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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2009/08/05 : 10:50:37
im fairly sure i read somewhere that he was sharing more than just 30 songs, but they were only sueing him for 30 of them
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 14:30:23
This is hilarious. One of the funniest things I have read. Definitely this month.
Who was asking if its illegal?
Check out the comments on the page. You would think free music is a right, the way they go on. 15 year olds who have never bought a cd in their life. Some people clearly should have given more consideration to an abortion.
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Lorenzo.Tweakn
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 15:34:30
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Check out the comments on the page.
i did n i literall rofl'd
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 17:15:24
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I believe everyone downloads music free. So why only fine two people, if there going to start there why don't they just fine EVERYONE. I'm being sarcastic of course, because logically if you were to buy every single song you own, most people would be in debt because of there music. THOUSANDS of dollers in debt! Most people in the us download there music for free. I mean if artists really want there money maybe they should go on tour or something and make money off the concerts. I just think that if your going to fine one person, might as well fine us all.
Hey guys.
Apparently I'm in debt for the 23 gigs of music I own. OH SHIT!
So, if a bunch of people do it then it's right...But how can an artist afford to go on tour when he can't even make enough money to break even, and be able to feed and cloth himself?
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DJ-Intensity
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 17:20:59
As one of the rules says don't fileshare charging the person for D/L free choons is wrong.
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Fishy
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 19:45:52
**** money and capitalism, music is art god dammit! i dont even wanna make money of my tunes
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DjSakari
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 19:48:28
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
So, if a bunch of people do it then it's right...But how can an artist afford to go on tour when he can't even make enough money to break even, and be able to feed and cloth himself?
Then tell me how Green Day went 19x Platinum world wide and toured for as long as they did when their audience is generally people who download music.
I downloaded the CD, but then I bought it after I gave it a listen.
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**** money and capitalism, music is art god dammit! i dont even wanna make money of my tunes
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 20:42:02
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
So, if a bunch of people do it then it's right...But how can an artist afford to go on tour when he can't even make enough money to break even, and be able to feed and cloth himself?
Then tell me how Green Day went 19x Platinum world wide and toured for as long as they did when their audience is generally people who download music.
I downloaded the CD, but then I bought it after I gave it a listen.
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**** money and capitalism, music is art god dammit! i dont even wanna make money of my tunes
QFT
No offence, but you're full of shit.
Speaking from a professional producer's perspective, even just in a SMALL scene like hardcore - filesharing almost cost me a release. Believe it or not, nobody wants to spend a lot of money releasing your material when most of the people have got it already.
Music is not a right - it's a privelage and a luxury and if artists didn't want compensation for their work, they would give it out for free. How many artists do you see doing that? Maybe some, but a ****ing bare minimum.
That fine is pretty outrageous but they're making an example of him. If people start to realise that they CAN get caught, and the fines are HEFTY, if more and more people get sued, maybe people will start to realise that it isn't worth it.
In every indusrtry, anyone should be entitled to try and make a living from their work. The only reason anyone treats music differently is because you CAN get it for free. Just because that is possible, doesn't mean you are entitled to it.
People who REALLY love music should pay for it. People worked for it, and wanted compensation, otherwise they wouldn't put it up for sale. By downloading it for free you're basically saying a big "**** you" to the artists that wrote and performed said material. You don't love music if you do that.
And as for the argument "i can't afford it" then you DONT GET IT. I really want a ps3, but i can't afford it. I'm not going to walk into EB games and just pick one up and walk away. If you can't afford it, you don't get it, that's how life works. Get a job.
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 20:57:53
Every band that I "stole" from got their moneys worth from me buying tickets to go to their shows (along with the other thousands going to those same shows) and they even say if you can't afford our music, download it, because to them, it's all free advertising.
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 20:58:01
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No offence, but you're full of shit.
Speaking from a professional producer's perspective, even just in a SMALL scene like hardcore - filesharing almost cost me a release. Believe it or not, nobody wants to spend a lot of money releasing your material when most of the people have got it already.
Music is not a right - it's a privelage and a luxury and if artists didn't want compensation for their work, they would give it out for free. How many artists do you see doing that? Maybe some, but a ****ing bare minimum.
That fine is pretty outrageous but they're making an example of him. If people start to realise that they CAN get caught, and the fines are HEFTY, if more and more people get sued, maybe people will start to realise that it isn't worth it.
In every indusrtry, anyone should be entitled to try and make a living from their work. The only reason anyone treats music differently is because you CAN get it for free. Just because that is possible, doesn't mean you are entitled to it.
People who REALLY love music should pay for it. People worked for it, and wanted compensation, otherwise they wouldn't put it up for sale. By downloading it for free you're basically saying a big "**** you" to the artists that wrote and performed said material. You don't love music if you do that.
And as for the argument "i can't afford it" then you DONT GET IT. I really want a ps3, but i can't afford it. I'm not going to walk into EB games and just pick one up and walk away. If you can't afford it, you don't get it, that's how life works. Get a job.
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haha well said...everythen you said is true...i can imagine if i was releasing material i wouldnt like it being spread about filesharing sites
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 21:07:40
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
Every band that I "stole" from got their moneys worth from me buying tickets to go to their shows (along with the other thousands going to those same shows) and they even say if you can't afford our music, download it, because to them, it's all free advertising.
pft you're talking complete shit.
You pay for the performance when you go to a show. You pay to keep the music when you buy an album. So no, they didn't get their moneys worth, you still owe them for the music you kept and didn't pay for. If you don't want to see them live, don't ****ing go, but that doesn't exempt you from buying their music.
And big artists don't need your shitty "free advertising"
I'd love for you to explain to me how it's advertising when you're getting it for free, though. WWhat kind of artist wants that advertising? They won't get a sale out of it, which doesn't support the new equipment they need, the studio fees, even the clothes on their back.
Someone who downloads music and gives it to their friends isn't going to say "oi, this is sick, go and buy the album" , they're going to say "oi i downloaded this sick album, ill burn it for you"
you can't possibly be as stupid as you're making out.
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Shades
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 22:10:31
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the latest individual targeted by the RIAA, and is being fined a whooping $675,000 for 30 songs he illegally downloaded and shared.
shared being the point, he wouldn't be charged that much if he just downloaded 30 tracks.
chances are he kept his pc online connected to a shitty filesharing site & a countless amount of people downloaded the tracks 'from him'
there are 2 types of filesharer one that downloads an album & chucks it in the car
& *******s like him. Either way they are both thieves, but one is definitely worse than the other, & if he's being charged for the amount that was downloaded from him then fair play to the RIAA.
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Rayovac
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 22:37:17
In response to Lilley, people who think that all music should be free make me laugh. Then again, it could be misdirected anger because of how damn stupid the RIAA has been so far. The 'tactics' they use aren't doing shit, and are definitely making things worse.
One problem is though, a lot seem to think that by not paying for any kind of music, they're "sticking it to the man" (when in reality, they're sticking it to the producers). Then of course you have all the lazy chavs with an elementary education and deliver intelligent lines such as "LOL BIG UP 4 DIS BRUV TANX BEN LOKIN 4 HIXXY - ACID AFTERMATH 4 WILE NOW CHOOOOOOOOOON HARDCORE 4EVER"
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
Every band that I "stole" from got their moneys worth from me buying tickets to go to their shows (along with the other thousands going to those same shows) and they even say if you can't afford our music, download it, because to them, it's all free advertising.
Do you really think every producer makes a majority of their money from road shows, DJ events, etc.?
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DjSakari
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 22:46:29
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And big artists don't need your shitty "free advertising"
Then they don't need my shitty money either if that's the case. Metallica used to tell their fans to make copies of their cassettes and give them to friends. Then years later when they became rich and popular, they also became one of the most well known anti-music sharing groups, specifically Lars Ulrich.
And if you're going to tell me I'm talking shit again, then find something new to say, cause everything I'm saying is true, and none of it is shit.
So tell me how all these bands are going platinum now....
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 22:53:03
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
Every band that I "stole" from got their moneys worth from me buying tickets to go to their shows (along with the other thousands going to those same shows) and they even say if you can't afford our music, download it, because to them, it's all free advertising.
So paying for a concert ticket makes up for the hundreds of thousands of a SONG (Singular) people downloaded without paying for? Now make it plural, how many songs have people been downloading, and the artist isn't getting money for?
I agree with Andy, you are supporting an artist just by going to their concert. You're paying for the live performance, with a sound system, etc. If the artist's didn't want to make money of their music, why would they put it on CD to be sold? Why would they put it on sites to be downloaded? "Free advertising" is bull shit, plain and simple.
You ARE stealing, plain and simple. But you try to sugar coat the truth with slander, and just straight up lies. Stealing is bad m'kay? You're stealing potential money from their pockets, m'kay?
Super large bands that can sell out tickets in a 30,000 seat stadium IS NOT everybody in the music scene. You can't just bluntly compare someone who has already made it to the top, and have die hard fans to someone who is relatively unknown in their genre.
So just going around and stealing music in general, from 'large' groups to people just starting out is BAD. It will always be BAD. We don't live in a world where everything can be handed out, and we all live fine. We don't live in a socialist world, for ****s sake. People need to make their money to be able to sustain a career to make music for their fans; too feed themselves to make music for their fans; all to generally just live a comfortable life. Like the rest of us want to.
What would you do if you made a product and tried to sell it on the market to make a living? You put all your hard work into it, and you are hoping for a good sell out? Just to realize everyone got a copy of it, and just decided to take it for themselves without paying you just compensation? "It's advertising!" Would you still say that then when you're getting millions of dollars you would of had taken away from you?
Didn't think so...
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