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acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,000 posts Joined: Apr, 2008
Posted - 2009/08/08 : 21:13:17
Recent events have stirred up allot of discomfort in the scene about the future of Hardcore...
Such instances as React going bust, Impacts' departure, Stormtroopers' public fracus with Supreme and UFO, CLSM recently stepping back, and Scott Browns' corner going cold, are reasons for people suspecting hardcore is 'dying'.
The question I'm confused about is whether we are all over reacting? it this just the natural progression of hardcore?
People have said for a while now, that hardcore hasnt changed, and does that mean producers are getting bored with the scene and the music?
Are producers just getting to the point in their life where they dont want to make music anymore? in reality, you cant make music forever... some have families and to be at raves every weekend and across the country isn't suitable for some..
Is commercialism making hardcore a win or lose game? go commercial and you survive, and if you don't go the expensive route?
Whats your opinion. Is hardcore actually dying or are new artists joining and older ones duely leaving? After all, nothing stays the same forever... allot of people are very conservative and dont like change...
Watson. Senior Member
United Kingdom
276 posts Joined: Jun, 2008
Posted - 2009/08/08 : 21:56:40
No, I don't think we are.
Commercialisation IS bad. I appreciate the money aspect it brings, but it's led to the sound being watered down, thus curtailing the enjoyment. The likes of CLXH and HTID compilations are nought more than Clubland at +25% IMO.
For me, the sound is dying. Hardcore just isn't "Hard" anymore. I'm certainly not enjoying a good deal of the recent Hardcore that's released.
Matters aren't going to improve untill the likes of Styles, Hixxy etc take a back seat and let other producers drive the scene.
TheOneNOnly Advanced Member
United States
1,937 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2009/08/08 : 22:17:07
quote:Originally posted by Watson.: For me, the sound is dying. Hardcore just isn't "Hard" anymore. I'm certainly not enjoying a good deal of the recent Hardcore that's released.
Matters aren't going to improve untill the likes of Styles, Hixxy etc take a back seat and let other producers drive the scene.
acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,000 posts Joined: Apr, 2008
Posted - 2009/08/08 : 22:28:55
quote:Originally posted by EvoDave101:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by Watson.:
No, I don't think we are.
For me, the sound is dying. Hardcore just isn't "Hard" anymore. I'm certainly not enjoying a good deal of the recent Hardcore that's released.
gabba?
no. he means that hardcore as we've known it has generally lost its hardness..
in a way, he's right. its just kick, bass, kick, bass lalalala... and then maybe a sample about 'floors' ('take, take, take, take take, take it to the floor')
serious innovation is needed to bring fresh change, and to restore the core. ps, shotgun on the rhyme 'restore the core'.
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,640 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2009/08/08 : 22:52:06
alphamagic going under was a big one too...hardcore pressings and distrubution came to a big ol hault when that happened..
i wasnt too bothered about hardcore being shit until CLSM pulled back...
EvoDave101 Average Member
United Kingdom
174 posts Joined: Jul, 2009
Posted - 2009/08/08 : 22:53:13
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by EvoDave101:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by Watson.:
No, I don't think we are.
For me, the sound is dying. Hardcore just isn't "Hard" anymore. I'm certainly not enjoying a good deal of the recent Hardcore that's released.
gabba?
no. he means that hardcore as we've known it has generally lost its hardness..
in a way, he's right. its just kick, bass, kick, bass lalalala... and then maybe a sample about 'floors' ('take, take, take, take take, take it to the floor')
serious innovation is needed to bring fresh change, and to restore the core. ps, shotgun on the rhyme 'restore the core'.
yeah i agree but if you want hard kicks then you can always listen to some gabba
people are making this type of hardcore because theres a market for it....blame the consumer not the producer
people moan about all this cheese core but when its dropped at an event everyone goes mad for it.....its the era of the internet ravers who just sit and criticise, complaining that hardcores not right for them
Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
4,217 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/08/08 : 23:31:16
quote:Originally posted by EvoDave101:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by EvoDave101:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by Watson.:
No, I don't think we are.
For me, the sound is dying. Hardcore just isn't "Hard" anymore. I'm certainly not enjoying a good deal of the recent Hardcore that's released.
gabba?
no. he means that hardcore as we've known it has generally lost its hardness..
in a way, he's right. its just kick, bass, kick, bass lalalala... and then maybe a sample about 'floors' ('take, take, take, take take, take it to the floor')
serious innovation is needed to bring fresh change, and to restore the core. ps, shotgun on the rhyme 'restore the core'.
yeah i agree but if you want hard kicks then you can always listen to some gabba
people are making this type of hardcore because theres a market for it....blame the consumer not the producer
people moan about all this cheese core but when its dropped at an event everyone goes mad for it.....its the era of the internet ravers who just sit and criticise, complaining that hardcores not right for them
There was a time when all Hardcore was hard, not just Gabber. Tbh Gabba has become too generic too. It's no different, in that respect to UK stuff.
Hardcore.... i don't know it's dying. I mean we still have the HU crew keeping us all going and hopeful, but how long can this last for? Resting our hopes on one small group, all be it an incredibly passionate group. Who knows it may all get too much for them, then we will be in the shit. As for the new artists thing, not counting HU, i've not seen many consistant releases from new guys.
Although it's easy enough to blame people like Hixxy and Styles and companies like AATW for the downfall of Hardcore, they're only here to make money etc. But, maybe we should be looking more inward? How do you think they make their money? People buying their music. Their generic tracks sell, they make more, they then sell and the cycle continues. People even buy their mediocore music to "complete" their collection.
Tbh, i'm tired, hungry (dam non-gym day diet!!!) and i really have forgot what i was going to say. Basically something along of the lines of stop buying shit, generic, mediocore Hard (but not really) core and support the Underground. Eventually the cows at the top will get the message and either be forced to put some effort in or **** off for good and allow new blood to come through.
This statement may or may not be true, make sense, be grammatically correct or even English, but i'm going to sleep.
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Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts Joined: May, 2004
341 hardcore releases
Posted - 2009/08/08 : 23:32:27
A lot of people who have walked away have been making music and playing gigs for years with little to no gain whatsoever so can you blame some of them for going to try something new? People moving on is inevitable, change happens. It's happened before and it will again.
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"Maybe in a day and age in which even our rappers can't get to the end of a verse without having an existential crisis, we should find a place for happy hardcore"
choonland Advanced Member
Colombia
1,100 posts Joined: Dec, 2007
Posted - 2009/08/09 : 00:45:11
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
no. he means that hardcore as we've known it has generally lost its hardness..
in a way, he's right. its just kick, bass, kick, bass lalalala... and then maybe a sample about 'floors' ('take, take, take, take take, take it to the floor')
serious innovation is needed to bring fresh change, and to restore the core. ps, shotgun on the rhyme 'restore the core'.
well imo, in pure musical terms, original happy hardcore wans't that hard either, i mean a bunch of silly piano riffs, and childish synths and vocals...
what was hard about that??? just the distorted kick?
'restore the core' <<<< I really like this concept, sounds awesome for an album name
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