whittle1 Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,191 posts Joined: Jan, 2005
25 hardcore releases
Posted - 2009/05/14 : 16:13:24
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
I don't mind doing things for money, but my rule is it should never be JUST for money. Money is important - to pretend it isn't is silly, and artists deserve to get paid for their work the same as an accountant or a bricklayer. The difference is, an artist is motivated to do the art first, the money second. In this case, I would have had to sacrifice what I pretentiously call my art, for money. For me, it wasn't worth it. Others may disagree, and that is their right, of course. It always comes down to a question of your own personal integrity, and where you draw the line, and for each person its different.
I wouldn't be suprised if artists like Hixxy and Sharkey aren't motivated anymore. These people have been in the gig for over a decade - it's no suprise if they have fallen out of love with hardcore... It's quite clear they're in the game for money. So for you to come out with that statement Luna-C at least restores my faith in some of the hardcore writers and producers of present.
Luna-C Average Member
United Kingdom
222 posts Joined: Dec, 2004
Posted - 2009/05/14 : 18:08:26
I think a general sort of malaise can effect hardcore artists - or any artists of any type, painter, sculptor, whatever - when they have been doing it for a long time. Its tough, because you love the music, but you get distracted by business and all the things that you have to deal with to be able to make the music available in the first place.
I would defend both Hixxy and Sharkey. I have known Hixxy for over 10 years, and although we are not best friends or anything, his heart is in the right place even if the business side of things has kind of taken over for him. HTID cant help but crush some people simply because its so big. I would compare HTID to an elephant in the jungle - it might kill some mice, but it isn't anti-mice, its just too big to see them. Not a very good analogy, but the best I have right now lol.
I don't believe for a second that Hixxy does anything to deliberately damage other people, and a lot of what he does is good for the scene, even if its not something I personally like or am involved with - eg, I don't like a lot of Raver Baby tracks, but that doesn't make them bad, just not to my taste is all.
And Sharkey has always been very enthusiastic about music and pushing things forward, very open to new ideas and taking chances.
Having said that, I know from experience that sometimes you end up somewhere you didn't anticipate and aren't that comfortable with. For myself, I don't think Sesame's Treet ever represented what I wanted to do with hardcore. Kniteforce did, but by 1996 I was on autopilot and just banging out tracks to a formula. If you asked me in 1996 did I love hardcore, I would have said yes, of course. But I was tired, and my music got...stale. I just didn't know what else to do - I had been making hardcore and involved with the scene since 1990, and it was my life. Sometimes life gets shitty as we all know, and this effects musicians as much, if not more, than an accountant for example. An accountant deals with fixed elements, an artist has to bring things from his soul (bleugh, I hate the way that sounds, but you know what I mean).
I think a lot of the current big names are in that place, where they autopilot without knowing it. Its very hard to recognize thats what you are doing, and harder still to make a change. My response was to sulk, and stop making hardcore music in protest lol. Hence me doing D'n'B for a while, then nothing for a while longer, before KFA came back. That experience taught me caution, and to be aware of my own personal needs if I am to keep functioning in this scene and making music that I love. It allowed me to turn down a lucrative deal like the Bonkers offer because it would have been bad for me despite the cash. It wasn't a "I wont sell out" decision, it was a selfish need to preserve my ability to make the music I love.
It is also why I recently put my music up for free, and am in the process of putting up all the samples to my releases. It forces me not to rest on my past success. If I keep remixing Six Days and Piano Progression, I will be sure to make money, but I would go crazy lol. This way, I don't have a choice, I am forced to progress, which is what I need to keep interested in the music.
I have often thought the best thing that could happen to hardcore would be for all the people who have been in the scene over 10 years to just stop making music. It would allow new and fresh blood to come through and revitalize it. Never going to happen of course, but I wonder what that would be like :o)
benyboybob New Member
United Kingdom
20 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/05/14 : 18:22:39
Got it today, one of the crappiest hardcore compilations Iv'e ever heard and without a doubt the crappiest bonkers I have ever heard.
I am even more disappointed then I thought I was going to be and I set the bar pretty low...
HU3 is superior, better tracks, better mixing and even better packaging.
Bonkers4Life Advanced Member
Canada
972 posts Joined: Apr, 2009
Posted - 2009/05/14 : 23:24:12
quote:Originally posted by benyboybob:
Got it today, one of the crappiest hardcore compilations Iv'e ever heard and without a doubt the crappiest bonkers I have ever heard.
I am even more disappointed then I thought I was going to be and I set the bar pretty low...
HU3 is superior, better tracks, better mixing and even better packaging.
The DJs and AATW should be ashamed in my opinion.
ah come on, its not the worst, there has been worse
Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts Joined: May, 2004
341 hardcore releases
Posted - 2009/05/14 : 23:33:07
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
I think a general sort of malaise can effect hardcore artists - or any artists of any type, painter, sculptor, whatever - when they have been doing it for a long time. Its tough, because you love the music, but you get distracted by business and all the things that you have to deal with to be able to make the music available in the first place.
I would defend both Hixxy and Sharkey. I have known Hixxy for over 10 years, and although we are not best friends or anything, his heart is in the right place even if the business side of things has kind of taken over for him. HTID cant help but crush some people simply because its so big. I would compare HTID to an elephant in the jungle - it might kill some mice, but it isn't anti-mice, its just too big to see them. Not a very good analogy, but the best I have right now lol.
I don't believe for a second that Hixxy does anything to deliberately damage other people, and a lot of what he does is good for the scene, even if its not something I personally like or am involved with - eg, I don't like a lot of Raver Baby tracks, but that doesn't make them bad, just not to my taste is all.
And Sharkey has always been very enthusiastic about music and pushing things forward, very open to new ideas and taking chances.
Having said that, I know from experience that sometimes you end up somewhere you didn't anticipate and aren't that comfortable with. For myself, I don't think Sesame's Treet ever represented what I wanted to do with hardcore. Kniteforce did, but by 1996 I was on autopilot and just banging out tracks to a formula. If you asked me in 1996 did I love hardcore, I would have said yes, of course. But I was tired, and my music got...stale. I just didn't know what else to do - I had been making hardcore and involved with the scene since 1990, and it was my life. Sometimes life gets shitty as we all know, and this effects musicians as much, if not more, than an accountant for example. An accountant deals with fixed elements, an artist has to bring things from his soul (bleugh, I hate the way that sounds, but you know what I mean).
I think a lot of the current big names are in that place, where they autopilot without knowing it. Its very hard to recognize thats what you are doing, and harder still to make a change. My response was to sulk, and stop making hardcore music in protest lol. Hence me doing D'n'B for a while, then nothing for a while longer, before KFA came back. That experience taught me caution, and to be aware of my own personal needs if I am to keep functioning in this scene and making music that I love. It allowed me to turn down a lucrative deal like the Bonkers offer because it would have been bad for me despite the cash. It wasn't a "I wont sell out" decision, it was a selfish need to preserve my ability to make the music I love.
It is also why I recently put my music up for free, and am in the process of putting up all the samples to my releases. It forces me not to rest on my past success. If I keep remixing Six Days and Piano Progression, I will be sure to make money, but I would go crazy lol. This way, I don't have a choice, I am forced to progress, which is what I need to keep interested in the music.
I have often thought the best thing that could happen to hardcore would be for all the people who have been in the scene over 10 years to just stop making music. It would allow new and fresh blood to come through and revitalize it. Never going to happen of course, but I wonder what that would be like :o)
Now that's a post worth reading. I really wish more people involved hardcore would speak like this. Maybe it would stop us internet moaners from slagging everyone off under the sun because they made a track we didn't like.
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The Doc Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,718 posts Joined: Jan, 2006
Posted - 2009/05/14 : 23:52:23
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
I think a general sort of malaise can effect hardcore artists - or any artists of any type, painter, sculptor, whatever - when they have been doing it for a long time. Its tough, because you love the music, but you get distracted by business and all the things that you have to deal with to be able to make the music available in the first place.
I would defend both Hixxy and Sharkey. I have known Hixxy for over 10 years, and although we are not best friends or anything, his heart is in the right place even if the business side of things has kind of taken over for him. HTID cant help but crush some people simply because its so big. I would compare HTID to an elephant in the jungle - it might kill some mice, but it isn't anti-mice, its just too big to see them. Not a very good analogy, but the best I have right now lol.
I don't believe for a second that Hixxy does anything to deliberately damage other people, and a lot of what he does is good for the scene, even if its not something I personally like or am involved with - eg, I don't like a lot of Raver Baby tracks, but that doesn't make them bad, just not to my taste is all.
And Sharkey has always been very enthusiastic about music and pushing things forward, very open to new ideas and taking chances.
Having said that, I know from experience that sometimes you end up somewhere you didn't anticipate and aren't that comfortable with. For myself, I don't think Sesame's Treet ever represented what I wanted to do with hardcore. Kniteforce did, but by 1996 I was on autopilot and just banging out tracks to a formula. If you asked me in 1996 did I love hardcore, I would have said yes, of course. But I was tired, and my music got...stale. I just didn't know what else to do - I had been making hardcore and involved with the scene since 1990, and it was my life. Sometimes life gets shitty as we all know, and this effects musicians as much, if not more, than an accountant for example. An accountant deals with fixed elements, an artist has to bring things from his soul (bleugh, I hate the way that sounds, but you know what I mean).
I think a lot of the current big names are in that place, where they autopilot without knowing it. Its very hard to recognize thats what you are doing, and harder still to make a change. My response was to sulk, and stop making hardcore music in protest lol. Hence me doing D'n'B for a while, then nothing for a while longer, before KFA came back. That experience taught me caution, and to be aware of my own personal needs if I am to keep functioning in this scene and making music that I love. It allowed me to turn down a lucrative deal like the Bonkers offer because it would have been bad for me despite the cash. It wasn't a "I wont sell out" decision, it was a selfish need to preserve my ability to make the music I love.
It is also why I recently put my music up for free, and am in the process of putting up all the samples to my releases. It forces me not to rest on my past success. If I keep remixing Six Days and Piano Progression, I will be sure to make money, but I would go crazy lol. This way, I don't have a choice, I am forced to progress, which is what I need to keep interested in the music.
I have often thought the best thing that could happen to hardcore would be for all the people who have been in the scene over 10 years to just stop making music. It would allow new and fresh blood to come through and revitalize it. Never going to happen of course, but I wonder what that would be like :o)
This new Bonkers album makes me laugh with all the coments made (I haven't got a copy but will buy it when its cheap) It reminds me of when the original came out and I refused to buy it because it had loads of tracks on it that I'd heard loads of times before! I really hated the happy hardcore music at the time, It appealed to the chavs ect! And no we are full circle again!
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jurkakm New Member
Estonia
21 posts Joined: Dec, 2008
Posted - 2009/05/15 : 08:38:12
Well i gotta say its better than clubland x-treme hardcore vol 5. Just my opinion tough.
At first i was expecting it to be pretty match total crap put there actually was some pretty good tunes in there.
But yeah, comparing to older bonkers, its nowhere close.
Sulphurik Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,015 posts Joined: Jan, 2009
Posted - 2009/05/15 : 11:06:45
Well Sharkey's mix is actually good, there's really only 3/4 tunes I didn't like; Jumpin, Posse, Up to da wildstyle - not a fan of Higher state of consciousness so didn't like this. Superb remixes of Jump 2 da groove and Today's the day. The part after the piano section in Jump 2 da groove with the laser type sounds was a bit special! When Tears Fall, some pretty cool sounds in it too. Also liked Kevin Energy's remixes of Never say die and Slippery Disco.
Chris Unknown's: I suppose was alright but quite a bit of cheese, I've had pizzas with less cheese! Come Together is a great tune; This might be Sy & Unknown feat: Grant Paterson? - Sy's name is in the track details. Scott Brown's remix is great and the Pilgrim remix was ok. Is this by Sy & Unknown? Parts of it sound like their style from a few years back. Also liking the Alabama remixes, If you believe and Bring you down.
I thought Hixxy's mix could have had a better selection of tunes from the last 5/6 years and better tunes that he's done.
SPOOX Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,644 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/05/15 : 13:50:34
Here is my official review:
Sharkey Mix
1: Crap (Guitar & male vocals. This isn't Hardcore)
2: Crap (Male vocals again)
3: Slightly above average.
4: Below average (More crappy male vocals)
5: Decent choon. Quite like this.
6: Decent choon. Maybe prefer this to the original.
7: Average.
8: Above Average.
9: Average.
10: Crap (More male vocals)
11: Decent choon. Like this too.
12: Decent choon. Like this one.
13: Decent choon. Best choon on this disc.
14: Average. Quite surprised. Not bad seeing as i hate Scooter.
15: Average.
16: Decent choon.
17: Above average.
18: Average.
19: Average.
Chris Unknown Mix
1: Decent choon.
2: Above average.
3: Crap (Guitar & male vocals)
4: Decent choon.
5: Decent choon.
6: Decent choon. Nice strange sounding sample.
7: Average.
8: Decent choon.
9: Crap (Male vocals again)
10: Slightly above average.
11: Decent choon.
12: Decent choon.
13: Average.
14: Decent choon. Sounds like The Collective - Kick It in places. Best choon on disc.
15: Decent choon.
16: Slightly above average.
17: Below average. (Crappy male vocals)
18: Below average. (Crappy male vocals)
Hixxy Mix
1: Average.
2: Average.
3: Average. Pretty boring Remix.
4: Slightly above average.
5: Average. Top choon just don't really like this Remix.
6: Average.
7: Crap (Guitar & Male vocals)
8: Average.
9: Slightly above average.
10: Average.
11: Crap. Bloody male vocals again make me wanna puke.
12: Average.
13: Decent choon. Best choon on disc
14: Average.
15: Decent choon. Always liked this.
16: Slightly above average. About the only choon i don't mind with male vocals.
17: Very average.
Not a bad album. Better than i thought it was gonna be. Chris Unknown's disc is the best of the 3.
SPOOX Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,644 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/05/15 : 14:11:05
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
I think a general sort of malaise can effect hardcore artists - or any artists of any type, painter, sculptor, whatever - when they have been doing it for a long time. Its tough, because you love the music, but you get distracted by business and all the things that you have to deal with to be able to make the music available in the first place.
I would defend both Hixxy and Sharkey. I have known Hixxy for over 10 years, and although we are not best friends or anything, his heart is in the right place even if the business side of things has kind of taken over for him. HTID cant help but crush some people simply because its so big. I would compare HTID to an elephant in the jungle - it might kill some mice, but it isn't anti-mice, its just too big to see them. Not a very good analogy, but the best I have right now lol.
I don't believe for a second that Hixxy does anything to deliberately damage other people, and a lot of what he does is good for the scene, even if its not something I personally like or am involved with - eg, I don't like a lot of Raver Baby tracks, but that doesn't make them bad, just not to my taste is all.
And Sharkey has always been very enthusiastic about music and pushing things forward, very open to new ideas and taking chances.
Having said that, I know from experience that sometimes you end up somewhere you didn't anticipate and aren't that comfortable with. For myself, I don't think Sesame's Treet ever represented what I wanted to do with hardcore. Kniteforce did, but by 1996 I was on autopilot and just banging out tracks to a formula. If you asked me in 1996 did I love hardcore, I would have said yes, of course. But I was tired, and my music got...stale. I just didn't know what else to do - I had been making hardcore and involved with the scene since 1990, and it was my life. Sometimes life gets shitty as we all know, and this effects musicians as much, if not more, than an accountant for example. An accountant deals with fixed elements, an artist has to bring things from his soul (bleugh, I hate the way that sounds, but you know what I mean).
I think a lot of the current big names are in that place, where they autopilot without knowing it. Its very hard to recognize thats what you are doing, and harder still to make a change. My response was to sulk, and stop making hardcore music in protest lol. Hence me doing D'n'B for a while, then nothing for a while longer, before KFA came back. That experience taught me caution, and to be aware of my own personal needs if I am to keep functioning in this scene and making music that I love. It allowed me to turn down a lucrative deal like the Bonkers offer because it would have been bad for me despite the cash. It wasn't a "I wont sell out" decision, it was a selfish need to preserve my ability to make the music I love.
It is also why I recently put my music up for free, and am in the process of putting up all the samples to my releases. It forces me not to rest on my past success. If I keep remixing Six Days and Piano Progression, I will be sure to make money, but I would go crazy lol. This way, I don't have a choice, I am forced to progress, which is what I need to keep interested in the music.
I have often thought the best thing that could happen to hardcore would be for all the people who have been in the scene over 10 years to just stop making music. It would allow new and fresh blood to come through and revitalize it. Never going to happen of course, but I wonder what that would be like :o)
Now that's a post worth reading. I really wish more people involved hardcore would speak like this. Maybe it would stop us internet moaners from slagging everyone off under the sun because they made a track we didn't like.
Agreed. Well worth reading very nicely put by Luna-C.
acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,000 posts Joined: Apr, 2008
Posted - 2009/05/15 : 15:13:28
quote:Originally posted by SPOOX: Here is my official review:
Sharkey Mix
1: Crap (Guitar & male vocals. This isn't Hardcore)
2: Crap (Male vocals again)
3: Slightly above average.
4: Below average (More crappy male vocals)
5: Decent choon. Quite like this.
6: Decent choon. Maybe prefer this to the original.
7: Average.
8: Above Average.
9: Average.
10: Crap (More male vocals)
11: Decent choon. Like this too.
12: Decent choon. Like this one.
13: Decent choon. Best choon on this disc.
14: Average. Quite surprised. Not bad seeing as i hate Scooter.
15: Average.
16: Decent choon.
17: Above average.
18: Average.
19: Average.
Chris Unknown Mix
1: Decent choon.
2: Above average.
3: Crap (Guitar & male vocals)
4: Decent choon.
5: Decent choon.
6: Decent choon. Nice strange sounding sample.
7: Average.
8: Decent choon.
9: Crap (Male vocals again)
10: Slightly above average.
11: Decent choon.
12: Decent choon.
13: Average.
14: Decent choon. Sounds like The Collective - Kick It in places. Best choon on disc.
15: Decent choon.
16: Slightly above average.
17: Below average. (Crappy male vocals)
18: Below average. (Crappy male vocals)
Hixxy Mix
1: Average.
2: Average.
3: Average. Pretty boring Remix.
4: Slightly above average.
5: Average. Top choon just don't really like this Remix.
6: Average.
7: Crap (Guitar & Male vocals)
8: Average.
9: Slightly above average.
10: Average.
11: Crap. Bloody male vocals again make me wanna puke.
12: Average.
13: Decent choon. Best choon on disc
14: Average.
15: Decent choon. Always liked this.
16: Slightly above average. About the only choon i don't mind with male vocals.
17: Very average.
Not a bad album. Better than i thought it was gonna be. Chris Unknown's disc is the best of the 3.
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