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NekoShuffle
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 Posted - 2011/12/03 : 15:11:02
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by deathproof627:
i was reading through Breezes posts last night and some guy told him that he didn't want any electro/dubstep influenced stuff any Breeze responded by saying that this new influence is how hardcore is progressing and how this is what modern hardcore is. If u dont like it then piss off to 2003.
Sources:Breezes facebook, My paraphrasing
Breeze acts like a fcuking prick on facebook. No idea what he's like in real life, and I have a colossal amount of respect for him, musically - but some of the stuff he comes out with, you just think "Come on mate, you must be, what, 40? And you're acting like a defensive little girl."
Yeah it's that 'You don't agree with me therefore you're a hater' nonsense that I see so many DJs and producers coming out with. The word 'hater' is just a way for idiots to deal with criticism they can't take, it makes them feel important in a roundabout way ("wow I'm so popular I have haters as well as fans"). People who seriously make use of the word 'hater' have a severe personality disorder they should probably get checked out.
Breeze has spent most of his time DJing at raves where the only bad criticism he's used to is maybe a few hecklers and some bad record sales, he doesn't understand internet culture and hasn't been a part of it. He needs to understand that it's a different game here and that people WILL criticize you openly, personally I would take that as a godsend but some people refuse to believe they're doing anything that could dissatisfy others so they write them off as 'haters' or 'keyboard warriors'. The funny part is that the internet has gotten a lot, lot kinder in recent years in regards to criticism etc. he wouldn't have stood a chance a few years ago before the days of facebook and twitter, the internet would have destroyed him.
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2011/12/03 : 15:32:34
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:I think it's nice Breeze is doing something commercial for the scene, we need that, however it wouldn't kill to throw some tracks out for the real ravers who have stuck with the music for just as long, instead of telling them what is essentially 'My tastes are changing, so should yours.'
That is fcuking bang on.
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Vladel
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Posted - 2011/12/03 : 21:09:15
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Apparently xtreme 8 is going to be the most un-cheesey clubland yet, they (S&B) wanted to toughen it up this year.
They probably bought HU5
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Warnman
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Posted - 2011/12/03 : 21:17:50
Breeze and any other producers should do whatever comes to their minds. But they shouldn't cry, when sales volume is not satisfying.
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Karthy
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Posted - 2011/12/04 : 02:05:58
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by deathproof627:
i was reading through Breezes posts last night and some guy told him that he didn't want any electro/dubstep influenced stuff any Breeze responded by saying that this new influence is how hardcore is progressing and how this is what modern hardcore is. If u dont like it then piss off to 2003.
Sources:Breezes facebook, My paraphrasing
Breeze acts like a fcuking prick on facebook. No idea what he's like in real life, and I have a colossal amount of respect for him, musically - but some of the stuff he comes out with, you just think "Come on mate, you must be, what, 40? And you're acting like a defensive little girl."
Yeah it's that 'You don't agree with me therefore you're a hater' nonsense that I see so many DJs and producers coming out with. The word 'hater' is just a way for idiots to deal with criticism they can't take, it makes them feel important in a roundabout way ("wow I'm so popular I have haters as well as fans"). People who seriously make use of the word 'hater' have a severe personality disorder they should probably get checked out.
Breeze has spent most of his time DJing at raves where the only bad criticism he's used to is maybe a few hecklers and some bad record sales, he doesn't understand internet culture and hasn't been a part of it. He needs to understand that it's a different game here and that people WILL criticize you openly, personally I would take that as a godsend but some people refuse to believe they're doing anything that could dissatisfy others so they write them off as 'haters' or 'keyboard warriors'. The funny part is that the internet has gotten a lot, lot kinder in recent years in regards to criticism etc. he wouldn't have stood a chance a few years ago before the days of facebook and twitter, the internet would have destroyed him.
While somewhat true, there are actually people you can generalise as haters. Those who hate with no reasoning behind their hate, the ones who hate just to annoy, the trolls. Unfortunately it requires judgement to seperate the trolls from those who you should genuinely take into account with bad criticism, something I've seen most hardcore artists not have.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/12/04 : 02:26:34
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Originally posted by Karthy:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by deathproof627:
i was reading through Breezes posts last night and some guy told him that he didn't want any electro/dubstep influenced stuff any Breeze responded by saying that this new influence is how hardcore is progressing and how this is what modern hardcore is. If u dont like it then piss off to 2003.
Sources:Breezes facebook, My paraphrasing
Breeze acts like a fcuking prick on facebook. No idea what he's like in real life, and I have a colossal amount of respect for him, musically - but some of the stuff he comes out with, you just think "Come on mate, you must be, what, 40? And you're acting like a defensive little girl."
Yeah it's that 'You don't agree with me therefore you're a hater' nonsense that I see so many DJs and producers coming out with. The word 'hater' is just a way for idiots to deal with criticism they can't take, it makes them feel important in a roundabout way ("wow I'm so popular I have haters as well as fans"). People who seriously make use of the word 'hater' have a severe personality disorder they should probably get checked out.
Breeze has spent most of his time DJing at raves where the only bad criticism he's used to is maybe a few hecklers and some bad record sales, he doesn't understand internet culture and hasn't been a part of it. He needs to understand that it's a different game here and that people WILL criticize you openly, personally I would take that as a godsend but some people refuse to believe they're doing anything that could dissatisfy others so they write them off as 'haters' or 'keyboard warriors'. The funny part is that the internet has gotten a lot, lot kinder in recent years in regards to criticism etc. he wouldn't have stood a chance a few years ago before the days of facebook and twitter, the internet would have destroyed him.
While somewhat true, there are actually people you can generalise as haters. Those who hate with no reasoning behind their hate, the ones who hate just to annoy, the trolls. Unfortunately it requires judgement to seperate the trolls from those who you should genuinely take into account with bad criticism, something I've seen most hardcore artists not have.
Trolls aren't haters, trolls are trolls. They're the total opposite of a hater, they couldn't care less...they just wanna get a rise out of people. They'd troll themselves if they tried to troll something that actually angers them.
If they have nothing to say but hate - ignore them. And if you can't take criticism, then ignore that too. But don't disregard the intelligent people as haters just because they have opinions you don't like hearing.
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Posted - 2011/12/04 : 02:58:10
People hate for the sake of hating. That makes them trolls.
People with opinions hate because they have an opinion that may not favour whatever is under scrutiny
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2011/12/04 : 18:28:38
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by deathproof627:
i was reading through Breezes posts last night and some guy told him that he didn't want any electro/dubstep influenced stuff any Breeze responded by saying that this new influence is how hardcore is progressing and how this is what modern hardcore is. If u dont like it then piss off to 2003.
Sources:Breezes facebook, My paraphrasing
Breeze acts like a fcuking prick on facebook. No idea what he's like in real life, and I have a colossal amount of respect for him, musically - but some of the stuff he comes out with, you just think "Come on mate, you must be, what, 40? And you're acting like a defensive little girl."
Im moar of the defensive little girl than him lol. Produce what u want to produce. Don't let people make u feel down bcuz of what music u make 
Hardcore is changing. Dubstep and D&B influence is pretty good IMO. And, if we present it well, Hardcore will be one of the main future genres. High chances it will appear just like it used to be from 2003 up til now (except for commercialized tracks with minimal drops).
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Trolls aren't haters, trolls are trolls. They're the total opposite of a hater, they couldn't care less...they just wanna get a rise out of people. They'd troll themselves if they tried to troll something that actually angers them.
Well obviously Techno is suppose to be a single small stand-alone EDM genre, and you hear every EDM track being called Techno.
Trolls pretend to be hating some1 for the fun of it. As for haters, there r 2 groups:
1. People who hate with a reason, sometimes a good reason and sometimes less valid reason. They bring negative criticism.
2. People who hate something because they are "suppose to" hate it, without any thinking and regardless of any of the arguments. In other words, narrow-minded haters. They bring invalid criticism. There's no point in considering it.
Example: real-life narrow-minded hater's response to a "defensive little girl"  :
"No need to get smart!no point nin protecting techno becauase its absolute shit! METAL RULES. NUFF SAID. I play the drums and guitar and i think techno can sick a hairy dick!"
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Posted - 2011/12/06 : 10:04:34
Amazon says that Clubland xtreme hardcore 8 will be out on 24th January 2012.
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/12/06 : 11:24:37
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Im moar of the defensive little girl than him lol. Produce what u want to produce. Don't let people make u feel down bcuz of what music u make
Is that an excuse for people who tries to sound all the same? "Oh I'm producing this because I think It's me" "No, you're producing it because someone else is getting money for it, and you think you should too"
Rofl, and there's another group of trolls
3) People that gets called trolls just for bad critisism
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LoveThaCore
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 04:07:16
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by LoveThaCore:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by LoveThaCore:
Also if Dubstep/Electro hardcore is so hated, why are these tracks consistantly number one on trackitdown hardcore charts. Must be a lot of people that do like it too:)
To be fair anything in reasonable demand is on TID charts. I think it's wrong to label dubstep/electro music as the 'future' of hardcore. It may be the current trend, but by no means is it the future. That applies to electronic music as a whole, taking away melodies, vocals and all the other things that make a song a song and replacing them with what is basically technology abuse is not progression, it's regression. That's why I have no respect for those styles, they're nothing more than a moneymaker for the scene; not representative of the music itself. You can like it or hate it, that's just how it is. I think it's nice Breeze is doing something commercial for the scene, we need that, however it wouldn't kill to throw some tracks out for the real ravers who have stuck with the music for just as long, instead of telling them what is essentially 'My tastes are changing, so should yours.'
I don't think they are just a money maker for the scene. They are just another angle hardcore is taking. Breeze is just saying this is a new sound I'm trying with hardcore, some will like it some won't.
When the trance scene was massive in 2000, plenty of hardcore produces started making hardcore that sounded like trance. That could be called a money maker too. They saw a sound that was getting mainstream popularity and copied it. Music has to be evolve in different directions otherwise people get bored. Like if dance music producers did'nt evolve, we'd probably all still be liking disco.
I remember when trance was fist introduced to uk hardcore in 98/99 it was hated too, but it grew on people and eventually became the norm with the next generation of ravers.
There's a big difference between the trance sound and the filth sound - the trance sound makes it possible to still have melodic, emotional tunes with a lot of depth and substance, the electro sound replaces these components with arbitrary noises. I'm not massively keen on the trancy sound either compared to old skool happy hardcore, but I can at least see and have experienced the possibilities for making solid music with the trancy sound. Dubstep is exactly the same right now, you may love dubstep or you may hate it; that's irrelevant, but at the end of the day the music itself is bad: the entire genre is built around filthy drops, you take those away and you have nothing, that's why in 5-10 years (if you're lucky) we'll hardly remember dubstep at all, it doesn't have any musical significance in the long run, it's just a time producers messed about with technology and made a new sound; which is the reason it's a silly idea to call it the 'future of hardcore'. You're building the 'future' of a genre on a currently fashionable sound that is already starting to wane in popularity. That isn't making hardcore progress, that's just re-asserting it as 'that genre that copies whatever is popular and speeds it up' and is undoing all the hard work the good producers are doing to turn hardcore into something nobody has ever done before. THAT'S why we should take lessons from the old skool, not because we're riddled with nostalgia but because the music back then was unique and it was good.
The trancey riffs allow for melody and structure, dubstep and electrocore doesn't. Even I would have thought that the trancey riffs would be stale now but then I hear tracks like In Your Head by Nu Foundation and it just shows the level of depth possible. When is electrocore or dubsteppy hardcore ever going to be memorable? There's nothing unique or defining about it to be memorable.
A track does'nt have to be Trancey to be melodic. It shows you hav'nt even given Electro Hardcore a chance. There are plenty of tracks that are Electro and still have plenty of melody. You say Electro Hardcore will have no memory. But "smack you like a bitch" by Styles and Recon won hardcore track of the year which is completly Electro and melodic which just proved your point completly wrong. It's a huge anthem and will be remembered like any other hardcore anthem in decades to come.
Producers are finally thinking outside the boring square box of just Trance in hardcore. Also they are combining Oldskool, with Electo with Dubstep which is going back to their roots. Actually you listen to a lot of the Electro out these days and it sounds like the traditional hardcore from the early 90's.
Also have you heard Fracus and Darwins "start again". That's Electro style and still melodic as well as Styles, Breeze and Klubfillers "see the stars again". I can't see Electro and Dubstep ever stopping in Hardcore, it's here to stay. The young generation of ravers love it and they are the ones who will help shape the future of Hardcore. Someone said Hardcore will split in all different directions Trancey, Electro/Dubstep and Oldskool Breakbeat etc. And I think they are right.
Just because you don't like Electro and Dubstep in Hardcore. It does'nt been it's going to die. Plenty of people like it and are buying it, your just not one of them.
Actually Tiesto, and Ferry Corsten have all moved on from Trance in the dance scene. Also Armin Van Buuren being knocked off the top spot by an Electro dj happened this year. Maybe it's a sign of the times for the Trance sound.
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 04:28:46
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:I think it's nice Breeze is doing something commercial for the scene, we need that, however it wouldn't kill to throw some tracks out for the real ravers who have stuck with the music for just as long, instead of telling them what is essentially 'My tastes are changing, so should yours.'
That is fcuking bang on.
The same thing could be said about you guys. Basically you guys are saying Breeze your not allowed to change your style to something new because we don't like it. So really it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Why don't don't you have a dig at Vinylgroover for leaving Hardcore and making Hard Dance shite??? Producers should have the freedom to do what they want.
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 04:43:49
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by deathproof627:
i was reading through Breezes posts last night and some guy told him that he didn't want any electro/dubstep influenced stuff any Breeze responded by saying that this new influence is how hardcore is progressing and how this is what modern hardcore is. If u dont like it then piss off to 2003.
Sources:Breezes facebook, My paraphrasing
Breeze acts like a fcuking prick on facebook. No idea what he's like in real life, and I have a colossal amount of respect for him, musically - but some of the stuff he comes out with, you just think "Come on mate, you must be, what, 40? And you're acting like a defensive little girl."
Yeah it's that 'You don't agree with me therefore you're a hater' nonsense that I see so many DJs and producers coming out with. The word 'hater' is just a way for idiots to deal with criticism they can't take, it makes them feel important in a roundabout way ("wow I'm so popular I have haters as well as fans"). People who seriously make use of the word 'hater' have a severe personality disorder they should probably get checked out.
Breeze has spent most of his time DJing at raves where the only bad criticism he's used to is maybe a few hecklers and some bad record sales, he doesn't understand internet culture and hasn't been a part of it. He needs to understand that it's a different game here and that people WILL criticize you openly, personally I would take that as a godsend but some people refuse to believe they're doing anything that could dissatisfy others so they write them off as 'haters' or 'keyboard warriors'. The funny part is that the internet has gotten a lot, lot kinder in recent years in regards to criticism etc. he wouldn't have stood a chance a few years ago before the days of facebook and twitter, the internet would have destroyed him.
I don't know where you got bad record sales from. Sounds like your making stuff up!!! Actually his label Future World has had numerous number ones on Trackitdown. That's the trouble with people like you. You put shit on all the people that are making music YOU don't like. I spose you don't like Recon, Klubfiller, Styles, Squade as well???
WHO MADE YOU JUDGE JURY AND EXECUTIONER of what hardcore people should listen to Nekoshuffle??? I think your self appointed LOL:)
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 11:25:52
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Im moar of the defensive little girl than him lol. Produce what u want to produce. Don't let people make u feel down bcuz of what music u make
Is that an excuse for people who tries to sound all the same? "Oh I'm producing this because I think It's me" "No, you're producing it because someone else is getting money for it, and you think you should too"
I can't say you're wrong. Eventhough Id replace the "should" part with something else. Look, by your theory, we don't make what we should make. Because we should make House music. Not Hardcore. Hardcore is for weirdos, and nobody knows what the hell it is, thus its the waste of time.
Yeah, somebody else makes money of it, and you get inspired by the style, starting producing by your artistic inspiration. You are still being "yourself" though. Not original because it's someone else's style, but still "yourself". Its like that all the time. Don't think style is everything. Without good inspiration or a "lucky guess", the track is shit. It's hard to think of something new, and even harder to create it. Ever tried? Congratulations if you succeed!
Being alternative takes skill dude. Id love to make little more "original" hardcore but I can't make it sound exactly as I wish (prolly because i havent tried in time). I'm havin them in my head though. And don't think I'm making any excuses, despite being a "defensive little girl". I know my current tracks are copies of the usual UK Hardcore style, regardless the artistic inspiration, and I'll TRY to make them different. And nobody will every make me feel down in the case I fail. I have my artistic inspiration regardless the style lol.
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 11:51:59
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by deathproof627:
i was reading through Breezes posts last night and some guy told him that he didn't want any electro/dubstep influenced stuff any Breeze responded by saying that this new influence is how hardcore is progressing and how this is what modern hardcore is. If u dont like it then piss off to 2003.
Sources:Breezes facebook, My paraphrasing
Breeze acts like a fcuking prick on facebook. No idea what he's like in real life, and I have a colossal amount of respect for him, musically - but some of the stuff he comes out with, you just think "Come on mate, you must be, what, 40? And you're acting like a defensive little girl."
Too True, i told him clubland hardcore went shit ages ago....... his responded with
* So did Man Utd*..........
He's a first class Wanker
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