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TheOneNOnly
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 Posted - 2009/12/01 : 20:43:58
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Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
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As in I never take drugs, therefor it's hard to get over the annoying shit in any party I could have the chance to go to. Which means, the scene would piss me off more then me enjoying it, haha.
have you ever been to a rave?
The closest I could get to a rave, yes.
More distracted by kandi kids then anything else.
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Posted - 2009/12/01 : 22:17:56
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Originally posted by Wilky:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I think it's as you said, I'm probably living under a rock! Will try to look out for South events but it always seems to be in Birmingham NEC arena and stuff. Also I'm in Brighton, so London doesn't really seem like the south for us like it is for everyone else =P
Look on the events section on here & ush.net.. U will find shit loads down by your way and not in brum
Nothing near me at the moment =( It's all London/Reading/ or further west to portsmouth/southampton. NYE looks a bit dire >__<
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 10:20:53
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scene and music are the same. cant believe the ammount of people who dont go to parties on here, which is one thing, but to NEVER have gone to a rave as some have said, i mean...i would say you've ever even heard hardcore properly! im sorry, but if you have never stood in a crowd buzzin, feeling the music (not cuz your high, but the system is loud) hands up and screemin with everyone else, jammin out on the dancefloor, not givin a shit what you look like dancing...i dont think i can even listen to your opinions. (maybe a bit harsh)
how can you argue anything from how darren styles' music is shyte, to mc's are stupid (tons of you never or rarely going to parties explains entirely this websites current view on us) to who you think is a good producer, to AATW ruining the scene and the world with there market filling commercialism, to friggin ANYTHING if youve never heard any of it the way its intended and CREATED for. no wonder everyones deffinition of hardcore going downhill is friggin CD compilations. cuz thats all you listen too! go to a party and then tell me how this scene is doing...this thread disturbs me
if you've even gone once then listening to hardcore at home will most probably be different. i listen to hardcore at home all the time (am doing so right now) i listen to the majority of my hardcore at home. but it is not the same as a live show. two different animals.
i realize some people live far from parties or not even the same country, maybe a plane ride away. for you i feel your pain. if you live near a club where they have hardcore parties and dont even wanna try it...dunno why you listen then honestly...
didnt wanna be so negative but im blown away right now tbh
You raise some good points here, and it is a surprise to hear that so many have never been to a Rave.
However, whilst you can reflect on the music differently having been to a Rave, I don't necessarily think that this automatically suggests that you have a better or more valid opinion about the music. I listen to other forms of music and have never been to gigs or concerts, but I am deeply passionate about the music, and defy anyone who can appreciate it any more than me.
What is fair to say though is that you cannot comment on the scene if you've never been involved in it.
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 10:49:47
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It's all London/Reading/
Right where I live. 8-D Ha.
NYE is looking sweet. Slammin' Vinyl at the NEC for me.
I've seen loads of parties advertised down your way though, keep your eyes peeled. People often drop off fliers in independant record shops so that's always worth a check.
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 11:02:29
jester mc, how can music and the scene be the same? goths and emos their scene is the way the dress... our scene is taking drugs, wavin at some lazers and singin along to darren styles and mc norm. that isnt much for off the nxt festival tbh... then you've got everyone involved in the scene djs/promoters & producers.
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 11:28:16
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our scene is taking drugs, wavin at some lazers and singin along to darren styles and mc norm. that isnt much for off the nxt festival tbh... then you've got everyone involved in the scene djs/promoters & producers.
That's a bit worrying that the first thing you mention about the scene is drugs :-/ When I was raving regularly in the early to mid 90's drug taking was prevalent (although I would like to state that I was always stone cold sober), it wasn't what the scene was about. Yes it enhanced the scene for many, but the scene was so much more than this.
It sounds a bit of a cliche but the scene was all about the music and peace, love and unity. It was about like-minded, open-minded, non-judgemental people enjoying a huge 'perty' listening to the music they loved, and embracing the fantastic, friendly, comfortable environment.
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 12:48:44
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Originally posted by Wilky:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I think it's as you said, I'm probably living under a rock! Will try to look out for South events but it always seems to be in Birmingham NEC arena and stuff. Also I'm in Brighton, so London doesn't really seem like the south for us like it is for everyone else =P
Look on the events section on here & ush.net.. U will find shit loads down by your way and not in brum
Nothing near me at the moment =( It's all London/Reading/ or further west to portsmouth/southampton. NYE looks a bit dire >__<
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 13:05:07
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Originally posted by Wilky:
our scene is taking drugs, wavin at some lazers and singin along to darren styles and mc norm. that isnt much for off the nxt festival tbh... then you've got everyone involved in the scene djs/promoters & producers.
That's a bit worrying that the first thing you mention about the scene is drugs :-/ When I was raving regularly in the early to mid 90's drug taking was prevalent (although I would like to state that I was always stone cold sober), it wasn't what the scene was about. Yes it enhanced the scene for many, but the scene was so much more than this.
It sounds a bit of a cliche but the scene was all about the music and peace, love and unity. It was about like-minded, open-minded, non-judgemental people enjoying a huge 'perty' listening to the music they loved, and embracing the fantastic, friendly, comfortable environment.
I used to say that but after 7 years of raving/DJing/throwing raves I can say that the scene is about drugs, first and foremost.
If you took the drugs away, much fewer of us would still be at the events.
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 13:37:23
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Wilky:
our scene is taking drugs, wavin at some lazers and singin along to darren styles and mc norm. that isnt much for off the nxt festival tbh... then you've got everyone involved in the scene djs/promoters & producers.
That's a bit worrying that the first thing you mention about the scene is drugs :-/ When I was raving regularly in the early to mid 90's drug taking was prevalent (although I would like to state that I was always stone cold sober), it wasn't what the scene was about. Yes it enhanced the scene for many, but the scene was so much more than this.
It sounds a bit of a cliche but the scene was all about the music and peace, love and unity. It was about like-minded, open-minded, non-judgemental people enjoying a huge 'perty' listening to the music they loved, and embracing the fantastic, friendly, comfortable environment.
I used to say that but after 7 years of raving/DJing/throwing raves I can say that the scene is about drugs, first and foremost.
If you took the drugs away, much fewer of us would still be at the events.
Also, everybody says the same thing about their early raving days.
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 14:10:59
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Wilky:
our scene is taking drugs, wavin at some lazers and singin along to darren styles and mc norm. that isnt much for off the nxt festival tbh... then you've got everyone involved in the scene djs/promoters & producers.
That's a bit worrying that the first thing you mention about the scene is drugs :-/ When I was raving regularly in the early to mid 90's drug taking was prevalent (although I would like to state that I was always stone cold sober), it wasn't what the scene was about. Yes it enhanced the scene for many, but the scene was so much more than this.
It sounds a bit of a cliche but the scene was all about the music and peace, love and unity. It was about like-minded, open-minded, non-judgemental people enjoying a huge 'perty' listening to the music they loved, and embracing the fantastic, friendly, comfortable environment.
I used to say that but after 7 years of raving/DJing/throwing raves I can say that the scene is about drugs, first and foremost.
If you took the drugs away, much fewer of us would still be at the events.
Its not just hardcore tho.. Its right accross tho whole dance scene...
Shame really as most people who listen to hardcore (music) do so sober
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 14:28:32
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I used to go to most of the hardcore heaven northern inavastion events @ bowlers in manchester... So plz... Dont even go there dude... Fair play i dont go anymore with no job a 3year old kid and one one the way i got more serious things that are way more needy. Also, ive not been arrested for over 12months and wanting to keep it that way, if i hit a rave any time soon id be either banged up or hittin the hospital
fair play mate, making the hard decision but the right one. Family definitely comes first. keep it up
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 14:40:48
Scene just isn't me. I'm all about the music!
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Jester MC
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 17:25:58
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scene and music are the same. cant believe the ammount of people who dont go to parties on here, which is one thing, but to NEVER have gone to a rave as some have said, i mean...i would say you've ever even heard hardcore properly! im sorry, but if you have never stood in a crowd buzzin, feeling the music (not cuz your high, but the system is loud) hands up and screemin with everyone else, jammin out on the dancefloor, not givin a shit what you look like dancing...i dont think i can even listen to your opinions. (maybe a bit harsh)
how can you argue anything from how darren styles' music is shyte, to mc's are stupid (tons of you never or rarely going to parties explains entirely this websites current view on us) to who you think is a good producer, to AATW ruining the scene and the world with there market filling commercialism, to friggin ANYTHING if youve never heard any of it the way its intended and CREATED for. no wonder everyones deffinition of hardcore going downhill is friggin CD compilations. cuz thats all you listen too! go to a party and then tell me how this scene is doing...this thread disturbs me
if you've even gone once then listening to hardcore at home will most probably be different. i listen to hardcore at home all the time (am doing so right now) i listen to the majority of my hardcore at home. but it is not the same as a live show. two different animals.
i realize some people live far from parties or not even the same country, maybe a plane ride away. for you i feel your pain. if you live near a club where they have hardcore parties and dont even wanna try it...dunno why you listen then honestly...
didnt wanna be so negative but im blown away right now tbh
You raise some good points here, and it is a surprise to hear that so many have never been to a Rave.
However, whilst you can reflect on the music differently having been to a Rave, I don't necessarily think that this automatically suggests that you have a better or more valid opinion about the music. I listen to other forms of music and have never been to gigs or concerts, but I am deeply passionate about the music, and defy anyone who can appreciate it any more than me.
What is fair to say though is that you cannot comment on the scene if you've never been involved in it.
i dont wanna say i have a more valid opinion, it sounds bad, lemmie say this...
for almost every other kind of music i would agree with you here. even rock and roll or pop music which sell out stadiums, are usually produced for at home listening. in fact many artists struggle to translate their songs to live instruments for their live shows. especially now a days when a lot of pop and rock has gone a bit dancy. i could be wrong but i dont presume that dance music itsself is produced origonally for home listening. I would think its produced for live shows where the majority of money is made (now i know why this point has never fully come across to some lol) and then possibly remixed for cd's. maybe.
now all music makes a bunch if not most of their money from concerts, but other genres outside dance have to sound good in cd form and for music videos. this is major as both are really just elaborate advertising to come TO the concert. for this reason the tv or cd versons of the song are most important as they are the first impresson of the music.
it may not be the same for all but for myself and the people i know other than a few songs to get us to the party, the majority of early education about the MUSIC AND SCENE were at the raves themselves. dance music therefor should be listened to in its proper invironment first before forming a valid opinion on many of the topics discussed on the boards.
there are other types of music i think you should hear live such as classical or jazz, but even that is not as extream and never hearing hardcore live.
now wilky first off, you are a great example of whats good in the hardcore audience believe me or not lol. i wasnt diggin at you at all. in fact anyone who used to party, but isnt due to their children and staying out of jail, and still listens to hardcore is a ok in my books. im more amazed at the people who have never been to a party, with really no excuse as to why other than "i hate the club scene man" clearly havnt been to any good rave.
as far as the 'scene' being about drugs and seperate from the music. well. as usual its probably different in every time zone on the planet but the way i see it is. OK drugs quite prevelent in most raves. to my experience there are times when i feel discusted at people, or see someone incredibly underage, or doing the drugs themselves out in the open or anything like that. they are usually the smaller crappyer parties with less crowd in a sketchy venue. ive seen ambulences come, and kids run away from parents looking for them. ive puked on the side of buildings and brought booze outside the club (big no no in canada anyway) and yet not once did any of this happen at any party of significance or ligitmacy. if i go to a forest under a billboard in down town toronto ya i might see some grotty things lol. if i go to a proper club with any sort of good line up decenty crowd, security ect. these problem never seem to arise. party is too good for bs y'know? in a healthy scene the drugs are there but ask anyone on them and the will probably just wanna talk about the music or the line-up or how the nights been. not many (there is a few) sit and talk about doing drugs because they could do that at home.
scene and music are the same because there isnt one without the other. the music wouldnt be made if there was no scene (in itsself proof of the connection) and the would be no scene without the music driving it. there is a distinct rave culture. cant argue against that. its changed itself a few times but there is a distinct rave culture seperate from other edm and i can tell you the difference is not the drugs because the drugs are eeeeverywhere!
at no point did i say ftr that you need to do drugs to properly hear hardcore. although personally a few beers and shots makes it pretty fckin awesome!
god topic wilky havnt typed like that in a while!
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 17:57:06
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by Wilky:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I think it's as you said, I'm probably living under a rock! Will try to look out for South events but it always seems to be in Birmingham NEC arena and stuff. Also I'm in Brighton, so London doesn't really seem like the south for us like it is for everyone else =P
Look on the events section on here & ush.net.. U will find shit loads down by your way and not in brum
Nothing near me at the moment =( It's all London/Reading/ or further west to portsmouth/southampton. NYE looks a bit dire >__<
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Er, to be a bit diplomatic here if that's alright ^^;; I basically think that hardcore (and any music really) was produced for love and enjoyment of the music. So if you like listening to it having some fun at home that's cool, and if you like raving it up that's cool too! I suggest to anyone who's never been to a rave to do so! Even if it's just once it's worth it to say "WOW. LOVED IT, Can't wait to go again!" or "Tried it, wasn't my bag really". If you've ever sat in your room listening to music, wanted to keep turning it up higher but for whatever reason you couldn't, then you've gotta get yourself out there and experience it louder and better than ever!
In the end it's Happy Hardcore, you've gotta experience it in a way that makes you happy!
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Posted - 2009/12/02 : 20:00:58
@jester mc
I hear what you're sayin and ur right they both go hand in hand but im just not with the scene at the moment...
For people who havnt been to raves then they havnt experienced "the scene" just listening at home pleasure, therefore not apart of it. You cant be apart of sumthing you havnt experienced.
I dont do drugs anymore and havnt for 4 years... Booze works just as good imo
Im not sayin the hardcore scene dusnt exist, im sayin its just not me...
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