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PexL
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 Posted - 2011/12/30 : 14:47:56
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well, it's definitly not happy.
And where is the makina? :P
too dude, where is the makina ? In all sites, but in spain?
Now This is in hands of the big djs, and we, The new djs , We are the shit...
Well we need fight ... :)
You remind me of TripleXL somehow :P
TripleXL is a british guy, who produces Makina.
You are a spanish guy, who produced UK Hardcore. :P
I dont remember a boy making uk hardcore from spain ... haha well, IM THE FIRST! lol
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Archefluxx
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Posted - 2011/12/30 : 16:47:01
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but the only guys who have managed to keep the old skool happy vibe within the new, cleaner sounding hardcore have been Archefluxx and Spirit Wolf among a few others.
Im reading through the whole thread. Giggled when I saw this. I assume you're referring to Lane 3 primarily. Irony is, when I first received the track I tried to have a shot at dubcore with it :D
*Keeps reading*
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Posted - 2011/12/30 : 16:51:14
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
but the only guys who have managed to keep the old skool happy vibe within the new, cleaner sounding hardcore have been Archefluxx and Spirit Wolf among a few others.
Im reading through the whole thread. Giggled when I saw this. I assume you're referring to Lane 3 primarily. Irony is, when I first received the track I tried to have a shot at dubcore with it :D
*Keeps reading*
Barbara Streisand & Pikachu were both really happy bouncy numbers too. Your Barbara Streisand remix is like listening to something from Silk Cuts but moved forward 15 years or so
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/12/30 : 17:32:15
You are using Google Translate are you not? =P
Anyways. Where's the Hardcore? Well we only got our Artists themselfs to blame. They make different Hardcore which attractes other people, who might have more money to spend. rinse and repeat
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Archefluxx
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Posted - 2011/12/30 : 17:50:28
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We have two great examples on this site - Archie and Spirit Wolf.
On page 15 now and spotted this :D
ARCHIE?!
Im kidding, Im glad people are recognizing me. I'll have a longer opinion when I finish reading the thread
Edit: Re: Samination saying it wont be long before Spirit Wolf make those styles. Well... never... Ive always made the music Ive enjoyed and released it the way that I enjoy the most. Free and the style I enjoy. Ive never tried to classify my music or aim to produce anything. My average and general sound is something that has simply developed. Often people say that I have my own sound that they can recognise. Well I think thats a good thing.
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Posted - 2011/12/30 : 21:32:52
I read through this expecting to eventually come to my own conclusion about this...
I've honestly lost interest in stuff I dont like. Reading this thread was just frustrating as hell. A big debate about what hardcore is and who listens to it. Its horrible to read. That said, you all have very good points.
Its hard to start on a 19 page thread. So I'll start with my thoughts on Clublands series and the electro minimal hardcore.
Personally, I'm past caring. Its a style of music I dont care for, and I've made that crystal clear - perhaps too much so. I dont really understand what is so euphoric and energetic in a style of music you cant enjoy or put your hands up and absorb. Ive been to clubs that have played the music, and Ive walked out of 90 minute sets early with friends because we thought it was shit. The key doesnt change, and it gets boring! That was at Magaluf at Planet Dance. Its was generally shit no matter what genre. Clubland is also pushing this dubcore thing. You know, Ive never even bothered to listen to it. This whole new direction that hardcore taking, absorbing all these other genres I dont think will be successful and I dont like the outcome sound. Clubland has promoted it for a couple of albums now, and Ive not paid any attention to it. The reason I came into the genre was because I liked what I heard in 2005 or 2006. I loved melodies, and my discoveries of genres naturally led me here. I enjoy that style the most and thats what I continue to listen to. The style is so different to the electro dubby stuff that this new style might aswell be a new genre.
If this is what hardcore is now, then I dont want my music flown under the same flag. Beeps and bops to a 4/4 170bpm beat isnt the same as my music. I dont want my music to be considered the same genre that presents itself to the public as a rebellious dirty frantic scene, and bigs its self up with tracks like "smack you like a bitch" etc. Its similar to how Neko explained it. I think what is hurting us considerably as a genre is what hardcore displays itself as. The adverts hurt us. They display it as loud frantic and as cheesy as possible. High pitched presenter and clips sped up to 200bpm to fit it all in. As a hardcore producer I dont want to be telling my people about my music, while they imagine and remember a Clubland Hardcore advert. Its not what Im all about, and its not what I want my music to be about. The adverts make the genre look filthy, and ironically the music they release is considered 'filth' also. I think we'd go further if the better sides of trancey euphoric music were translated to the public. The atmosphere of hardcore music and the legacy of plur isnt about packed crowds moshing to MC's and shit, shouldnt it be about the peace unity and shit like that?
I produce the music I love. Melodic, fun, melodies, and the occasional change where I try to experiment. If by labeling it as UK Hardcore it is in the same boat as filthy minimal stuff, then Im out. I'll call it Happycore, Freeform, whatever the **** - you know?
There are good points though. No ones ever happy. 2 years ago we wanted something different. Same 2 years before, and so on throughout history. 8 years ago hardcore mimiced trance, and now its mimicing other styles. But you know, the trance style suited me, and it obviously suited a lot of you on here who signed up in the 00's.
In short, I'm past caring. I can only hope that it passes. Clublands labels are ruining the genre by setting this trend, and the culprit whose name appears left right and centre is Breeze. This guy sounds like a total dickhead in the public domain. Telling people to piss off? Real nice of him. Someone tell him this is the entertainment industry, and we hold the right not to be entertained. He's refusing to lend his services or help out in multiple free projects, and its just typical of any money hungry tycoon.
Money does seem to be the big factor here. I mean theres no doubt that Clublands labels ARE commercial, and they sniff out the money and get involved. The commercial house and EDM scenes move toward minimal drops and hardcore follows suit. Remarkably this style appeals to some, but clearly there's opposition to it! Now every ones doing it though, because apparently there's money in it. Raw Elements, Futureworld (Ironic name, given it just wanders brainlessly to wherever other genres go first) and countless smaller labels.
I dont listen to it anymore. I make my music because it mimics the music I love. I listen to other music similar to what I love, and I dont venture any further because its all what I dont enjoy.
I could go on, but there's no point. This point repeats many others Ive made in the past.
To conclude, I think its nice to see some avid and sensible discussion on a hardcore forum for once. Too often we have trolls or bitching wars.
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Posted - 2011/12/30 : 21:57:02
Archefluxx:
a big bunch of true, honest and deep-hearted words.
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Posted - 2011/12/30 : 22:43:38
I expected ranting, I expecting flaming, but I think you pretty much nailed it for the most part, Olly. I'm bored of it as well, to the point I've stopped taking interest, my only concern is the same as yours - if that's 'hardcore' then count me out - I'll call my music anything else to avoid the current scene and the image it carries.
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LoveThaCore
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Posted - 2012/01/06 : 05:28:46
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i was reading through Breezes posts last night and some guy told him that he didn't want any electro/dubstep influenced stuff any Breeze responded by saying that this new influence is how hardcore is progressing and how this is what modern hardcore is. If u dont like it then piss off to 2003.
Sources:Breezes facebook, My paraphrasing
Breeze acts like a fcuking prick on facebook. No idea what he's like in real life, and I have a colossal amount of respect for him, musically - but some of the stuff he comes out with, you just think "Come on mate, you must be, what, 40? And you're acting like a defensive little girl."
Yeah it's that 'You don't agree with me therefore you're a hater' nonsense that I see so many DJs and producers coming out with. The word 'hater' is just a way for idiots to deal with criticism they can't take, it makes them feel important in a roundabout way ("wow I'm so popular I have haters as well as fans"). People who seriously make use of the word 'hater' have a severe personality disorder they should probably get checked out.
Breeze has spent most of his time DJing at raves where the only bad criticism he's used to is maybe a few hecklers and some bad record sales, he doesn't understand internet culture and hasn't been a part of it. He needs to understand that it's a different game here and that people WILL criticize you openly, personally I would take that as a godsend but some people refuse to believe they're doing anything that could dissatisfy others so they write them off as 'haters' or 'keyboard warriors'. The funny part is that the internet has gotten a lot, lot kinder in recent years in regards to criticism etc. he wouldn't have stood a chance a few years ago before the days of facebook and twitter, the internet would have destroyed him.
I don't know where you got bad record sales from. Sounds like your making stuff up!!! Actually his label Future World has had numerous number ones on Trackitdown. That's the trouble with people like you. You put shit on all the people that are making music YOU don't like. I spose you don't like Recon, Klubfiller, Styles, Squade as well???
WHO MADE YOU JUDGE JURY AND EXECUTIONER of what hardcore people should listen to Nekoshuffle??? I think your self appointed LOL:)
You're an idiot, listen to what DMS said because he is spot on. I've told you many times in many threads about why this style of hardcore is awful and all you do is pick a moot point from the long posts I write and then tell me some crap about trackitdown sales which don't actually account for all that much.
There's a lot of hardcore I don't like, doesn't mean I think it's bad. But the Electro/Dubstep/Minimal hardcore is bad, as DMS said, there's nothing unique or creative about taking whatever is popular, whacking it up an extra 40 BPM and trying to pass it off as the 'future of hardcore'. I LOVE Bananaman, Force & Styles, Hopscotch, all the really cheesy 1996 happy hardcore on Essential Platinum etc. but if someone tried to tell me it was the future of hardcore I'd say that's stupid because as much as I like it it's far too basic as a genre to really be the future of anything. This has nothing to do with what I do or don't like.
I'm a massive fan of Styles and Squad-E and I have loads of Re-Con tunes thank you very kindly. Last month I spent over 1000 canadian dollars on a trip to fly 4000 miles to Toronto to see Re-Con and Technikore and next March I'll be doing the exact same to see Force & Styles; so be careful what you say when you start throwing accusations around with no factual basis.
You're just an idiot trying to justify your tastes by flinging shit at me and trying to call me a liar; you never respond intelligently to any of my posts and constantly dodge questions I pose, so to be honest I don't think you have a leg to stand on. You are ignorant and completely in denial that the music you like is simply bad and you try to justify this by telling everyone else that they need to 'get with the times'. I was listening to (and enjoying) electro before anyone knew who Deadmau5 was and I was listening to dubstep before Styles released Skydivin'
I don't hold anything against Breeze or anyone for producing dubstepcore or electrocore, I produce as well and I wouldn't like it if someone told me what I could and couldn't make, but at the end of the day the simple fact is that it is not the future of hardcore and to act as though it is will cause more problems for this scene which it really doesn't need. Maybe being from Australia you probably think that everyone listens to hardcore here, let me clarify; a TINY percentage of the UK listens to hardcore. 3 tracks on Kutski's show that airs at 1-3am every friday night when most people are asleep or busy is the most amount of mainstream exposure hardcore gets here. Occassionally, we get a hardcore guest mix, and as you have probably seen; it gets a multi-page thread and almost everyone has a listen.
And you say Vinylgroover made Hard Dance shite, actually since he transferred to the hard dance scene it's just grown and grown and grown. Hard Dance is much bigger than Hardcore right now, I talk to Scott every now and again and he's always doing photoshoots, getting interviewed, working on artist albums, collaborating with massive names and DJing huge parties with massive lineups that draw international crowds, I'm not even a fan of Hard Dance outside of hearing it at raves when it's alongside hardcore, but it's thriving and people love it. Cyberdog practically redesigned half of its clothes, stock and CD selection because Hard Dance has grown so much, you'll never see that happen for hardcore because as I said in the Kutski thread - it's associated with Chavs and the public doesn't want to touch it. Global Gathering got rid of it's hard dance stage for all the harder styles of electronic music just because they don't like the crowd it attracts - which you can blame the arseholes that Hardcore and Drum n Bass attracts.
If the music was good I wouldn't be sat here arguing about it on a friday or saturday night I'd be out there raving to it, but alas it isn't good and that is the thing that you fail to understand. I honestly don't know how I can simplify this any further. There are so many people complaining about the dubsteppy/electro hardcore, many of them have already shown they're intelligent enough to argue their points with reasoned debate and logic and all you do is rush in calling people liars and making personal attacks on them because they don't like what you like. If you like the new sound of hardcore, good, that is honestly a good thing and I'm glad you enjoy it, but don't come in arguing the odds as if you actually know something about the genre because it's evident that you don't know a thing about it and are just trying to justify your tastes because you don't like admitting the fact it is comparitively bad music.
Man you just totally contradicted yourself again. Because you say it's bad that makes it bad does it??? If people are all complaining about it, why is it still selling well and played at raves?? Also why did recon and styles "like a bitch" win hardcore track of the year?? Which is electro hardcore and was voted by the ravers. Yes the ravers voted for an electro hardcore track. Oh no, but Necko wanker knows best. He's the only one that's right. He's judge jury and executioner of the hardcore scene. He knows more than Breeze who been djing before Necko wanker was born. Neck knows everything. And as soon as someone proves Necko wrong, they are an idiot apparently. No everyone hates electro and dubstep in hardcore because Necko says so. Even though Gammers plays it every weekend and has been voted best hardcore dj by the ravers. No but because Necko says it's bad music, it won't be made in future. There for Necko is right everybody.
Also you say I don't know a thing about Hardcore. Well I saw everyone complaining about trance hardcore in 1999 when it changed from the 90's happy sounds. Is it still around?? Yes it is dickhead.. How old were you in 1999? Yes 8 years old!!! So how the fark would you know what your talking about. I'm pretty sure your mum was still wiping your ass at that age judging by your intelligence and the way you making out you know it all when your just a wannabe..
As for flying shit, you are always doing it towards Breeze or anyone that likes music you don't like. Maybe Hard dance has grown, but why have so many hard dance djs dipped out of the dj top 100?
Like I said, people complain about music when it evolves or changes and you are just going to have to accept it. And stop being arrogant because you don't like it. You just can't hack generational change at raves with the music and just carry on like a total fool.
LOL!!! Tries to call me an idiot yet spells my name wrong despite it being WRITTEN next to my all posts? BIG fail.
And also you missed the point about trance hardcore, this is the exact same thing I told CC: Trance Hardcore uses melodies, riffs, pianos; a wide variety of instruments and has the potential to innovate a lot and can create a wide variety of music as a result. Electro and dubstep hardcore use arbitrary noises and those noises aren't even memorable in the first place. It's not opinion that it's musically less flexible - it's fact.
Like it or not, it will be the death of that style, if you listened to the clubland 8 preview you can already hear that they're just taking the original upfront vocal sound and simply layering a few electro effects over the top. It's already reached the end of its tether, you can argue that all you want, but you'd be arguing against a fact. Good luck with that.
Me: Facts with reasoned debate
You: Calling me a wanker, spelling my name wrong (Stil LOLing about that), and dodging questions.
Just stop before you make yourself look even more ridiculous.
Oh and also the top 100 djs poll is notoriously fixed and last year it was even proven to be fixed. Also not to mention that the hardcore heaven awards are too; it might be worth noting also that virtually every single nominee in that category was a minimal/electro track so it doesn't really account for much.
You are so full of shit with everything, Ok so the Hardcore Awards and dj top 100s are fixed. So give me some eveidence instead of bullcrap alligations which you constantly make up. Come on lets see some hard eveidence at why these are all fixed????
I'm over arguing about what you think about electro hardcore. All I can say is Electro Hardcore tunes are consistently number one on Trackitdown. I suppose that is rigged too according to you.
Also people like you say electro is a fad. Well it's been going well over 5 years. A pretty long fad if you ask me. Anyways keep pushing out more shit like you always do. I'm pretty sure your mum ate it for breakfast when you were born lol... That's why you say so much of it and make up so many things like Hardcore awards being rigged, nobody buying breezes music, dj top 100 being rigged. Yes this is all true according to Neko.
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Posted - 2012/01/06 : 06:37:29
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i was reading through Breezes posts last night and some guy told him that he didn't want any electro/dubstep influenced stuff any Breeze responded by saying that this new influence is how hardcore is progressing and how this is what modern hardcore is. If u dont like it then piss off to 2003.
Sources:Breezes facebook, My paraphrasing
Breeze acts like a fcuking prick on facebook. No idea what he's like in real life, and I have a colossal amount of respect for him, musically - but some of the stuff he comes out with, you just think "Come on mate, you must be, what, 40? And you're acting like a defensive little girl."
Yeah it's that 'You don't agree with me therefore you're a hater' nonsense that I see so many DJs and producers coming out with. The word 'hater' is just a way for idiots to deal with criticism they can't take, it makes them feel important in a roundabout way ("wow I'm so popular I have haters as well as fans"). People who seriously make use of the word 'hater' have a severe personality disorder they should probably get checked out.
Breeze has spent most of his time DJing at raves where the only bad criticism he's used to is maybe a few hecklers and some bad record sales, he doesn't understand internet culture and hasn't been a part of it. He needs to understand that it's a different game here and that people WILL criticize you openly, personally I would take that as a godsend but some people refuse to believe they're doing anything that could dissatisfy others so they write them off as 'haters' or 'keyboard warriors'. The funny part is that the internet has gotten a lot, lot kinder in recent years in regards to criticism etc. he wouldn't have stood a chance a few years ago before the days of facebook and twitter, the internet would have destroyed him.
I don't know where you got bad record sales from. Sounds like your making stuff up!!! Actually his label Future World has had numerous number ones on Trackitdown. That's the trouble with people like you. You put shit on all the people that are making music YOU don't like. I spose you don't like Recon, Klubfiller, Styles, Squade as well???
WHO MADE YOU JUDGE JURY AND EXECUTIONER of what hardcore people should listen to Nekoshuffle??? I think your self appointed LOL:)
You're an idiot, listen to what DMS said because he is spot on. I've told you many times in many threads about why this style of hardcore is awful and all you do is pick a moot point from the long posts I write and then tell me some crap about trackitdown sales which don't actually account for all that much.
There's a lot of hardcore I don't like, doesn't mean I think it's bad. But the Electro/Dubstep/Minimal hardcore is bad, as DMS said, there's nothing unique or creative about taking whatever is popular, whacking it up an extra 40 BPM and trying to pass it off as the 'future of hardcore'. I LOVE Bananaman, Force & Styles, Hopscotch, all the really cheesy 1996 happy hardcore on Essential Platinum etc. but if someone tried to tell me it was the future of hardcore I'd say that's stupid because as much as I like it it's far too basic as a genre to really be the future of anything. This has nothing to do with what I do or don't like.
I'm a massive fan of Styles and Squad-E and I have loads of Re-Con tunes thank you very kindly. Last month I spent over 1000 canadian dollars on a trip to fly 4000 miles to Toronto to see Re-Con and Technikore and next March I'll be doing the exact same to see Force & Styles; so be careful what you say when you start throwing accusations around with no factual basis.
You're just an idiot trying to justify your tastes by flinging shit at me and trying to call me a liar; you never respond intelligently to any of my posts and constantly dodge questions I pose, so to be honest I don't think you have a leg to stand on. You are ignorant and completely in denial that the music you like is simply bad and you try to justify this by telling everyone else that they need to 'get with the times'. I was listening to (and enjoying) electro before anyone knew who Deadmau5 was and I was listening to dubstep before Styles released Skydivin'
I don't hold anything against Breeze or anyone for producing dubstepcore or electrocore, I produce as well and I wouldn't like it if someone told me what I could and couldn't make, but at the end of the day the simple fact is that it is not the future of hardcore and to act as though it is will cause more problems for this scene which it really doesn't need. Maybe being from Australia you probably think that everyone listens to hardcore here, let me clarify; a TINY percentage of the UK listens to hardcore. 3 tracks on Kutski's show that airs at 1-3am every friday night when most people are asleep or busy is the most amount of mainstream exposure hardcore gets here. Occassionally, we get a hardcore guest mix, and as you have probably seen; it gets a multi-page thread and almost everyone has a listen.
And you say Vinylgroover made Hard Dance shite, actually since he transferred to the hard dance scene it's just grown and grown and grown. Hard Dance is much bigger than Hardcore right now, I talk to Scott every now and again and he's always doing photoshoots, getting interviewed, working on artist albums, collaborating with massive names and DJing huge parties with massive lineups that draw international crowds, I'm not even a fan of Hard Dance outside of hearing it at raves when it's alongside hardcore, but it's thriving and people love it. Cyberdog practically redesigned half of its clothes, stock and CD selection because Hard Dance has grown so much, you'll never see that happen for hardcore because as I said in the Kutski thread - it's associated with Chavs and the public doesn't want to touch it. Global Gathering got rid of it's hard dance stage for all the harder styles of electronic music just because they don't like the crowd it attracts - which you can blame the arseholes that Hardcore and Drum n Bass attracts.
If the music was good I wouldn't be sat here arguing about it on a friday or saturday night I'd be out there raving to it, but alas it isn't good and that is the thing that you fail to understand. I honestly don't know how I can simplify this any further. There are so many people complaining about the dubsteppy/electro hardcore, many of them have already shown they're intelligent enough to argue their points with reasoned debate and logic and all you do is rush in calling people liars and making personal attacks on them because they don't like what you like. If you like the new sound of hardcore, good, that is honestly a good thing and I'm glad you enjoy it, but don't come in arguing the odds as if you actually know something about the genre because it's evident that you don't know a thing about it and are just trying to justify your tastes because you don't like admitting the fact it is comparitively bad music.
Man you just totally contradicted yourself again. Because you say it's bad that makes it bad does it??? If people are all complaining about it, why is it still selling well and played at raves?? Also why did recon and styles "like a bitch" win hardcore track of the year?? Which is electro hardcore and was voted by the ravers. Yes the ravers voted for an electro hardcore track. Oh no, but Necko wanker knows best. He's the only one that's right. He's judge jury and executioner of the hardcore scene. He knows more than Breeze who been djing before Necko wanker was born. Neck knows everything. And as soon as someone proves Necko wrong, they are an idiot apparently. No everyone hates electro and dubstep in hardcore because Necko says so. Even though Gammers plays it every weekend and has been voted best hardcore dj by the ravers. No but because Necko says it's bad music, it won't be made in future. There for Necko is right everybody.
Also you say I don't know a thing about Hardcore. Well I saw everyone complaining about trance hardcore in 1999 when it changed from the 90's happy sounds. Is it still around?? Yes it is dickhead.. How old were you in 1999? Yes 8 years old!!! So how the fark would you know what your talking about. I'm pretty sure your mum was still wiping your ass at that age judging by your intelligence and the way you making out you know it all when your just a wannabe..
As for flying shit, you are always doing it towards Breeze or anyone that likes music you don't like. Maybe Hard dance has grown, but why have so many hard dance djs dipped out of the dj top 100?
Like I said, people complain about music when it evolves or changes and you are just going to have to accept it. And stop being arrogant because you don't like it. You just can't hack generational change at raves with the music and just carry on like a total fool.
LOL!!! Tries to call me an idiot yet spells my name wrong despite it being WRITTEN next to my all posts? BIG fail.
And also you missed the point about trance hardcore, this is the exact same thing I told CC: Trance Hardcore uses melodies, riffs, pianos; a wide variety of instruments and has the potential to innovate a lot and can create a wide variety of music as a result. Electro and dubstep hardcore use arbitrary noises and those noises aren't even memorable in the first place. It's not opinion that it's musically less flexible - it's fact.
Like it or not, it will be the death of that style, if you listened to the clubland 8 preview you can already hear that they're just taking the original upfront vocal sound and simply layering a few electro effects over the top. It's already reached the end of its tether, you can argue that all you want, but you'd be arguing against a fact. Good luck with that.
Me: Facts with reasoned debate
You: Calling me a wanker, spelling my name wrong (Stil LOLing about that), and dodging questions.
Just stop before you make yourself look even more ridiculous.
Oh and also the top 100 djs poll is notoriously fixed and last year it was even proven to be fixed. Also not to mention that the hardcore heaven awards are too; it might be worth noting also that virtually every single nominee in that category was a minimal/electro track so it doesn't really account for much.
You are so full of shit with everything, Ok so the Hardcore Awards and dj top 100s are fixed. So give me some eveidence instead of bullcrap alligations which you constantly make up. Come on lets see some hard eveidence at why these are all fixed????
I'm over arguing about what you think about electro hardcore. All I can say is Electro Hardcore tunes are consistently number one on Trackitdown. I suppose that is rigged too according to you.
Also people like you say electro is a fad. Well it's been going well over 5 years. A pretty long fad if you ask me. Anyways keep pushing out more shit like you always do. I'm pretty sure your mum ate it for breakfast when you were born lol... That's why you say so much of it and make up so many things like Hardcore awards being rigged, nobody buying breezes music, dj top 100 being rigged. Yes this is all true according to Neko.
To be honest, electro hardcore is scattered all over the Tid charts. Average stuff ends up wherever, stuff from producers who've been in the scene like Sy & Unknown will always end up top. Its not so much their music that does that, its probably their name on the music. Its as effective as branding. People see the name "Dougal & Gammer" and recognize it and instantly pay more attention to it than anything else.
The awards is a popularity contest. I thought the fact it was rigged was commonplace. We don't know if it is, but we sure as hell know its not fair. How does a name like Sc@r contest against names promoted and funded by an AATW subsidiary like Futureworld and Breeze? How can anyone contend in the categories when 9 times out of 10 someone supported by AATW in one way or another is going to win? Who the **** is DJ MOB?
The fact that electro hardcores been going for 5 years? I think its come into widespread prominence this past year/year and a half. The top dogs do it and everyone wants a piece of the action and in the end pretty much everyone does it. Thats not been going on over the past 5 years. I think the biggest change in the past 5 years is the fact that more and more people have been able to enter hardcore and start producing with their own label. The digital age started and hardcores had to adapt to it. Electro core wont kill hardcore or make it. The fad will last as long as any other genre. Its a style thats easy to get bored of and I think that once the top genre's develop on the sound and take it one step further, hardcore will merrily hop-a-long led by the sniffer hounds Styles & Breeze or the rest of the Clubland posse.
Of course hardcore will never match up to the standard of other genres. We'll just have second rate stuff proffessionally mastered and ameturishly produced almost entirely reliant on Nexus samples. (Looks at Sy & Unknown)
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2012/01/06 : 11:45:40
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All I can say is don't waste time complaining about what you don't like on the internet. Instead, promote the hell out of what you do like. That is something that you can do, and it will make a difference to the people you are supporting, and it will help push the scene in the direction you want it to go. If enough people agree with you, whoop! If not, well, you just have to accept that what you like isn't for everyone, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Like the age old philosopher and man of many talents Bill Cosby said "I do not know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try and please everyone" lol.
PEOPLE PLEASE TAKE NOTE FROM THOSE STATEMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No offence but we're on a forum to discuss the music and what we think about, if you don't like it then go away. Opinions will clash, viewpoints will differ - if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, you're not on facebook anymore. You can't just barge into the thread and tell people to stop debating, some of us are trying to learn things and understand the opinions of others because we value intelligence rather than USING CAPSLOCK TO GET A POINT ACROSS.
Woah, were in my post did i say "stop debating"? I was just really agreeing with Luna on the subject of promoting the hell out of what you do like, maybe i should have taken the first sentence out. I also think you need to chill a bit, saying about me barging into a thread and saying stop debating. It was everything else in Luna's post i was meant to be SHOUTING ABOUT.
Hope we cleared things up there dude. My bad for not deleting the first sentence from Luna's quote.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2012/01/06 : 12:57:54
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PROVING THE POINT YOU HAVE AN OPINION OVER AND OVER IS BORING NOW, ESPECIALLY 13 pages
I'll just leave this here.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2012/01/06 : 13:57:21
Interesting post on Hixxy's facebook if anybody's seen it. Not going to try and reproduce it all here but it makes sense. Basically says - if you don't like the changes in the music, either vote with your feet or seek out what you do like. Unfortunately doesn't cover the 'copycat' nature of producers following the trend but a good post nonetheless.
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/01/06 : 17:17:47
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Interesting post on Hixxy's facebook if anybody's seen it. Not going to try and reproduce it all here but it makes sense. Basically says - if you don't like the changes in the music, either vote with your feet or seek out what you do like. Unfortunately doesn't cover the 'copycat' nature of producers following the trend but a good post nonetheless.
saw it on my FB, thought it was directed at me :P
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2012/01/06 : 17:18:07
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Interesting post on Hixxy's facebook if anybody's seen it. Not going to try and reproduce it all here but it makes sense. Basically says - if you don't like the changes in the music, either vote with your feet or seek out what you do like. Unfortunately doesn't cover the 'copycat' nature of producers following the trend but a good post nonetheless.
It was a very good post, I have to disagree with a few bits, like the Drum n Bass and Gabber part, I've always referred to tracks as being Drum n Bass or Gabber influenced if they are, same applies to anything influenced by any style. And also the Can Can tune isn't the cheesiest track you can find :P but that's more of a challenge to me than something I'd argue.
I'll debate about the new hardcore, I think it's bad and I'll say why I think so with careful evaluation, but now I try and spend my time pointing people in the direction of Hardcore Underground and other labels. I don't really get anything out of it as I'm a cheesy happy hardcore guy and no label is exclusively making that right now, but I'm tired of going to raves and seeing the same old headliners, so if I push the other labels then hopefully I'll have more raves to choose from and more DJs to see.
There are so many ravers out there who hate the new style but only hear about the raves that play it, if we can get them into the Hardcore Underground side of things via Facebook (which I'm 99% sure they'll love) they'll probably begin to realise there's a whole new world that exists outside of HTID, Slammin, Raver Baby etc. and look into the smaller labels too; and before you know it - the scene splits, ravers spread themselves out and bad attitudes begin to dissolve and new labels/DJs/Producers get a chance, not to mention the smaller labels are normally a bit more internationally-connected, so you're effectively helping out Hardcore in other countries too. Not to mention that because all the ravers aren't in one place, you're removing a fair amount of money from the scene and discouraging those who are in it for profit and the music becomes more about love than money.
Just by promoting underground music you start a huge chain reaction with massive repurcussions across the entire scene, even if you don't like said music that much, you're completely changing things, it's one of the most PLUR things you can do for the scene IMO.
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