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Watson.
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 Posted - 2009/05/12 : 22:49:00
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Originally posted by Trimms:
You're all babies. Get over it. Hardcore is moving on, deal with it. The whole first disc is beautiful but it's not good enough, because "OMG A SCOOTER REMIX? NO WAIT 2!?!?! I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!" for ****'s sake, 2 tracks you don't like? Skip them. Hixxy's mix? It will be AMAZING for the newcomers, I mean just look at how epic the tracklist is, whether you have the songs already or not, it is bound to draw new people in.
And with the history bit inside the booklet Clubland ravers are bound to go back and buy more Bonkers. It's a good thing for the scene. These songs are produced so well... it's like, "oh my god, this song's vocals are SO catchy, and that riff is just amazing! But wait! This is AATW? I can't like it! I must hate it! God Sharkey you're such a fine producer, but this... no! NO! Not that it's anything different, it's just the same stuff you've been doing all along, but now you're on AATW? Well I must hate you then. And wow Unknown, that's a damn catchy track. That would get everyone going at a rave! But wait, you've never made a gabber or freeform track? And what's this... AATW? **** you Unknown!"
^ Okay this was a bit of an exaggeration but still, it's how some of you are reacting. Just enjoy hardcore for what it is. Whether you like it or not, Clubland Hardcore IS hardcore, just as any other album is. Please remove yourself from your narrow-minded bubble of "underground core" and realize that the only way our scene will be successful is if we embrace all types of music within it.
It's not because of AATW people aren't happy, it's because they they don't like the look of it/ have heard it and think it's shit. Deal with it.
I'm fed up of the AATW conspiracy theories coming from the rose-tinted brigade.
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Skidzorz
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Posted - 2009/05/12 : 23:06:24
I been a monster
Bitch, my shit been bonkers
The flow been conquered
Hoes I`ve been pompous
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Bonkers4Life
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 02:00:58
just finished the Chris Unknown mix.
It did not get my as pumped up as the Sharkey mix. So Sharkey is the best so far.
Just began the Dj Hixxy Judgement Day doesnt seem that bad, its off to a good start.
So, people you have finished the album which one was the best?
a) Sharkey
b) Chris Unknown
c) Dj Hixxy?
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Trimms
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 03:04:16
I am glad my post got many quotes.
Thank you to everyone who agreed, but thank you more to those who disagreed. I think this Bonkers in particular will be very hit or miss.
I just wish it could be appreciated as something that will enhance the scene... the history part alone will help this incredible series. New ravers, new attitude, and Sharkey's mix, to be quite frank... I mean that Darwin track. God, he just hits you with this melodic, totally poppy progression and vocals, and right when you think the epic riff is going to come in he pulls back and throws a melodic minor at you. It's totally hard, and I think as the first song is a bit of an eye opener. It's real, it's true, and it's great. I hope the Clubland lovers will hear this and be like "damn! Darwin!"
It's a chance for these artists to be heard, because let's face it, Hardcore Underground 3 was, well, pretty underground.
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 03:10:07
Not that it matters, but if the CD was "cd of the week" its because AATW paid a crap load for having it there. Every single "viewing" shelf is paid for in every main store. So if you release a CD, there is no chance it will be put in a position where anyone can see it unless you pay through the nose. A rough guideline, Virgin for 1 week on the shelf at the front of the store? Around £200 billion pounds.
Something like that :o)
Point is, it doesn't mean everyone loves a CD, it means someone paid a lot of money to have it on display. I couldn't give a poo either way, but thought you might like to know...people often assume that "its CD of the week, so it must be popular" but actually "its popular because its CD of the week"...at least, thats what they hope!
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 04:19:38
What artist wouldn't like to see his creation channeled through a company willing to put the bucks and give it that much more exposure?
I think some great underground hardcore artists and tracks just made it to the mainstream with the new Bonkers.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 05:45:30
i really don't give a damn whether Trimms is right or not, but he's saying stuff that we've already heard a thousand times from a thousand people, including me, even b4 the album came out, and with other albums as well. we don't need a broken record on here repeating their crap over and over again. we already have 95 for that. and responding to ppls bitching by bitching urself adds to the problem, not deter from it.
so if u ain't brining anything new to the table when it comes to this forum, then seriously u should stfu
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 07:34:47
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
Not that it matters, but if the CD was "cd of the week" its because AATW paid a crap load for having it there. Every single "viewing" shelf is paid for in every main store. So if you release a CD, there is no chance it will be put in a position where anyone can see it unless you pay through the nose. A rough guideline, Virgin for 1 week on the shelf at the front of the store? Around £200 billion pounds.
Something like that :o)
Point is, it doesn't mean everyone loves a CD, it means someone paid a lot of money to have it on display. I couldn't give a poo either way, but thought you might like to know...people often assume that "its CD of the week, so it must be popular" but actually "its popular because its CD of the week"...at least, thats what they hope!
QFT! :)
though i wasnt posting the picture because i thought it was on there because it was so popular, posted it because i thought it was amusing that a hardcore album has been put/paid for to be on "album of the week"
even funnier that its album of the week and about 3 people on this forum ...a hardcore forum..seem to agree that its the right place for it ;)
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Trimms
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 11:44:39
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
i really don't give a damn whether Trimms is right or not, but he's saying stuff that we've already heard a thousand times from a thousand people, including me, even b4 the album came out, and with other albums as well. we don't need a broken record on here repeating their crap over and over again. we already have 95 for that. and responding to ppls bitching by bitching urself adds to the problem, not deter from it.
so if u ain't brining anything new to the table when it comes to this forum, then seriously u should stfu
No, I am the only person who ever says anything about it. I am nothing like '95 because he advocates 1995... I'm pro 2009. We're quite different in every sense. No one ever seems to say "Move on" like I do. People just say "wow Clubland is like my fave!" Clubland ISN'T my favorite, but I am someone who can appreciate it.
Please find another post like mine that wasn't by me and I'll take what you said seriously.
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 12:17:33
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
i really don't give a damn whether Trimms is right or not, but he's saying stuff that we've already heard a thousand times from a thousand people, including me, even b4 the album came out, and with other albums as well. we don't need a broken record on here repeating their crap over and over again. we already have 95 for that. and responding to ppls bitching by bitching urself adds to the problem, not deter from it.
so if u ain't brining anything new to the table when it comes to this forum, then seriously u should stfu
So when a point of view has been expressed ONCE, it should never be mentioned again? ********. This debate is very legitimate and interesting, so if YOU really don't care about it like you say, stfu and go read another thread.
Trimms is bringing intelligent and constructive discussion, which is much needed on here.
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 13:04:22
Also, I don't think its a problem if Bonkers does well. I am not so keen on it because I dont really dig that style, but good for them if it is a success. Its always the most commercial of any music that is the first to chart, hence the name "commercial".
The problem isn't the success of Bonkers, its the ever widening gap between those that can pay for rack space like AATW, and those that cant, like pretty much everyone else within our scene. The result is only the commercial side is represented. In other scenes, like, say, Hip Hop, you would get Eminem selling crap loads, but his album sales open the door to smaller artists that get on the same label, or to smaller labels with quality artists. They aren't as commercial, but still get into the major stores riding on the tail of Eminem. Not so in hardcore. Perhaps its just the size of the scene? I don't know, and I don't have any answers lol...Just thoughts on a Wednesday morning :o)
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 13:54:14
reading all of the above, it's looking more and more like AATW are becoming unstoppable...
however, I prefer more underground stuff, and as aatw promotes the commercial breed of hardcore, there will be a big divide between commercial and underground. eventually the 'harder' hardcore will be in the same state as it was 9 odd years ago and the cycle will probably restart.
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Yateszi
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 16:20:46
What takes the piss is that in HMV they had Bonkers CD's in loads of parts of the store, first and second floor, yet there was no sign of a Hardcore Underground 3 CD. I think HU3 is a much better deal as it's 4 discs, Bonkers is 2 (new tracks on) and the tracks are far better from what I heard on the samples of each track. Looks like i'll have to buy off Amazon.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 16:29:22
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Originally posted by Trimms:
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
i really don't give a damn whether Trimms is right or not, but he's saying stuff that we've already heard a thousand times from a thousand people, including me, even b4 the album came out, and with other albums as well. we don't need a broken record on here repeating their crap over and over again. we already have 95 for that. and responding to ppls bitching by bitching urself adds to the problem, not deter from it.
so if u ain't brining anything new to the table when it comes to this forum, then seriously u should stfu
No, I am the only person who ever says anything about it. I am nothing like '95 because he advocates 1995... I'm pro 2009. We're quite different in every sense. No one ever seems to say "Move on" like I do. People just say "wow Clubland is like my fave!" Clubland ISN'T my favorite, but I am someone who can appreciate it.
Please find another post like mine that wasn't by me and I'll take what you said seriously.
Rather arrogant arent we? Or is it ignorant? Hmmm....
You think youre the only person saying this? Im pretty sure plenty of people have said what you are saying "move on", they were probably idiots too. So calm yourself down, youre coming across as a right twat....
Hardcore does need to move on, as do many of the people who listen to it, but if what we are moving onto is this tripe id rather throw on a classics mix and enjoy REAL Hardcore. Ive listened to the clips of this compilation and i wasnt keen so i havent bought it, however i do buy the Hardcore Underground series (REAL Hardcore). So i am continuing to move on, were not all stuck in the past on here, its just some of us are moving in different directions. If youre happy to listen to watered doen shite being churned out by the AATWs/Raverbabies of this scene then go for it, but others arent willing to head down that path, accept it.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 16:37:20
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
reading all of the above, it's looking more and more like AATW are becoming unstoppable...
however, I prefer more underground stuff, and as aatw promotes the commercial breed of hardcore, there will be a big divide between commercial and underground. eventually the 'harder' hardcore will be in the same state as it was 9 odd years ago and the cycle will probably restart.
I think youre half right, i think maybe Hardcore will be on its arse again at some point, bit i dont think the underground side will be the one dying. If anything the commercial stuff will eventually merge with pop music and finally cock off altogether..... at least thats what i hope
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