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Future_Shock
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 Posted - 2009/08/05 : 23:30:12
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
And big artists don't need your shitty "free advertising"
Then they don't need my shitty money either if that's the case. Metallica used to tell their fans to make copies of their cassettes and give them to friends. Then years later when they became rich and popular, they also became one of the most well known anti-music sharing groups, specifically Lars Ulrich.
And if you're going to tell me I'm talking shit again, then find something new to say, cause everything I'm saying is true, and none of it is shit.
So tell me how all these bands are going platinum now....
you ARE talking shit because i've written you TWO large responses and your reprisal was based on one comment - not even the whole comment - because you can't respond to anything else because you have no points. So i will play your game, and i'll show you how you're an idiot by responding to your very insignificant and partial reply.
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
And big artists don't need your shitty "free advertising"
NB: this was said in reprisal to the comment that someone downloading an artists music is free advertising. Advertising is intended to get you to buy something. When you already have the product - how is that advertising? You're an idiot.
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
Then they don't need my shitty money either if that's the case
You just said, if they don't want you to download their music for free, then they don't deserve your money. You're an idiot.
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
Metallica used to tell their fans to make copies of their cassettes(1) and give them to friends. Then years later(2) when they became rich and popular, they also became one of the most well known anti-music sharing groups
(1). Cassettes. That doesn't tell you HOW long ago that was? That was more than 10 years ago you moron.
(2) Maybe you should do some research into how - over the past 10 years - how less lucrative the music industry has become. They were for it because it didn't matter if you shared a cassette with friends - people couldn't fileshare to MASS people (literally hundreds of thousands). It was small numbers. It was one person buying it and maybe sharing to three people. Nowdays it's one person buying it, giving it to tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people.
They're not against it because they're rich and famous - they're against it because it's a different situation now. I don't expect you to know that, though, as you seem very young.
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
So tell me how all these bands are going platinum now....
"all these bands". Are you kidding me?
What percentage of musicians do you think go platinum? It'd be less than about 1/2 of 1% of all musicians. Oh my god, even lower. A HANDFUL of bands go platinum in each genre.... but there would be tens of thousands of bands.
Oh, but of course, if they can do it, everyone can, because filesharing doesn't make a difference.
Again, you're an idiot.
Come back with a decent rebuttal or don't say anything at all.
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FingazMc
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Posted - 2009/08/05 : 23:51:39
No matter which way you look at it you cant justify piracy.
Id give up Sakari lol :P
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 00:02:09
"All these bands" as in the ones who did go platinum, and have mass audiences. if piracy was such a problem, then they wouldn't go platinum. All I said was that its a ridiculous sum of money, and I said "QFT" to the guy who produces music for people to have for free, and then you just came out and said I was full of shit, and that I'm an idiot, and started making points irrelevant to what I had said.
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 00:07:14
To be honest this isn't really against the law, unless of course you consent to it (but thats another story ;))
I feel the way everythings going with file-sharing, it will 'never' be stopped, unless of course the governments take total control of it all (then we'll really be foooked)
So unless the industry changes completely, were gonna be getting much more stories like this
and who knows where it'll lead
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 00:19:25
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
"All these bands" as in the ones who did go platinum, and have mass audiences. if piracy was such a problem, then they wouldn't go platinum. All I said was that its a ridiculous sum of money, and I said "QFT" to the guy who produces music for people to have for free, and then you just came out and said I was full of shit, and that I'm an idiot, and started making points irrelevant to what I had said.
Again, you only replied to one part of my response. This is getting so tedious.
And no, i actually rebutted several of your point from other posts too, which you didn't seem to see, or can't defend against.
Anyway, so you're justifying filesharing, saying it doesn't make a difference, because a few bands go platinum?
YOU'RE AN IDIOT!
Filesharing doesn't HURT the already big names as much as the small guys, because they have a much larger fanbase, and therefore the percentage of people that support them financially for what they do is higher. 50% of 1,000,000 is higher than 50% of 1000.
But it's enough to make a difference that EVERY big artist is against filesharing.
Seriously, you're going to stick to the argument that filesharing doesn't make a difference because a few bands go platinum? Wow....i just... wow. Are you seriously thinking? Because it scares me that someone can't work this out. Ask anyone involved in the music industry and they will tell you, apart from the BIG acts, nobody is selling the same units they used to. And that's everywhere - from pop all the way down to hardcore.
You think P.A.I.D. would exist if it didn't make a difference? Do you think the RIAA are going to such lengths against filesharing just because... they can? Come on dude, seriously think about this. Why are there people from the music industry saying it's ****ed? Artists say they hate it, labels say they hate it - the only person that thinks it doesn't make a difference is you.
Stop being such a numpty and think about this for a second.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 00:21:21
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Originally posted by Kosmic:
To be honest this isn't really against the law, unless of course you consent to it (but thats another story ;))
I feel the way everythings going with file-sharing, it will 'never' be stopped, unless of course the governments take total control of it all (then we'll really be foooked)
So unless the industry changes completely, were gonna be getting much more stories like this
and who knows where it'll lead
Sorry, did you just say filesharing isn't really against the law?
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DjSakari
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 00:49:58
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
"All these bands" as in the ones who did go platinum, and have mass audiences. if piracy was such a problem, then they wouldn't go platinum. All I said was that its a ridiculous sum of money, and I said "QFT" to the guy who produces music for people to have for free, and then you just came out and said I was full of shit, and that I'm an idiot, and started making points irrelevant to what I had said.
Again, you only replied to one part of my response. This is getting so tedious.
And no, i actually rebutted several of your point from other posts too, which you didn't seem to see, or can't defend against.
Anyway, so you're justifying filesharing, saying it doesn't make a difference, because a few bands go platinum?
YOU'RE AN IDIOT!
Filesharing doesn't HURT the already big names as much as the small guys, because they have a much larger fanbase, and therefore the percentage of people that support them financially for what they do is higher. 50% of 1,000,000 is higher than 50% of 1000.
But it's enough to make a difference that EVERY big artist is against filesharing.
Seriously, you're going to stick to the argument that filesharing doesn't make a difference because a few bands go platinum? Wow....i just... wow. Are you seriously thinking? Because it scares me that someone can't work this out. Ask anyone involved in the music industry and they will tell you, apart from the BIG acts, nobody is selling the same units they used to. And that's everywhere - from pop all the way down to hardcore.
You think P.A.I.D. would exist if it didn't make a difference? Do you think the RIAA are going to such lengths against filesharing just because... they can? Come on dude, seriously think about this. Why are there people from the music industry saying it's ****ed? Artists say they hate it, labels say they hate it - the only person that thinks it doesn't make a difference is you.
Stop being such a numpty and think about this for a second.
It doesn't make a difference. Millions of people ******* everyday. It's like me going vegan. I know my choice of being vegan won't stop people from killing animals because of the mass of people who eat meat. The RIAA should know the same. They charge one person a huge sum when they could track down the filesharers and charge each of them a small fee. Or they could ban the ******* hosts, which are PUBLIC domains and can be found if you just type it on google. If they got rid of that, the problem would be much less dramatic.
People should still sell their work, but it has become a thing where artists just make the music because they want money. Look at all the artists on the Newgrounds Audio Portal. They all make music because it's a fun and creative art. They also allow all of their creations to be downloaded for free. They don't make money, and they don't care. But if those top rated artists had gigs, they could easily make a large sum off of selling tickets.
If you haven't noticed, I don't say anything about you personally. You keep calling me an idiot and say I'm full of shit. This doesn't help get your message out to me because I don't want to listen to people who start a debate with flaming. So chill out next time.
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 01:06:11
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It doesn't make a difference. Millions of people ******* everyday. It's like me going vegan. I know my choice of being vegan won't stop people from killing animals because of the mass of people who eat meat. The RIAA should know the same. They charge one person a huge sum when they could track down the filesharers and charge each of them a small fee. Or they could ban the ******* hosts, which are PUBLIC domains and can be found if you just type it on google. If they got rid of that, the problem would be much less dramatic.
People should still sell their work, but it has become a thing where artists just make the music because they want money. Look at all the artists on the Newgrounds Audio Portal. They all make music because it's a fun and creative art. They also allow all of their creations to be downloaded for free. They don't make money, and they don't care. But if those top rated artists had gigs, they could easily make a large sum off of selling tickets.
If you haven't noticed, I don't say anything about you personally. You keep calling me an idiot and say I'm full of shit. This doesn't help get your message out to me because I don't want to listen to people who start a debate with flaming. So chill out next time.
Not everything is illegal via *******s. *******s have legitimate uses.
As for tracking everyone down, they couldn't it's impossible, they might find the stupid people who don't encrypt their network but that's it. But then it's still millions and millions of people.
As for artists just wanting to make money; not at all just look around, free tracks are being given out left right and center here not to mention free labels, free albums.
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 01:22:17
sorry but - who dont encrypt their network????
anything you download, anything you search for, anything thats sent/recived by your router/your computer - all of it is logged by your ISP there is no getting round that other than actually being your ISP
even if you use an anonymouse browser it your IP still has to go through the telephone exchange and out to the proxy hosts all of it still going through your ISP
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 01:32:56
Sorry, I said that wrong, the actual ******* client needs encryption. The protocol in ******* clients sends packets which are encrypted if you have that set up
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 01:40:21
even so, its just a case of watching just how much a user is downloading to get a rough idea on who is suspicious - then narrowing that down to which of those havent gone to effort of using an encrypted client and the other suspicious ones who are running mass data across encrypted networks
pretty sure that nearly all ISPs in the UK have that built into their TnC - its their pipes, they'll watch em
they have your name, your adress, your credit card - they have at the bare bare bare minimum how much you download and i doubt much more is needed to just cut you off and perform an investigation
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 06:21:14
So in the 5 hours I was gone this thread just got ****ing crazier than iwo jima
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 06:39:03
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So in the 5 hours I was gone this thread just got ****ing crazier than iwo jima
Seems to happen in all my threads
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 08:37:31
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
"All these bands" as in the ones who did go platinum, and have mass audiences. if piracy was such a problem, then they wouldn't go platinum. All I said was that its a ridiculous sum of money, and I said "QFT" to the guy who produces music for people to have for free, and then you just came out and said I was full of shit, and that I'm an idiot, and started making points irrelevant to what I had said.
Again, you only replied to one part of my response. This is getting so tedious.
And no, i actually rebutted several of your point from other posts too, which you didn't seem to see, or can't defend against.
Anyway, so you're justifying filesharing, saying it doesn't make a difference, because a few bands go platinum?
YOU'RE AN IDIOT!
Filesharing doesn't HURT the already big names as much as the small guys, because they have a much larger fanbase, and therefore the percentage of people that support them financially for what they do is higher. 50% of 1,000,000 is higher than 50% of 1000.
But it's enough to make a difference that EVERY big artist is against filesharing.
Seriously, you're going to stick to the argument that filesharing doesn't make a difference because a few bands go platinum? Wow....i just... wow. Are you seriously thinking? Because it scares me that someone can't work this out. Ask anyone involved in the music industry and they will tell you, apart from the BIG acts, nobody is selling the same units they used to. And that's everywhere - from pop all the way down to hardcore.
You think P.A.I.D. would exist if it didn't make a difference? Do you think the RIAA are going to such lengths against filesharing just because... they can? Come on dude, seriously think about this. Why are there people from the music industry saying it's ****ed? Artists say they hate it, labels say they hate it - the only person that thinks it doesn't make a difference is you.
Stop being such a numpty and think about this for a second.
It doesn't make a difference. Millions of people ******* everyday. It's like me going vegan. I know my choice of being vegan won't stop people from killing animals because of the mass of people who eat meat. The RIAA should know the same. They charge one person a huge sum when they could track down the filesharers and charge each of them a small fee. Or they could ban the ******* hosts, which are PUBLIC domains and can be found if you just type it on google. If they got rid of that, the problem would be much less dramatic.
People should still sell their work, but it has become a thing where artists just make the music because they want money. Look at all the artists on the Newgrounds Audio Portal. They all make music because it's a fun and creative art. They also allow all of their creations to be downloaded for free. They don't make money, and they don't care. But if those top rated artists had gigs, they could easily make a large sum off of selling tickets.
If you haven't noticed, I don't say anything about you personally. You keep calling me an idiot and say I'm full of shit. This doesn't help get your message out to me because I don't want to listen to people who start a debate with flaming. So chill out next time.
If you don't want to be called an idiot, and people say that you're talking shit, then don't act like an idiot, and don't talk shit.
You're not in the music industry, everything your saying is based on opinion. Whether as i am, and i've already given you an example of how filesharing has affected me.
Who cares if they make music to get money. That's what ALL full time musicians do. That doesn't make them bad. How many people do you think work their jobs to get money? Stop being so naive. If they make good music, and they've put in the effort, they should get the money. Regardless of if they want the money or not, you idiot.
You can't compare people on the newgrounds audio portal to professional musicians. For some people it is a hobby, for others it is a profession. You can't justify piracy by saying the people doing it as a profession are wrong - because they aren't. You are wrong.
As for this being a "debate" you've ignored almost all my points for three rebuttals now. If this were a debate, you'd address everything i'm saying, but you don't.
That just indicates to me that you're of sub-standard intelligence, or you can't argue the points.
Look at how many professional producers have left hardcore. It's a lot of contributing factors, but filesharing is one of them because hardcore just isn't lucrative anymore. People are releasing to break even. I don't blame anyone quitting a fight like that. These people use music solely to generate an income while at the same time do what they love doing... And you have to do what you have to do to survive and keep your family alive.
You are so naive - how old are you?
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Posted - 2009/08/06 : 08:51:24
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by DjSakari:
"All these bands" as in the ones who did go platinum, and have mass audiences. if piracy was such a problem, then they wouldn't go platinum. All I said was that its a ridiculous sum of money, and I said "QFT" to the guy who produces music for people to have for free, and then you just came out and said I was full of shit, and that I'm an idiot, and started making points irrelevant to what I had said.
Again, you only replied to one part of my response. This is getting so tedious.
And no, i actually rebutted several of your point from other posts too, which you didn't seem to see, or can't defend against.
Anyway, so you're justifying filesharing, saying it doesn't make a difference, because a few bands go platinum?
YOU'RE AN IDIOT!
Filesharing doesn't HURT the already big names as much as the small guys, because they have a much larger fanbase, and therefore the percentage of people that support them financially for what they do is higher. 50% of 1,000,000 is higher than 50% of 1000.
But it's enough to make a difference that EVERY big artist is against filesharing.
Seriously, you're going to stick to the argument that filesharing doesn't make a difference because a few bands go platinum? Wow....i just... wow. Are you seriously thinking? Because it scares me that someone can't work this out. Ask anyone involved in the music industry and they will tell you, apart from the BIG acts, nobody is selling the same units they used to. And that's everywhere - from pop all the way down to hardcore.
You think P.A.I.D. would exist if it didn't make a difference? Do you think the RIAA are going to such lengths against filesharing just because... they can? Come on dude, seriously think about this. Why are there people from the music industry saying it's ****ed? Artists say they hate it, labels say they hate it - the only person that thinks it doesn't make a difference is you.
Stop being such a numpty and think about this for a second.
god dammit... I was meant to type something completely different, but my browser crashed... but then I noticed this.
maybe all BIG artists are against filesharing. BUT THEIR NOT THE ONES DOING THE HUNT.
Some big artists doesn't like what RIAA and other's are doing, so they formed their own "alliance", the "Featured Artists Coalation". You should check it out my friend.
Also... PAID? I havent even seen a rats ass move from their office... what are they even doing?
If we're so ****** in the wrong here, why haven't they spoken to me yet, I'm like the most avaibible pirate there is... oh wait, they only go after Soul Seek, and I'm not british
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