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Entity
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 Posted - 2005/10/04 : 00:03:23
Well done dr0p_dead_fred. I take my hat off to you. Firstly it was Gammer, now Deejaybee. Why don't you hang around and lay into every hardcore artist that comes to this site?
Every word Deejaybee said was absolutely spot on - if hardcore kept going the way that it was a few years back it would be dead on it's back. It is now a credible form of music that now has more exposure than it's ever had, yet still retaining it's underground roots.
Yes, I miss the old style, but I have accepted the fact that things move on, and for a reason. This topic is going to be the great divide between people and will be around for as long as hardcore is.
And as for slagging Deejaybee off - what was the point?
The guy is an honest bloke that sticks to his guns and does what he loves, so why criticise him? He's supporting the scene and making some amazing tunes and also just started up a label to help keep hardcore moving on. What are you doing these days to contribute?
Sure, you may not like all his stuff, but don't confuse opinion with fact.
If it wasn't for Deejaybee, I wouldn't have an e.p. coming out in about 6 weeks time! Something that I never thought would happen to a regular Joe like me. Not only is he working his nuts off to push himself and his label, he still finds the time to push others as well to get them on the ladder if he can. He will sit there and write a tune from scratch for you and what credit does he take? just the engineering - the guy is as selfless and decent as it comes.
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zelachang
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 00:28:33
i dont think drop dead fred honestly cares, he's just a forum troll who delights in pissing people off
why he hasn't been banned from the site I really don't know
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B.C
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 01:02:33
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Originally posted by dr0p_dead_fred:
oh so she did buy that software for you? well at least i wasnt wrong, i wasnt trying to belittle you i just was giving some honest criticism
i actually have NEVER heard ANY of your tracks at a rave here in canada, and trust me i would notice but none of the djs would play a track of yours cus it would most likely clear the dancefloor anywhere
Can someone please ban this piece of shit? Or is constant abusive slander and no real sensible contribution to discussion tolerated on this forum?
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jenks
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 01:06:36
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
if there IS other types of hardcore being made besides the popular (not sure how it's popular) stale asda-core style then how come it's not getting on the CDs, the DJs aren't spinning it etc?
I go to a rave and I get bored....
You are so full of shit it is unreal. Just because you don't know of any CD's that have other styles of hardcore on them doesn't mean they don't exist, and when you say DJ's don't spin other styles that just makes me think you don't go to proper raves or you aren't even a raver at all...
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silver
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 05:20:07
fred: For being a troll, personally attacking people, slandering and for the mods to have to delete and lock your topics your posts have been returned to zero.
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dr0p_dead_fred
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 08:32:20
my precious post count =(
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Loz_e
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 08:47:06
All these people that take raverbaby/EP/Evo as a prime example of what hardcore sounds like these days should go and listen to labels such as:
RFU
KFA
Thin n Crispy
Relentless
Nu energy
Switched on
Next Gen
Blatent Beats
Not all of these labels bring back elements of old school into their tracks but a few of them do (next gen/BB/TnC)
And as for the other labels, it may not be 'old school' but it is excellent stuff they produce, fresh sounds that are 10 times better than raverbaby/evo/EP. You just have to look past the stuff that is in your face all the time and do a bit of searching, then you'l find the best of hardcore. Basically most elements of hardcore are still underground and its underground hardcore that is awesome.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 11:35:34
loz_tha_don - spot on.
Bulby G, you know where its at.
I do have problems with deejaybee's reasoning though. Just the whole maturity vibe. The main target for hardcore is the ravers. Here in Australia, the audience is the masses of e-kids that love their vocals, dress up with lots of colours and fur, and still love their glowsticks.
Yes, ravers are who your audience is. And while it might offend you, they are kinda childish. Not in a bad way though. They are happy and loveable. They are those are who support you, the djs.
I think trying to say hardcore has to mature is like saying to the entire rave scene that it has to grow up. But the entire scene is not about that. Its about not-growing up and having a good time, regardless of age, gender, sexual preference or background. Telling the rave scene to mature, to grow up would be taking away from that.
If you want a mature scene, go to jazz or something. You won't get anything but mature people. No emo kids there. Or khandi kids. Or skaters, or punks, or chavs, or gangstas.
I do think that dr0p_dead_fred shouldn't not be included with this bunch of happy go lucky characters of which you speak. We all know that ravers wouldn't do such a thing ;) Unless he admits to wearing khandi and fluffy leg warmers.
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UKr4veR
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 11:46:57
I don't mind what she has on, that's sexy. It's them damm 'kandi kidz' in all them beeds what piss me off
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deejaybee
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 12:15:40
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Originally posted by ryg0r:
loz_tha_don - spot on.
Bulby G, you know where its at.
I do have problems with deejaybee's reasoning though. Just the whole maturity vibe. The main target for hardcore is the ravers. Here in Australia, the audience is the masses of e-kids that love their vocals, dress up with lots of colours and fur, and still love their glowsticks.
Yes, ravers are who your audience is. And while it might offend you, they are kinda childish. Not in a bad way though. They are happy and loveable. They are those are who support you, the djs.
I think trying to say hardcore has to mature is like saying to the entire rave scene that it has to grow up. But the entire scene is not about that. Its about not-growing up and having a good time, regardless of age, gender, sexual preference or background. Telling the rave scene to mature, to grow up would be taking away from that.
If you want a mature scene, go to jazz or something. You won't get anything but mature people. No emo kids there. Or khandi kids. Or skaters, or punks, or chavs, or gangstas.
I do think that dr0p_dead_fred shouldn't not be included with this bunch of happy go lucky characters of which you speak. We all know that ravers wouldn't do such a thing ;) Unless he admits to wearing khandi and fluffy leg warmers.
Going on what others say, I have to disagree... That may be the case over
in OZ but over here in the Uk, the whole Happy thing has near enough died
out to nothing.
Back in 95 etc, yellow jackets, day glow and night sticks were the norm and
that was great consideing the target audiience was just that, the music reflected it well.
Heaps of ravers coming on the internet and moaning about the covers of
albums, even more ravers moaning about being embarassed to buy these
cd's and uk ravers now being of a much more mature variety.
I still have to disagree and say im right. Although im sure it maybe different
over there in oz.
Bee
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deejaybee
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 12:19:40
i would also mention that by making the whole scene much more mature,
we may be looking at increasing our listner base so much more.
I would also say that hardcore is now more of a clubscene than a ravescene.
Changing times my friend, changing times.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 12:27:30
quote:
Originally posted by deejaybee:
Going on what others say, I have to disagree... That may be the case over
in OZ but over here in the Uk, the whole Happy thing has near enough died
out to nothing.
Back in 95 etc, yellow jackets, day glow and night sticks were the norm and
that was great consideing the target audiience was just that, the music reflected it well.
Heaps of ravers coming on the internet and moaning about the covers of
albums, even more ravers moaning about being embarassed to buy these
cd's and uk ravers now being of a much more mature variety.
I still have to disagree and say im right. Although im sure it maybe different
over there in oz.
Bee
Oh dude. The covers for Hardcore Nation 2 are pretty crap. They're more childish than the covers for The Wiggle's CDs. Thats not what I'm on about though. I mean generally, (at least here) the scene is dependent on ravers. Thats the target market and who you have to appease. Of course it varies wildly from city to city (Adelaide loves the NEC and the NEC loves adelaide).
But then again, I'm a person that loves my freeform, my musical complexity and variety.
I for one, will purchase any hardcore CD, regardless of the cover. I pay for my cds even regardless of the content. I do what I can to support this scene.
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 15:31:59
ahh... thank goodness for that.
The return of intelligent discussion.
Respect.
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jenks
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Posted - 2005/10/04 : 17:48:52
quote:
Originally posted by deejaybee:
i would also mention that by making the whole scene much more mature,
we may be looking at increasing our listner base so much more.
I would also say that hardcore is now more of a clubscene than a ravescene.
Changing times my friend, changing times.
All true, but is that necessarily a good thing?
This is the first time I have genuinly been worried about the scene. Why change the scene to suit everyone else? Its always been about the music and having a good time regardless of what anyone else thinks/prefers.
Why make hardcore like every other dance genre?
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mnmcandiez
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Posted - 2005/10/05 : 00:35:53
dont listen to happy hardcore.
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