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Vladel
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 Posted - 2008/10/29 : 17:21:41
Well i got into hardcore in 1996 and in the next 3 years it kinda went to the toilet until we had "the death".
10 years on we have classics albums with the same tracks and 2007/2008 has been a slow year compared to 2005/2006 which were awesome for tracks/cds to be honest. I have to wonder i we are about to see a similar occurence within the scene creatively where producers hit a black hole. There have been a few things to suggest this and i hope it doesn't happen. I can't help but wonder tho
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 17:25:27
any time soon, the usual clique grandpas (dougal, sy, hixxy etc) are clinging on tight so they just churn out useless cd's. it's not helping the scene at all
it's time for that group of fools (and ok, they weren't fools in the 90s but they are now) to STEP A **** THE SIDE. let the kids take over.
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catjam
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 18:11:21
**** off darren styles
I couldnt agree more with that statement,its shit like that...that puts people of the
scene before they even get into it...
i was going to raves here in scotland from about 1992/93 till about 1998
and in about 96/97 they were really trying to ram the dj`s mentioned above
down our throats..
more & more were getin added to line-ups..but the more that got added
the more the crowds droped...
you see scotland was different from england except the north
the majority here was into gabba or the bouncy techno in between gaaba style
but promoters were always trying to change it....
i remember poor dj rap..got booked for a "REZ" event i was at
and she got boo`d off..and her set was stopped after about 15 min..
But that wasn`t her fault...it was bad booking..
i mean booking a jungle dj to play at the rez in scotland was a ridiculas idea
just another example of bad booking and promoters trying
to change the scene here and be different..
The scene was there...it was buzzin...it was thriving
"IF ITS NOT BROKE THEN DON`T FIX IT"
my 2 cents...lol
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tru bass
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 18:24:53
hardcore undergroud 3, bonkers 19 coming out on AATW, clubland xtreme 5
how can you say its gonna hit the rocks... more and more undergroud talent is coming through, just check the last few cd's that have been released.
hardcore nation: next generation, hardcore addiction...
can you get anymore underground and fresh than that!
new people are popping up constantly and the commercialisation has lead to people wanting to know more about our scene..
the future in my eyes looks very bright..
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 18:33:32
quote:
Originally posted by catjam:
**** off darren styles
I couldnt agree more with that statement,its shit like that...that puts people of the
scene before they even get into it...
i was going to raves here in scotland from about 1992/93 till about 1998
and in about 96/97 they were really trying to ram the dj`s mentioned above
down our throats..
more & more were getin added to line-ups..but the more that got added
the more the crowds droped...
you see scotland was different from england except the north
the majority here was into gabba or the bouncy techno in between gaaba style
but promoters were always trying to change it....
i remember poor dj rap..got booked for a "REZ" event i was at
and she got boo`d off..and her set was stopped after about 15 min..
But that wasn`t her fault...it was bad booking..
i mean booking a jungle dj to play at the rez in scotland was a ridiculas idea
just another example of bad booking and promoters trying
to change the scene here and be different..
The scene was there...it was buzzin...it was thriving
"IF ITS NOT BROKE THEN DON`T FIX IT"
my 2 cents...lol
On wikipedia it said that DJ Kid, a Scottish breakbeat artist had objects thrown at him! I know until about 95 England was breakbeat, either Happy or Jungle/ DnB while Scotland it was 'Bouncy Techno' or Dutch Gabber. American artists had close ties with the Scottish/ Dutch scene as well so you had the likes of Lenny Dee playing at raves such as Rez! The only main place in Englad to play Scottish/ Dutch stuff on a large scale before 1995 was Newcastle where Rez began!
After 95 alot of English artists moved away from breakbeat towards the Scottish & Dutch trends but keeping it cheesy which is how Hardcore evolved alot through the 90s.
Im English (very southern) but chose the Scottish style as it is harder but there was alot of good English stuff at the same time, it gets to cheesy for me these days! I im getting into Dutch Gabber more & more (as far back as 1992!)
I think England owned the UK rave scene in the late '80s early '90s but Scotland toke over about 1995ish!
Btw, catjam, your mixes are good! Shame I was raving with you up in Scotland back in those days lol
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 18:50:21
Eh.
We get one of these topics every few weeks/months and someone always seems to say "yeah, its going to collapse soon" well **** ya, it hasnt yet has it.
More CDs being released, more artists coming through - commercialisation, the scene is getting bigger.
How the **** is it going to collapse all of a sudden exactly?
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Watson.
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 19:54:53
I'd certainly say the scene needs a boot up the arse. It's all fine and well stating that the underground scene is strong etc, but the problem for me is that the bigger DJ's are the ones that drag the scene, not the underground DJ's. They are dragging it the wrong way IMO, and face alienating people from the scene. This might not be a bad thing. Perhaps another 99-01 style crash would give Hardcore the boot up the backside it needs. It's called Hardcore because it's meant to be hard. It's not supposed to sound like sped up commercial dance!
I'd agree with 95_was_the_time (crikey), we need to give more exposure to the new and fresh talent rather than let Styles and Hixxy drag the scene in what I believe is the wrong way.
I've only been listening to Hardcore fr about 4 years, I've noticed a definite dip in overall quality since then.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 20:01:18
I seriously doubt we'll see a 99-00 style "dip" anytime soon.
Why? Whilst I seriously doubt the current commercial album/event setup is sustainable, the disinterest/contempt for new and proven talent by some the existing major players has forced self sufficiency. A happy by-product, indeed. ( Every cloud?  )
In '99 when people were playing the same tunes ad nauseum, and not even showcasing their own later wares, there was a defecit of alternatives. The same is *not* true at the moment. Indeed, I think it will only take a minor "dip" to bring the future to the forefront where it belongs.
IMHO, YMMV yada.
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 20:07:52
snooze a ****in thon. the only people draggin the scene down is people makin threads like this. theres plenty of quality hardcore around.
dont like hardcore? **** off 2 another genre, its as simple as that. hardcore dusnt need people like u
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 21:01:33
quote:
Originally posted by Watson.:
I'd certainly say the scene needs a boot up the arse. It's all fine and well stating that the underground scene is strong etc, but the problem for me is that the bigger DJ's are the ones that drag the scene, not the underground DJ's. They are dragging it the wrong way IMO, and face alienating people from the scene. This might not be a bad thing. Perhaps another 99-01 style crash would give Hardcore the boot up the backside it needs. It's called Hardcore because it's meant to be hard. It's not supposed to sound like sped up commercial dance!
I'd agree with 95_was_the_time (crikey), we need to give more exposure to the new and fresh talent rather than let Styles and Hixxy drag the scene in what I believe is the wrong way.
I've only been listening to Hardcore fr about 4 years, I've noticed a definite dip in overall quality since then.
What exactly do you mea by "WE" need to give the new talents more exposure? they can expose themselves all they want and i'll listen to them, but if they've got the talent and creativity for it, their popularity will come in time. Besides, I won't stop listening to my favourite artists because I want some new ones.
The "bigger dj's" are pulling the scene forward because they have been there longer and have more influence on the scene. That makes perfect sense to me, but it doesn't prevent other artists from making a breakthrough, which happens all the time.
You're saying hardcore isn't supposed to sound a certain way. I say, luckily for us Hardcore isn't supposed to sound one certain way more than another, and the diversity is there to prove it. Now, about Hardcore sounding like sped-up commercial dance, thats nothing new! I fell in love with early 2000's Hardcore first, and what got me hooked where the synth/piano riffs and sped-up diva vocals, all taken directly from 90's eurodance. It might not be your case, but then again Hardcore is a very varied genre and is likely to appeal to different people for different reasons.
Four years ago, when you started listening to Hardcore, a lot of people were already complaining about a drop in quality of Hardcore. Then again, 10 years ago, a lot of people were complaining about a drop of quality in hardcore. ALL THIS TIME, 95_was_the_time has been complaining about a drop in quality of hardcore. but in the end, there has never really been a drop in quality of Hardcore music, has it? All I see is people getting tired of Hardcore, and wish it would stay the exact same as when they first fell in love with it. That doesn't sound interesting to me at least!
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Mortis
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 21:20:44
quote:
Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
but in the end, there has never really been a drop in quality of Hardcore music, has it?
While I agree with alot of your post I disagree with this point. Having been a fan from 95-present I can say without a shadow of a doubt in my opinion the quality of music dropped dramticlly late 99' to roughly 2002.
As for hardcore hitting the rocks again, well listen to CD Jay - this guy knows what he's talking about. In my opinion alot of people (myself included) moan about new stuff because as you get older and you music taste matures you tend to go down the "I've heard it all before" route. It's not that the music itself is getting stale and "hitting the rocks" it's just your music taste changes.
I can't see hardcore music having a near total collapse like it did back in 99', their are far more producers within the scene than 99' and far more people now have access to the tools needed to create hardcore music, which back in 99' was not really the case.
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 21:30:48
i guess that all depends on wether people continue to insist on using Vanguard. shit cant sound all the same forever...
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2008/10/29 : 21:31:30
quote:
Originally posted by Mortis:
As for hardcore hitting the rocks again, well listen to CD Jay - this guy knows what he's talking about. In my opinion alot of people (myself included) moan about new stuff because as you get older and you music taste matures you tend to go down the "I've heard it all before" route. It's not that the music itself is getting stale and "hitting the rocks" it's just your music taste changes.
I can't see hardcore music having a near total collapse like it did back in 99', their are far more producers within the scene than 99' and far more people now have access to the tools needed to create hardcore music, which back in 99' was not really the case.
Good points there. My music tastes have changed alot of the last few years & always favoured the older stuff which I missed out on back then. I think it is going to be popular for a few years but it could give way to something new! Lets have some harder stuff, not Nu Style Gabber, I mean stuff that sounds like Hardcore!
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kathryn
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 09:43:02
quote:
Originally posted by Watson.:
I'd certainly say the scene needs a boot up the arse. It's all fine and well stating that the underground scene is strong etc, but the problem for me is that the bigger DJ's are the ones that drag the scene, not the underground DJ's. They are dragging it the wrong way IMO, and face alienating people from the scene. This might not be a bad thing. Perhaps another 99-01 style crash would give Hardcore the boot up the backside it needs. It's called Hardcore because it's meant to be hard. It's not supposed to sound like sped up commercial dance!
I'd agree with 95_was_the_time (crikey), we need to give more exposure to the new and fresh talent rather than let Styles and Hixxy drag the scene in what I believe is the wrong way.
I've only been listening to Hardcore fr about 4 years, I've noticed a definite dip in overall quality since then.
4 years so really ya dont know what ya talking bout these dj's been round for years mate.
I have been listening to hardcore since 91 so av definetly noticed it rise fall and rise again.
I do prefer the older stuff sont get me wrong so i rather listen to that now than all this music coming out that dosent really appeal to me.
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korstes
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 14:25:58
I Love Hardcore......Like i did when i 1st fell in love with it nearly 10yrs ago!
Enough said!
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pinkdevil16
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Posted - 2008/10/30 : 14:43:50
well i only got into hardcore last year and i already have a pile of cds up to my bedroom celling and yeah i love the old stuf but i think that new hardcore is great aswel.
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