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Dain-Ja
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 Posted - 2009/05/13 : 17:20:00
I bought it because I want the Sharkey mix...
We'll see how it turns out when I receive it. Based on the samples I've heard, it'll be good.
The Unknown mix looks OK nothing more. Not really my style.
Hixxy mix looks like shit.
Again, we'll see.
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Trimms
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Posted - 2009/05/13 : 20:22:22
Well I had only listened to the Sharkey mix.
The Unknown mix is so bad... oh my god.
Hixxy I will listen to once but won't love it or hate it. But seriously, Unknown... boring. I still loved Sharkey's mix though.
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Bonkers4Life
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 00:30:49
alrighty, finished the album.
verdict:
Sharkey = the best
Unknown = the worst
Hixxy = meh... could of been better
im pretty sure the sharkey remix is the best because of the amount of new songs on his mix.
Unknown.....wtf, the first couple of songs are like "wtf" but then pacman came on and i was like "yes good job" ....but then it went downhill from there.
Hixxy......Wheres the new? i only like this one better then Unknown because there a couple of songs i really enjoyed even though ive heard them before.
I also looked for something i alsways look for in mixes. A big bang! to either start it off or end it. Didnt find one in all 3 cds. the closeset one i came to was Hixxy's last song "The Theme" but it wasnt really big.
7/10
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 01:26:57
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
The problem isn't the success of Bonkers, its the ever widening gap between those that can pay for rack space like AATW, and those that cant, like pretty much everyone else within our scene. The result is only the commercial side is represented.
Who considers Darwin, Fraz, Arkitech, Ham, Sharkey, Odyssey, CLSM, Slippery Disco, Brisk, Marc Smith, Gammer, Al Storm, S3rl, K-Complex, Weaver, or even Kevin Energy to be writing/producing/singing/mixing the commercial side of Hardcore?
You say the commercial elite of Hip Hop is taking underground artists and giving them a chance in the spotlight, aside the giants? Well that's exactly what this latest Bonkers is doing!!
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 07:32:29
well, as per past bonkers we're used to seeing
Hixxy - cheese
Breeze and Styles/Scott Brown - cheese-hard
Sharkey - Freeform/Breakbeat
so to be honest, all round its still got what it had before, but i found sharkeys less freeformy than usual, which was a shame, though there are a quite a few tracks on it i rather liked! i even like the new remix of todays the day, after not liking the original that much!
i was expecting sharkeys to be dark with meloncholy melody's interweaved with acid 303's and hoovers...touched off with some fierce breakbeat - but i found it not too distant from the other two cds....
its grown on me, the album, just not finding as many walls between each cd as we used to..if you see what i mean
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Yoko
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 08:11:52
Its just not the same . . . Its gone mainstream and been commercialized (though it had started back around Bonkers 10) . . . anyways, just look at the tracklists, majority of tracks are from the DJs themselves or remixes of theirs, or their best buddies . . . nothing amazing from some no name producer >_>
But what can you expect from people who want to make money, business is business, plain and simple.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 08:41:02
"majority of tracks are from the DJs themselves or remixes of theirs"
to be fair, look at any hardcore album :P
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 13:53:04
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Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:
Originally posted by Luna-C:
The problem isn't the success of Bonkers, its the ever widening gap between those that can pay for rack space like AATW, and those that cant, like pretty much everyone else within our scene. The result is only the commercial side is represented.
Who considers Darwin, Fraz, Arkitech, Ham, Sharkey, Odyssey, CLSM, Slippery Disco, Brisk, Marc Smith, Gammer, Al Storm, S3rl, K-Complex, Weaver, or even Kevin Energy to be writing/producing/singing/mixing the commercial side of Hardcore?
You say the commercial elite of Hip Hop is taking underground artists and giving them a chance in the spotlight, aside the giants? Well that's exactly what this latest Bonkers is doing!!
I think you are misunderstanding me. None of those artists are particularly commercial, and I am happy if they get a break - many of them are my friends. I have also made it clear that I have no problem with Bonkers. When I was asked to mix it, I turned it down because my style would have to compromise, not because I have any hatred for a successful hardcore album.
What I was saying was that AATW can pick and choose who they want to promote, and they have no competition because no one else in the scene can pay the money (or is willing to pay the money) needed to get on the racks in the major stores. And AATW seem to have no interest in promoting hardcore as such, rather, they just want to make money from the Bonkers brand. Even this wouldn't be a problem if there were other big or medium sized hardcore labels able to compete or at least ride the coattails of the Bonkers album. But there isnt.
So the result is one album that represents hardcore, rightly or wrongly, with no competition. And AATW can do a whole album of Darwin tunes, but Darwin couldn't release his own album on his own label and get into the stores the way AATW does, because there is no support, and no money. This means that while AATW is promoting other artists, all they are really doing is promoting their next Bonkers album, because many of the artists on it have no chance of making that sort of money unless they are on Bonkers. Its a catch 22.
I am not simply blaming AATW - this situation came about from many sources and problems over the years, and it is complex to solve. I am just saying its a crappy situation.
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 14:02:21
just out of interest...did AATW ask you, or was it React/Resist?
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 14:11:04
I understand what you are saying, Luna-C. It makes sense. I'm trying to get a complete understanding of the situation, and your point of view is rather interesting!
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 14:13:26
oops, double post
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infinity2k8
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 14:26:07
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Originally posted by hear-my-beats:
now i'm sorry to have to say this but bonkers you could trust it would be great dirty bassy hard with little or no cheese you could go and get a copy and trust sharkey (trip to the other side) had gotten hold of the baddest tech break hardcore. scottbrown (neophyte) had dived right in the deepend with the fastest hardest HARD hardcore and hixxy well what can i say.
bonkers and to say the scenes changing no its not "it always has and will always be hardcore"
clubland is clubland hardcore is hardcore
if i'd known i would have brought cotts'ys new cd
BONKERS PLZ COME BACK
P.S for those of you who disagree this we know you have never picked up a previous copy of bonkers
This is a stupid comment. Little or no cheese in a Bonkers compilation? You know we are talking about UK/happy hardcore right? Its ALWAYS cheesy. If you want gabber buy a gabber compilation, its ridiculous to be complaining about bonkers not being HARD enough just because it had a few gabber tracks sometimes. If you want better UK hardcore buy Hardcore Underground 3.
The existence of this album doesn't make the good hardcore disappear. If anything it will promote hardcore more. People are exaggerating as if Bonkers never even had vocal based UK hardcore before and its completely changed. If you are bothered about this music not being hard enough i wonder why you'd be listening to a uk hardcore compilation at all.
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Originally posted by Yoko:
Its just not the same . . . Its gone mainstream and been commercialized (though it had started back around Bonkers 10) . . . anyways, just look at the tracklists, majority of tracks are from the DJs themselves or remixes of theirs, or their best buddies . . . nothing amazing from some no name producer >_>
But what can you expect from people who want to make money, business is business, plain and simple.
And it used to be run by Hixxy you think hes just doing it for the love of hardcore? the same guy who doesnt bother to release any new vinyls or do anything useful now. Since when did bonkers have any no-name producers on? The mixes are usually made up of majority of the dj's tracks, of course they want to promote their own music. This is nothing new.
People just complaining for the sake of it somewhat i think. Going on about REAL HARDCORE trying to be alternative its just the same as any music scene people who whinge about anything not 'underground'. Theres no 'commercial' hardcore, its all a very niche scene.
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 14:47:21
Sharkey asked me, for the last Bonkers that came out on Resist. At first I said yes, and was excited about it. Then I realized I wouldn't be able to do my usual sample crazy stuff, because of sample clearance issues. So I thought I could do all "original" music. Of course, that wouldn't sound like me...with the result that those who like what I do would be disappointed, those that liked what I did for the Bonkers album would not like what I usually do, and I wouldn't enjoy doing it. So the whole thing would be a bit pointless, other than the money aspect.
I don't mind doing things for money, but my rule is it should never be JUST for money. Money is important - to pretend it isn't is silly, and artists deserve to get paid for their work the same as an accountant or a bricklayer. The difference is, an artist is motivated to do the art first, the money second. In this case, I would have had to sacrifice what I pretentiously call my art, for money. For me, it wasn't worth it. Others may disagree, and that is their right, of course. It always comes down to a question of your own personal integrity, and where you draw the line, and for each person its different.
This is why you will never hear me slate Bonkers or Hixxy or even Scooter. I don't like Scooters music, but its up to him what he does, its none of my business, and more importantly, my tastes shouldn't be imposed on everyone else any more that his should be imposed on me.
It is right there that I have a problem with the current situation - inadvertently, AATW, like HTID, are imposing their taste on everyone else. But it is not HTID or AATW's fault as such, more that there is not enough competition due to circumstances beyond anyones control. The situation has come about by years of small moves, not by one company saying "I will crush all opposition" lol.
The gap between the big and the small is huge, with no gradient between the two. Its shitty, but there it is. This is what I was trying to say about Hip Hop - for every Eminem, there is 50 slightly smaller, 1000 mid range, and 10000 tiny artists signed to labels that get into the main stores, making a pyramid of music that feeds off and sustains itself. With hardcore you have HTID and AATW, then....a few small labels that struggle to get into any stores except specific hardcore outlets.
If anyone has a good solution to the problem, I would love to hear it!
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infinity2k8
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 14:54:16
I don't think there is a solution because hardcore as we like it just isn't popular enough and never will be. Even with more promotion i doubt it would have many people buying it. Hardcore that does sell among the masses is usually just because its close to regular dance music just faster, but you can't sell people music they don't want.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/05/14 : 15:05:56
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Originally posted by Luna-C:If anyone has a good solution to the problem, I would love to hear it!
and i was about to ask..."so what now?!?!?!?!!" lol
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