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whispering
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 Posted - 2011/03/13 : 19:26:03
Before and after satellite images:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
images in Boston.com:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/03/massive_earthquake_hits_japan.html
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The atomic bombs are one of the worst single war crimes done. Pearl Harbor was a strategic hit against US military due to US not selling oil anymore or some shit like that. Thats how i remember it from school.
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atomsk
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Posted - 2011/03/13 : 20:20:14
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Originally posted by whispering:
The atomic bombs are one of the worst single war crimes done. Pearl Harbor was a strategic hit against US military due to US not selling oil anymore or some shit like that. Thats how i remember it from school.
What I was taught in school was "it was a way for them to kill off our military because we were going to strike them".
But after researching and learning why the Japan bombed it was, if they could make a base in Hawaii, the usa would be ****ed. Just like how the allies took New Guinea and those islands, Japan was just doing the same thing the usa was doing.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2011/03/13 : 20:44:45
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
if the earth wasn't alive then how were we created (if anybody says god did it al scream)
then why the **** did you ask. Who else is going to create us?
Might as well say "I want to know why objects fall to the ground (if anyone says gravity al scream)."
Yes the earth made us. It got all it's thinking power together, put together its idea of humans and then built them cell by cell. Err. no. No the earth is not alive, no the earth did not create us.
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Posted - 2011/03/13 : 20:48:57
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Originally posted by atomsk:
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Originally posted by whispering:
The atomic bombs are one of the worst single war crimes done. Pearl Harbor was a strategic hit against US military due to US not selling oil anymore or some shit like that. Thats how i remember it from school.
What I was taught in school was "it was a way for them to kill off our military because we were going to strike them".
But after researching and learning why the Japan bombed it was, if they could make a base in Hawaii, the usa would be ****ed. Just like how the allies took New Guinea and those islands, Japan was just doing the same thing the usa was doing.
And there are rumors, that the U. S. A. exactly were aware of this attack. The most important part of the Pacific fleet was assigned outside of Pearl Harbour at that time. The US-citizens were against taking part in the war before "Pearl Harbour". Like I said: rumors, only!
But sacraficing human lifes is not unknown to the military policy of the U. S. A.. Already in world war 1 they loaded a passenger liner ("Lusitania") with military goods in hope for a massacre.
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Posted - 2011/03/13 : 20:49:23
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
The scientist who split the atom for the first time killed himself when he saw what his technology had done.
Do you mean Oppenheimer? He didn't kill himself, but he refused to keep working for the government, and lobbied against nuclear weapons. I believe he also quoted a Hindu religious book after seeing the aftermath of the explosions in Japan: "I am become Death, the shatterer of worlds".
The "funniest" or rather most depressive thing about all those Facebook comments about Pearl Harbour is the people who are convinced God is on America's side and he's doling out justice to all who oppose them, which is downright prepostrous, seeing as according to the Bible, God created all of mankind and loves all his children equally. I might be wrong, but all of mankind would include the Japanese, so why would he send quakes and tsunamis on them? Makes no ****ing sense. I don't mean to sound anti-Christian, as I think it's fair to believe in a higher power, after all we can't disprove it. Some of the stories in the bible are just too farfetched to believe in in the 21st century, however.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/03/13 : 22:54:02
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Originally posted by atomsk:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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The funny thing is... Hawaii is really not a state of the usa, we stole it, and kept it...
That's true for the whole of the US.
If you want to state it like that, that is true for the whole world.. We are told that the people of Hawaii were like "here take out land, we like you". But they is far from the truth, we rigged so many things to take Hawaii, fake votes, fake natives, and so many other things. Most of the United States was bought, or had a war over it. Hawaii was not...
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Did you sidestep the Atom Bombs that America dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in retaliation to the Pearl Harbour attacks that melted at least 200,000 innocent Japanese citizens into the ground and reduced two cities into gigantic craters or have you not been taught that in school?
Yes they do, but hardly anymore. I did not sidestep anything, I was just stating what the death tolls are, and that the people who think it's "karma" are wrong, as we dropped to A-bombs on two big city's to force Japan into submission, they had 2 other bombs ready to drop also, if Big boy and Fat man did not stop them.
@NekoShuffle: Even tho that picture is correct, your statement is somewhat one sided.. You implied that the usa, is the only one who has killed for land. Look at Asia, look at what Mao did, Hitler, look at what Africa is doing to its own people, look at history....
Most Americans dont want war, nor killing people. It's just those few who want money and to make people fear us...
don't get me wrong i've got loads of american friends who are some of the nicest people you'll meet but the point i'm trying to make is how shocking it is that these ignorant americans want 'karma' for pearl harbour yet if they got the karma they deserved they'd be in a world of shit.
also a military hit on a military base is a bit different from scorching unsuspecting innocent men, women, children and pets into the concrete. There's a book out there of drawings of what a single survivor saw...really upsetting stuff. but no don't take it the wrong way, I'm not blaming you or the majority of decent americans out there
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atomsk
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Posted - 2011/03/13 : 23:38:05
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
don't get me wrong i've got loads of american friends who are some of the nicest people you'll meet but the point i'm trying to make is how shocking it is that these ignorant americans want 'karma' for pearl harbour yet if they got the karma they deserved they'd be in a world of shit.
also a military hit on a military base is a bit different from scorching unsuspecting innocent men, women, children and pets into the concrete. There's a book out there of drawings of what a single survivor saw...really upsetting stuff. [b]but no don't take it the wrong way, I'm not blaming you or the majority of decent americans out there{/b]
There is ignorance in every country, more so here than many others...
That last part saved us from a huge flame war :)
Over all, yes the people who are saying its "karma" are dumb ****s, just how some of them zelanders blamed the gays for their quake a bit ago..
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Posted - 2011/03/13 : 23:42:07
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Originally posted by Warnman:
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Originally posted by atomsk:
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Originally posted by whispering:
The atomic bombs are one of the worst single war crimes done. Pearl Harbor was a strategic hit against US military due to US not selling oil anymore or some shit like that. Thats how i remember it from school.
What I was taught in school was "it was a way for them to kill off our military because we were going to strike them".
But after researching and learning why the Japan bombed it was, if they could make a base in Hawaii, the usa would be ****ed. Just like how the allies took New Guinea and those islands, Japan was just doing the same thing the usa was doing.
And there are rumors, that the U. S. A. exactly were aware of this attack. The most important part of the Pacific fleet was assigned outside of Pearl Harbour at that time. The US-citizens were against taking part in the war before "Pearl Harbour". Like I said: rumors, only!
But sacraficing human lifes is not unknown to the military policy of the U. S. A.. Already in world war 1 they loaded a passenger liner ("Lusitania") with military goods in hope for a massacre.
Incorrect, the United States didn't know about the attack until it happened. After reading into the subject, they had MAGIC intercepting messages and decoding what the Japanese broad-casted, they had intercepted such a message about Pearl Harbour (actually something that would of tipped them off, not directly told them) but had not been translated yet.
America forced Japan into attacking them, and even then, Pearl Harbour was a strategic attack point and was not as catastrophic as it COULD of been. The Americans where enforcing heavy embargo's onto Japan because of the Tripartite Act (which Japan would of backed out of, read on), and had forced Japan's hand.
For months before the attack Japan's council was pushing for peace talks with America, they knew they'd be better off with America at their back, and not Germany and Italy. Even the Emperor voiced concerns, which was a big surprise as the Emperor usually agreed with the military and council based on regulations and tradition, and asked if attacking America would result in a victory. The Navy, the most supported by the Emperor at the time, said yes, at first, but after time it would be un=highly likely due to America's might and potential. After expressing his concerns the Emperor's Cabinet pushed heavily for peace talks, and offered various agreements to which Japan would ally with America and back out of having to go to war with them.
But, because of Japan's expansion into the Pacific America, more importantly Hull who had dealt directly with the Japanese ambassadors, and MAGIC interceptions, America took a road down not agreeing into anything for months. The Japanese Military took this as an act to stall to weaken Japan (due to the embargo they had few supplies that were finite and dwindling each day), and then attack the Empire at it's weakest.
So in essence, due to American arrogance they forced Japan's hand. I don't blame Japan for doing what they did, and it lead up to one of the most devastating weapons to ever be created and unleashed. All because America forced a strategic move, and wouldn't negotiate at all with Japan during surrender talks and forcefully making Japan come to terms with them.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2011/03/14 : 00:34:07
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
Surprises me how utterly stupid people can be about this stuff. I think its insulting that a disaster like this can be put down to a pathetic religious concept.
It's just as insulting that a supernatural event or act of God if you will can be put down as a pathetic natural phenomenon. I agree 100% about that pat robertson thing but. He's something else entirely...
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Posted - 2011/03/14 : 07:27:50
Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the interweb.
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Posted - 2011/03/14 : 09:46:47
what the hell kind of discussion has this turned into? lol
whats happened is terrible, help if you can, the bbc just like all media outlets, arent untouchable, all countries have terrible histories if you go back far enough and further more people shouldnt get their knickers in a twist over what a absurdly small number of people think (or dont think as nobodys actually posted any proof over the pearl harbour thing!)
and like it would matter if they did, it doesnt change anything, every country has at least a handful of idiots - there are bigger things happening than worring about them.
i'd help if i could, but i'm rather strapped for cash!
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Posted - 2011/03/14 : 09:58:44
I was thinking about going over and helping myself, actually. I'm not a million miles away, being in Vietnam at the moment.
But I remember reading something in the aftermath of the Asian Tsunami in 2004. Rescue and relief organisations were telling people to stop just flying out on their own accord to help, because it was more trouble than it was worth for the organisations already out there to sort all these random people out, and amalgamate them into some kind of usable team/operation.
Anyone got any ideas?
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Posted - 2011/03/14 : 10:10:56
hmm maybe get in contact with one of the agency's flying out there and get in a team before you go?
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Posted - 2011/03/14 : 10:50:29
I'll be donating 20 later this month when I get paid on the 20th. Its not much, but its the best I can do at the moment.
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whispering
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Posted - 2011/03/14 : 12:24:15
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Originally posted by JayHH86:
But I remember reading something in the aftermath of the Asian Tsunami in 2004. Rescue and relief organisations were telling people to stop just flying out on their own accord to help, because it was more trouble than it was worth for the organisations already out there to sort all these random people out, and amalgamate them into some kind of usable team/operation.
Anyone got any ideas?
Finland isnt sending anyone ATM, though are still on wait for a call. Japanese officials said their safety cant be guaranteed, nor the transportation to the sites. Those were trained professionals. Id say the best thing is donating.
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