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acidfluxxbass
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 Posted - 2008/07/04 : 12:50:26
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Originally posted by Fluffbomb:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
It didnt come from hardcore... dnb was around before hardcore... hardcore spanned from dance and was dubbed the rave phenominom and drum and bass emerged in the late 80's and some was just an offshoot of uk hardcore in the early ninties. it then became its own genre. therefore it is in no way a hardcore subgenre..
I really hope thats a joke!
yes............. 
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2008/07/04 : 19:03:08
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
....and to stay on topic.
Here's Brett in 1995 or possibly 1996 with said Akai S2800 -
....it only seems like yesterday. How time flies when you're having fun.
Those curtains look like they could be from an older era though... 
....curtains?
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2008/07/04 : 19:13:22
^^^ Were you working on a remix to 'Trip to the moon?' (if you know which tune that is?)
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2008/07/04 : 20:41:24
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^^^ Were you working on a remix to 'Trip to the moon?' (if you know which tune that is?)
Well, if you think about it, we've been DJing since at least 1989, producing since 1990 and started putting on our own parties back in 1991
the likelihood is that we've got 'Trip To The Moon', as well as other Acen vinyl in our record collection.
So, yes.
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ferocious
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Posted - 2008/07/06 : 12:13:59
Mr. 95 does speak some truth. Some of these guys at the top could push the boat out with what they are doing now and again, even on flip sides. They do have great talent. Feels they are in a happy medium. If someone like Scott Brown did push a different new thing altogether as he has done several times, then it would change things. He's pretty much like Jupiter with all it's moons following around him. Though there is also a cultural aspect that goes hand in hand. A lot of emphasis on compilation CDs and TV adverts right now.
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Originally posted by dj bugbear:
dnb aint hardcore
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
It didnt come from hardcore... dnb was around before hardcore...
All a bit off topic here but in "English rave language" terms of old, D&B was briefly classed as hardcore. When I say "hardcore" I am not on about gabber but breakbeat, nor connecting the two. All English breakbeat styles were referred to as hardcore (ie jungle was also called hardcore and happycore was firstly a type of breakbeat).
Don't forget it was breakbeat (ie hardcore) that was the main English rave music and not this trance club stuff of today from Hixxy and Co. It was entire nights of breakbeat drawing huge crowd numbers. It was all a very different cultural thing, which is as important as the music.
It wasn't until around 1994/95 that the hardcore tag was gradually dropped as the mass market promoted the D&B name. What's happening is people are taking the current 2008 usage of "hardcore" and applying it back to the the early 1990s. Similarly, D&B doesn't want to be connected to today's meaning of hardcore.
Same name but different geographically meaning. For example the word "fanny" can mean both female genitalia and the buttocks depending where you are. Even a person's name. Three very different things but the same word. It actually has a technical name for this evolution of words.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2008/07/06 : 12:42:24
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Originally posted by ferocious:
Don't forget it was breakbeat (ie hardcore) that was the main English rave music and not this trance club stuff of today from Hixxy and Co. It was entire nights of breakbeat drawing huge crowd numbers. It was all a very different cultural thing, which is as important as the music.
It wasn't until around 1994/95 that the hardcore tag was gradually dropped as the mass market promoted the D&B name. What's happening is people are taking the current 2008 usage of "hardcore" and applying it back to the the early 1990s. Similarly, D&B doesn't want to be connected to today's meaning of hardcore.
On discogs it says that Vibes & Wishdokta are a 'Jungle techno and breakbeat hardcore duo formed in 1993 on the happier end of the spectrum.' Meaning the type of Hardcore they then made was sometimes called Jungle but was 'happier' with pianos & speed up vocals! This was the case witha number of Happy Hardcore tracks around 93-95 before the Scottish & Dutch influence of Hardcore kicks toke over. As early as 1992 (meybe even before) there was happier types of Breakbeat Hardcore which where the ecstasy feeling hands in air type tracks which would later become 'Happy Hardcore' as it was and fun fairground sounding!  Tracks like Toytown & Party Time (both from 1995) would have been some of the first English stuff to move away from full on breakbeats & take on a more stomping sound which characterized 95-97 Hardcore!
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Gandhishazny
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Posted - 2008/07/06 : 15:12:16
lets be honest, hardcore has been pretty appaling in the last year or two but recently more tunes are getting back the "serious melodies" and less lyrics which i love. personally best recent tune that love although its hugely similar to the original is the Weaver remix of Enlightened. massive tune!
Nu Foundation - Want Your Love is very promising as well. so i dont think the whole scene has gone to sh*t its slowly getting better again.
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2008/07/06 : 16:50:10
You're right there Gand, Producers are getting away from these endless vocals & are making real hardcore again. It's about time!
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Uproar
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 Posted - 2008/07/06 : 17:26:38
All hail 95_was_the_time! 
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silver
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Posted - 2008/07/07 : 04:44:53
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
It didnt come from hardcore... dnb was around before hardcore...
DnB spawned from hardcore around 93-94. Basically hardcore split into DnB and happy hardcore at that point.
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djepi
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Posted - 2008/07/07 : 09:27:08
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DnB spawned from hardcore around 93-94. Basically hardcore split into DnB and happy hardcore at that point.
Exactly! Hardcore split into went Happy Hardcore and Jungle/Drum and Bass.
Some of the post about the history have been shocking... 80's drum and bass? lol
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2008/07/07 : 13:00:56
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Originally posted by ferocious:
Mr. 95 does speak some truth. Some of these guys at the top could push the boat out with what they are doing now and again, even on flip sides. They do have great talent. Feels they are in a happy medium. If someone like Scott Brown did push a different new thing altogether as he has done several times, then it would change things. He's pretty much like Jupiter with all it's moons following around him. Though there is also a cultural aspect that goes hand in hand. A lot of emphasis on compilation CDs and TV adverts right now.
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Originally posted by dj bugbear:
dnb aint hardcore
quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
It didnt come from hardcore... dnb was around before hardcore...
All a bit off topic here but in "English rave language" terms of old, D&B was briefly classed as hardcore. When I say "hardcore" I am not on about gabber but breakbeat, nor connecting the two. All English breakbeat styles were referred to as hardcore (ie jungle was also called hardcore and happycore was firstly a type of breakbeat).
Don't forget it was breakbeat (ie hardcore) that was the main English rave music and not this trance club stuff of today from Hixxy and Co. It was entire nights of breakbeat drawing huge crowd numbers. It was all a very different cultural thing, which is as important as the music.
It wasn't until around 1994/95 that the hardcore tag was gradually dropped as the mass market promoted the D&B name. What's happening is people are taking the current 2008 usage of "hardcore" and applying it back to the the early 1990s. Similarly, D&B doesn't want to be connected to today's meaning of hardcore.
Same name but different geographically meaning. For example the word "fanny" can mean both female genitalia and the buttocks depending where you are. Even a person's name. Three very different things but the same word. It actually has a technical name for this evolution of words.
that actually the first post that made sence to me in here lol :p tells it exactly.
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djbuzz1021
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Posted - 2008/07/07 : 15:25:29
i think more new comers should be getting into the scene! i mean what wil happen when all the big names age past it and give it up?? then what?? only real people who have made a mark on the hardcore scene is joey riot and kurt and squad-e? and a few mc's
I personaly cant think of anyone else making it big in the past few years. much respect to them there record label is great and there tracks are simply dynamite! so well in to them!
but what for the future???
the future is hardcore!!
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ferocious
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Posted - 2008/07/07 : 20:29:01
Exactly Smoogie. Now you'll be able to tell your grandchildren in years to come.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2008/07/07 : 21:00:09
"i think more new comers should be getting into the scene!"
Aaaaaaaaaahaha!
As if there haven't been people trying. 
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