto bpm that helps u get and keep bpm syncronized, auto cue, auto gain etc., together whit shitty tracklists with no flow and titel themselves as dj's. I understand using a pc when u have reached the limit of cd decks or turntables and u want to make u'r mix more interesting and unique by adding samples, loops, effects etc. But hey this is only my oppinion
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Dj Fonz
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Posted - 2007/05/28 : 18:31:53
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Originally posted by Henrik K.:
if people think of you as a dj, you have genuine skillz no matter what u use and u play regularely at raves/clubs or on the radio then u are a dj
i don't think that if u mix at home for run with a pc or whatever makes u dj. You're just on the way to become one. There are so many wannabes out there who think that they just can become a dj over night but they even don't know the basic aspects of mixing. I've been mixing for a few years now. I have put a lot of time and effort on training, also spent huge amounts of money on records and equipment so i can practise to get to a level so my mixing skills are good enough and i don't embarace myself when some real proffessional dj happens to listen to my mix. So it a bit pisses me off when i see(hear) people use illegal downloads or illegal software or just these everyone can be a dj software with auto bpm that helps u get and keep bpm syncronized, auto cue, auto gain etc., together whit shitty tracklists with no flow and titel themselves as dj's. I understand using a pc when u have reached the limit of cd decks or turntables and u want to make u'r mix more interesting and unique by adding samples, loops, effects etc. But hey this is only my oppinion
Spot on mate! At last someone that understands what i have been saying:)
Although i must admit when i am building my overviews in serato i use the auto gain function:P
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/05/28 : 22:29:17
who said we didnt understand you Fonz? We just don't agree with your opinion that is
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