Breakbeat Jon Average Member
United Kingdom
223 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2012/11/17 : 16:07:03
Didn't think too much of the Kurt remix, like the Klubfiller the break is boring as ****,loses all the energy of the original in my opinion. Boring trance strings. Yawn. Wheres the piano?
Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,145 posts Joined: May, 2012
Posted - 2012/12/22 : 13:37:33
In recent years hardcore has been diversifying through experimentation at best and plain raping and pillaging at worst. You can't pick and choose the styles people experiment with or the genres they rip off because that ruins the whole point. Either you want freedom and variation or you don't.
Obviously you don't have to like every tune and it's not anti-variety to hate even entire styles of hardcore but you definitely can't try to stop people producing them. The moment you start inflicting your personal opinion as the new rule, *that* is when you destroy variation.
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Dys7 Advanced Member
United States
1,231 posts Joined: Nov, 2011
Posted - 2012/12/22 : 19:28:02
quote:Originally posted by Elliott:
In recent years hardcore has been diversifying through experimentation at best and plain raping and pillaging at worst. You can't pick and choose the styles people experiment with or the genres they rip off because that ruins the whole point. Either you want freedom and variation or you don't.
Obviously you don't have to like every tune and it's not anti-variety to hate even entire styles of hardcore but you definitely can't try to stop people producing them. The moment you start inflicting your personal opinion as the new rule, *that* is when you destroy variation.
We reject your logical reasoning and substitute it with our own generic insults.
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rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
658 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2012/12/29 : 05:07:21
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
quote:Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
Finally someone who has moved with the times of Hardcore & ain't stuck in the past or hating the new stuff because it doesn't sound like a Raver baby 2002 tune or this tune sucks because it aint got a 1997 kick drum. Hardcore moves with the times FACT, dont hate if you don't move with it, just enjoy everything that Hardcore gave you when you loved it ;)
I certainly don't want to attack your taste of music, but I feel the need to underline my opinion about these new influences. I'll glady except new influences (although I still think Hardcore should go it's own way , which to my opinon is grabbing up all the best from different genres and mixing it together to a rave madness), but neither Minimal, Dubstep or Electro ever will be able to do this, because all of them sound way to opposite compared to Hardcore. It doesn't matter, if I call it boring/disappointing and you call it awesome/interesting.
I know all of you getting tired of my repeatings, but the best way to explain my feeling about this new way of Hardcore is to say: if this is the way how people want Rave Music to sound alike, they prefer coitus interruptus instead of multiple orgasms.
It's simply like producing a country track with electronic guitars and tell the people that's how modern Heavy Metal should sounds or installing an Ambient Trance melody after a Gabba build up and saying that's modern Gabba. It never will be original even if the people repeat themselves hundreds of times.
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quote:Originally posted by Samination:
i was anti-electro/dubstep until they actually dropped the minimalistic drops. then I started to enjoy them alittle more. but still not enough to buy much of it.
To underline my stage of musically tolerance, I share this opinion and even think that some of the Dubstep drops before a build up sound OK, but I dislike exchanging uplifting raveable melodies with shreddered shit (and this is what floods and drowns Hardcore and other Rave Music at the moment). And of course there must be a reason why no one dances to Dubstep besides doing the stupid Robot. To my opinion this is not what rave was meant to be: Freak out!
One thing I find funny how you said minimal is'nt part of hardcore. And out of place in hardcore, well you obviously have never heard Scott Browns and Marc Smiths early hardcore works from the mid 90s. You listen to all the Bouncy techno works. Actually they had crazier more up for it crowds than any of the Raver Baby type events and the whole night was very techno influenced. There is so much more to rave than trance hardcore. House, Techno, Breakbeats have all worked well in hardcore just like Electro and Dubstep do. To be honest I avoid any tracks that sound like trance hardcore on speed like a plague. Has all been done before and gotten plain dull. For me if a producer is'nt pushing boundaries with their sound. I won'nt buy any of their tunes.
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Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,221 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2012/12/29 : 07:47:42
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
One thing I find funny how you said minimal is'nt part of hardcore. And out of place in hardcore, well you obviously have never heard Scott Browns and Marc Smiths early hardcore works from the mid 90s. You listen to all the Bouncy techno works. Actually they had crazier more up for it crowds than any of the Raver Baby type events and the whole night was very techno influenced. There is so much more to rave than trance hardcore. House, Techno, Breakbeats have all worked well in hardcore just like Electro and Dubstep do. To be honest I avoid any tracks that sound like trance hardcore on speed like a plague. Has all been done before and gotten plain dull. For me if a producer is'nt pushing boundaries with their sound. I won'nt buy any of their tunes.
Isn't that because techno in general is a minimalistic/no melody genre? I've always considered Techno be that everyone (older) hates seem to hate with dance music. basicly bass bass bass.
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Alert moderatorEdited by - Samination on 2012/12/29 07:49:05
Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2012/12/29 : 14:47:22
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
One thing I find funny how you said minimal is'nt part of hardcore. And out of place in hardcore, well you obviously have never heard Scott Browns and Marc Smiths early hardcore works from the mid 90s. You listen to all the Bouncy techno works. Actually they had crazier more up for it crowds than any of the Raver Baby type events and the whole night was very techno influenced. There is so much more to rave than trance hardcore. House, Techno, Breakbeats have all worked well in hardcore just like Electro and Dubstep do. To be honest I avoid any tracks that sound like trance hardcore on speed like a plague. Has all been done before and gotten plain dull. For me if a producer is'nt pushing boundaries with their sound. I won'nt buy any of their tunes.
Isn't that because techno in general is a minimalistic/no melody genre? I've always considered Techno be that everyone (older) hates seem to hate with dance music. basicly bass bass bass.
Charger Senior Member
Singapore
278 posts Joined: Jun, 2012
Posted - 2012/12/29 : 16:12:49
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
i was anti-electro/dubstep until they actually dropped the minimalistic drops. then I started to enjoy them alittle more. but still not enough to buy much of it.
To underline my stage of musically tolerance, I share this opinion and even think that some of the Dubstep drops before a build up sound OK, but I dislike exchanging uplifting raveable melodies with shreddered shit (and this is what floods and drowns Hardcore and other Rave Music at the moment). And of course there must be a reason why no one dances to Dubstep besides doing the stupid Robot. To my opinion this is not what rave was meant to be: Freak out!
Do you mean the robot dance like this?
Seems like rave events will end up having only one person on the dancefloor in every arena in the future! XD
Warnman Advanced Member
Germany
2,677 posts Joined: Jun, 2010
Posted - 2012/12/29 : 19:28:46
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
One thing I find funny how you said minimal is'nt part of hardcore. And out of place in hardcore, well you obviously have never heard Scott Browns and Marc Smiths early hardcore works from the mid 90s. You listen to all the Bouncy techno works. Actually they had crazier more up for it crowds than any of the Raver Baby type events and the whole night was very techno influenced. There is so much more to rave than trance hardcore. House, Techno, Breakbeats have all worked well in hardcore just like Electro and Dubstep do. To be honest I avoid any tracks that sound like trance hardcore on speed like a plague. Has all been done before and gotten plain dull. For me if a producer is'nt pushing boundaries with their sound. I won'nt buy any of their tunes.
The best Hardcore is unique and doesn't sound like any other genre: no sped up Trance, Electro, Minimal, Dubstep or any other music.
And to be honest: "minimalist Hardcore" sounds way too contradictory, if you honestly think about it.
We might have a different taste in what we define being minimalist music.
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Warnman Advanced Member
Germany
2,677 posts Joined: Jun, 2010
Posted - 2012/12/29 : 19:36:13
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Isn't that because techno in general is a minimalistic/no melody genre? I've always considered Techno be that everyone (older) hates seem to hate with dance music. basicly bass bass bass.
Funny that you mention this point, because this is what usually the majority of people think about electronic music, if they are not into it. After spending more than half of my life listening to it, I barely notice the bass kick anymore; it only helps me to match the beat.
By the way: a 4 to the floor beat is much older than Techno or any other electronic music genre (Disco, Rock, Folk Music, Tribal dances, etc.).
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Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,221 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2012/12/29 : 21:01:57
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
One thing I find funny how you said minimal is'nt part of hardcore. And out of place in hardcore, well you obviously have never heard Scott Browns and Marc Smiths early hardcore works from the mid 90s. You listen to all the Bouncy techno works. Actually they had crazier more up for it crowds than any of the Raver Baby type events and the whole night was very techno influenced. There is so much more to rave than trance hardcore. House, Techno, Breakbeats have all worked well in hardcore just like Electro and Dubstep do. To be honest I avoid any tracks that sound like trance hardcore on speed like a plague. Has all been done before and gotten plain dull. For me if a producer is'nt pushing boundaries with their sound. I won'nt buy any of their tunes.
The best Hardcore is unique and doesn't sound like any other genre: no sped up Trance, Electro, Minimal, Dubstep or any other music.
And to be honest: "minimalist Hardcore" sounds way too contradictory, if you honestly think about it.
We might have a different taste in what we define being minimalist music.
Too bad the best hardcore IS sampling lots of genre's.
Only stuff I don't think is sampled is the Freeform that started to appear on Bonkers 8-9, which stuff by Sharkey, Tazz & Shanty.
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Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2012/12/29 : 21:48:45
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
One thing I find funny how you said minimal is'nt part of hardcore. And out of place in hardcore, well you obviously have never heard Scott Browns and Marc Smiths early hardcore works from the mid 90s. You listen to all the Bouncy techno works. Actually they had crazier more up for it crowds than any of the Raver Baby type events and the whole night was very techno influenced. There is so much more to rave than trance hardcore. House, Techno, Breakbeats have all worked well in hardcore just like Electro and Dubstep do. To be honest I avoid any tracks that sound like trance hardcore on speed like a plague. Has all been done before and gotten plain dull. For me if a producer is'nt pushing boundaries with their sound. I won'nt buy any of their tunes.
The best Hardcore is unique and doesn't sound like any other genre: no sped up Trance, Electro, Minimal, Dubstep or any other music.
And to be honest: "minimalist Hardcore" sounds way too contradictory, if you honestly think about it.
We might have a different taste in what we define being minimalist music.
Too bad the best hardcore IS sampling lots of genre's.
Only stuff I don't think is sampled is the Freeform that started to appear on Bonkers 8-9, which stuff by Sharkey, Tazz & Shanty.
And that is the best Freeform because of what Warnman said :P I agree with Warnman, although what he describes doesn't happen too often. And that also isn't to say that the rest of the genre isn't good, obviously.
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