Man charged $650,000 for pirating 30 songs.

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Originally posted by DjSakari:
It doesn't make a difference. Millions of people ******* everyday. It's like me going vegan. I know my choice of being vegan won't stop people from killing animals because of the mass of people who eat meat. The RIAA should know the same. They charge one person a huge sum when they could track down the filesharers and charge each of them a small fee. Or they could ban the ******* hosts, which are PUBLIC domains and can be found if you just type it on google. If they got rid of that, the problem would be much less dramatic.

People should still sell their work, but it has become a thing where artists just make the music because they want money. Look at all the artists on the Newgrounds Audio Portal. They all make music because it's a fun and creative art. They also allow all of their creations to be downloaded for free. They don't make money, and they don't care. But if those top rated artists had gigs, they could easily make a large sum off of selling tickets.

If you haven't noticed, I don't say anything about you personally. You keep calling me an idiot and say I'm full of shit. This doesn't help get your message out to me because I don't want to listen to people who start a debate with flaming. So chill out next time.

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Not everything is illegal via *******s. *******s have legitimate uses.
As for tracking everyone down, they couldn't it's impossible, they might find the stupid people who don't encrypt their network but that's it. But then it's still millions and millions of people.

As for artists just wanting to make money; not at all just look around, free tracks are being given out left right and center here not to mention free labels, free albums.

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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:

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Originally posted by DjSakari:
"All these bands" as in the ones who did go platinum, and have mass audiences. if piracy was such a problem, then they wouldn't go platinum. All I said was that its a ridiculous sum of money, and I said "QFT" to the guy who produces music for people to have for free, and then you just came out and said I was full of shit, and that I'm an idiot, and started making points irrelevant to what I had said.

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Again, you only replied to one part of my response. This is getting so tedious.

And no, i actually rebutted several of your point from other posts too, which you didn't seem to see, or can't defend against.

Anyway, so you're justifying filesharing, saying it doesn't make a difference, because a few bands go platinum?

YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

Filesharing doesn't HURT the already big names as much as the small guys, because they have a much larger fanbase, and therefore the percentage of people that support them financially for what they do is higher. 50% of 1,000,000 is higher than 50% of 1000.

But it's enough to make a difference that EVERY big artist is against filesharing.

Seriously, you're going to stick to the argument that filesharing doesn't make a difference because a few bands go platinum? Wow....i just... wow. Are you seriously thinking? Because it scares me that someone can't work this out. Ask anyone involved in the music industry and they will tell you, apart from the BIG acts, nobody is selling the same units they used to. And that's everywhere - from pop all the way down to hardcore.

You think P.A.I.D. would exist if it didn't make a difference? Do you think the RIAA are going to such lengths against filesharing just because... they can? Come on dude, seriously think about this. Why are there people from the music industry saying it's ****ed? Artists say they hate it, labels say they hate it - the only person that thinks it doesn't make a difference is you.

Stop being such a numpty and think about this for a second.

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god dammit... I was meant to type something completely different, but my browser crashed... but then I noticed this.

maybe all BIG artists are against filesharing. BUT THEIR NOT THE ONES DOING THE HUNT.

Some big artists doesn't like what RIAA and other's are doing, so they formed their own "alliance", the "Featured Artists Coalation". You should check it out my friend.

Also... PAID? I havent even seen a rats ass move from their office... what are they even doing?
If we're so ****** in the wrong here, why haven't they spoken to me yet, I'm like the most avaibible pirate there is... oh wait, they only go after Soul Seek, and I'm not british

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Originally posted by DjSakari:

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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:

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Originally posted by DjSakari:
"All these bands" as in the ones who did go platinum, and have mass audiences. if piracy was such a problem, then they wouldn't go platinum. All I said was that its a ridiculous sum of money, and I said "QFT" to the guy who produces music for people to have for free, and then you just came out and said I was full of shit, and that I'm an idiot, and started making points irrelevant to what I had said.

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Again, you only replied to one part of my response. This is getting so tedious.

And no, i actually rebutted several of your point from other posts too, which you didn't seem to see, or can't defend against.

Anyway, so you're justifying filesharing, saying it doesn't make a difference, because a few bands go platinum?

YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

Filesharing doesn't HURT the already big names as much as the small guys, because they have a much larger fanbase, and therefore the percentage of people that support them financially for what they do is higher. 50% of 1,000,000 is higher than 50% of 1000.

But it's enough to make a difference that EVERY big artist is against filesharing.

Seriously, you're going to stick to the argument that filesharing doesn't make a difference because a few bands go platinum? Wow....i just... wow. Are you seriously thinking? Because it scares me that someone can't work this out. Ask anyone involved in the music industry and they will tell you, apart from the BIG acts, nobody is selling the same units they used to. And that's everywhere - from pop all the way down to hardcore.

You think P.A.I.D. would exist if it didn't make a difference? Do you think the RIAA are going to such lengths against filesharing just because... they can? Come on dude, seriously think about this. Why are there people from the music industry saying it's ****ed? Artists say they hate it, labels say they hate it - the only person that thinks it doesn't make a difference is you.

Stop being such a numpty and think about this for a second.

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It doesn't make a difference. Millions of people ******* everyday. It's like me going vegan. I know my choice of being vegan won't stop people from killing animals because of the mass of people who eat meat. The RIAA should know the same. They charge one person a huge sum when they could track down the filesharers and charge each of them a small fee. Or they could ban the ******* hosts, which are PUBLIC domains and can be found if you just type it on google. If they got rid of that, the problem would be much less dramatic.

People should still sell their work, but it has become a thing where artists just make the music because they want money. Look at all the artists on the Newgrounds Audio Portal. They all make music because it's a fun and creative art. They also allow all of their creations to be downloaded for free. They don't make money, and they don't care. But if those top rated artists had gigs, they could easily make a large sum off of selling tickets.

If you haven't noticed, I don't say anything about you personally. You keep calling me an idiot and say I'm full of shit. This doesn't help get your message out to me because I don't want to listen to people who start a debate with flaming. So chill out next time.

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If you don't want to be called an idiot, and people say that you're talking shit, then don't act like an idiot, and don't talk shit.

You're not in the music industry, everything your saying is based on opinion. Whether as i am, and i've already given you an example of how filesharing has affected me.

Who cares if they make music to get money. That's what ALL full time musicians do. That doesn't make them bad. How many people do you think work their jobs to get money? Stop being so naive. If they make good music, and they've put in the effort, they should get the money. Regardless of if they want the money or not, you idiot.

You can't compare people on the newgrounds audio portal to professional musicians. For some people it is a hobby, for others it is a profession. You can't justify piracy by saying the people doing it as a profession are wrong - because they aren't. You are wrong.

As for this being a "debate" you've ignored almost all my points for three rebuttals now. If this were a debate, you'd address everything i'm saying, but you don't.

That just indicates to me that you're of sub-standard intelligence, or you can't argue the points.

Look at how many professional producers have left hardcore. It's a lot of contributing factors, but filesharing is one of them because hardcore just isn't lucrative anymore. People are releasing to break even. I don't blame anyone quitting a fight like that. These people use music solely to generate an income while at the same time do what they love doing... And you have to do what you have to do to survive and keep your family alive.

You are so naive - how old are you?

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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
You've seriously got to be kidding me.

You genuinely think there's nothing wrong with filesharing?

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Originally posted by Samination:

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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:

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Originally posted by DjSakari:

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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:

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Originally posted by DjSakari:
"All these bands" as in the ones who did go platinum, and have mass audiences. if piracy was such a problem, then they wouldn't go platinum. All I said was that its a ridiculous sum of money, and I said "QFT" to the guy who produces music for people to have for free, and then you just came out and said I was full of shit, and that I'm an idiot, and started making points irrelevant to what I had said.

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Again, you only replied to one part of my response. This is getting so tedious.

And no, i actually rebutted several of your point from other posts too, which you didn't seem to see, or can't defend against.

Anyway, so you're justifying filesharing, saying it doesn't make a difference, because a few bands go platinum?

YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

Filesharing doesn't HURT the already big names as much as the small guys, because they have a much larger fanbase, and therefore the percentage of people that support them financially for what they do is higher. 50% of 1,000,000 is higher than 50% of 1000.

But it's enough to make a difference that EVERY big artist is against filesharing.

Seriously, you're going to stick to the argument that filesharing doesn't make a difference because a few bands go platinum? Wow....i just... wow. Are you seriously thinking? Because it scares me that someone can't work this out. Ask anyone involved in the music industry and they will tell you, apart from the BIG acts, nobody is selling the same units they used to. And that's everywhere - from pop all the way down to hardcore.

You think P.A.I.D. would exist if it didn't make a difference? Do you think the RIAA are going to such lengths against filesharing just because... they can? Come on dude, seriously think about this. Why are there people from the music industry saying it's ****ed? Artists say they hate it, labels say they hate it - the only person that thinks it doesn't make a difference is you.

Stop being such a numpty and think about this for a second.

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It doesn't make a difference. Millions of people ******* everyday. It's like me going vegan. I know my choice of being vegan won't stop people from killing animals because of the mass of people who eat meat. The RIAA should know the same. They charge one person a huge sum when they could track down the filesharers and charge each of them a small fee. Or they could ban the ******* hosts, which are PUBLIC domains and can be found if you just type it on google. If they got rid of that, the problem would be much less dramatic.

People should still sell their work, but it has become a thing where artists just make the music because they want money. Look at all the artists on the Newgrounds Audio Portal. They all make music because it's a fun and creative art. They also allow all of their creations to be downloaded for free. They don't make money, and they don't care. But if those top rated artists had gigs, they could easily make a large sum off of selling tickets.

If you haven't noticed, I don't say anything about you personally. You keep calling me an idiot and say I'm full of shit. This doesn't help get your message out to me because I don't want to listen to people who start a debate with flaming. So chill out next time.

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If you don't want to be called an idiot, and people say that you're talking shit, then don't act like an idiot, and don't talk shit.

You're not in the music industry, everything your saying is based on opinion. Whether as i am, and i've already given you an example of how filesharing has affected me.

Who cares if they make music to get money. That's what ALL full time musicians do. That doesn't make them bad. How many people do you think work their jobs to get money? Stop being so naive. If they make good music, and they've put in the effort, they should get the money. Regardless of if they want the money or not, you idiot.

You can't compare people on the newgrounds audio portal to professional musicians. For some people it is a hobby, for others it is a profession. You can't justify piracy by saying the people doing it as a profession are wrong - because they aren't. You are wrong.

As for this being a "debate" you've ignored almost all my points for three rebuttals now. If this were a debate, you'd address everything i'm saying, but you don't.

That just indicates to me that you're of sub-standard intelligence, or you can't argue the points.

Look at how many professional producers have left hardcore. It's a lot of contributing factors, but filesharing is one of them because hardcore just isn't lucrative anymore. People are releasing to break even. I don't blame anyone quitting a fight like that. These people use music solely to generate an income while at the same time do what they love doing... And you have to do what you have to do to survive and keep your family alive.

You are so naive - how old are you?

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If you want to call him an idiot, you know who you should blame. The ****ing music scene in all. The big players are ALWAYS late when it comes to technical advances (from live to grammophone, from grammophone to tape, from tape to cd, from cd to digital), yet they turn it around and make PROFITS (just look at the tape and the CD)... and to take into consideration, What they think about filesharing now, is exactly what they thought about the Tape and the CD back then, except filesharing is harder for them to control because it all spans alot more businesses this time around.

Also, please, mention (atleast in digits) how or who many mayor producers have left hardcore, and because of filesharing.

lemme see... Vinylgroover? nah he just didnt like hardcore at all. Trixxy? hm? DJ DNA? well, I dont think USHers where pirates back then (actually some of the haters where producers themselfs). DJ Dave Fade? Well the official reason was family, but you maybe know why?

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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
You've seriously got to be kidding me.

You genuinely think there's nothing wrong with filesharing?

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You've seriously got to be kidding me.

You genuinely think that that's what I said?

oh witty, I just copied your text and edited it. I just broke a copyright law... which is worse than downloading.!!

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No, I never said that. If I never got around to get a job (hint MONEY), I would maybe... MAYBE still be downloading (hardcore) illegally.

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Originally posted by DjSakari:
I'm not naive, and I'm 16 since you were wondering.

If these artists are so into their productions and want to make a living off of them, they will have to evolve with their environment and find ways of selling music otherwise, because filesharing isn't going away.

By the way, I buy my hardcore tracks. I spent $125 on Hardcore last week, and that's all I had since I have no job. So take that for what it's worth.

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Originally posted by Kosmic:
To be honest this isn't really against the law, unless of course you consent to it (but thats another story ;))

I feel the way everythings going with file-sharing, it will 'never' be stopped, unless of course the governments take total control of it all (then we'll really be foooked)

So unless the industry changes completely, were gonna be getting much more stories like this
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Sorry, did you just say filesharing isn't really against the law?

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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:

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Originally posted by Kosmic:
To be honest this isn't really against the law, unless of course you consent to it (but thats another story ;))

I feel the way everythings going with file-sharing, it will 'never' be stopped, unless of course the governments take total control of it all (then we'll really be foooked)

So unless the industry changes completely, were gonna be getting much more stories like this
and who knows where it'll lead

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Sorry, did you just say filesharing isn't really against the law?

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I believe i did, i know you may be 'breaching' copyright by doing so, but that's between you and the company

so it isn't against the law its illegal ;)

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I'm not naive

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Originally posted by DjSakari:
I'm not naive

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no, clearly not.

your posts say otherwise.

not one of your arguments can support itself. Im not going to tear them down because anyone with half a brain can tell they're full of hot air and nothing else.

You have no leg to stand on. Why continue trying. This is an argument you lost before you started typing.

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Originally posted by DjSakari:
Look at all the artists on the Newgrounds Audio Portal. They all make music because it's a fun and creative art. They also allow all of their creations to be downloaded for free. They don't make money, and they don't care. But if those top rated artists had gigs, they could easily make a large sum off of selling tickets.

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Keep music alive don't fileshare.

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