NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 16:52:16
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I wasn't exactly replying to you Neko, but I am now :P
The structure of the track might be unique, but the sounds used where very much acid house/trance
Triq: I haven't checked more than a few utube clips, but it didn't sound like ATB did much Happy Hardcore, just faster/happier trance stuff, just like Scooter
Freeform sounds nothing like Acid House aside from using 303 acid lines, which every genre does anyway at some point, even Happy Hardcore. And as I said, sounds don't mean anything. Unless you were to completely craft your own sound and program your own VST you will never get a totally unique sound, but it's not the sounds that matter - it's how you apply them.
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,636 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 17:14:07
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
That's why Hardcore producers don't jump ship to another genre to make money - they wouldn't make any money because they'd suck at it.
hmm, Nu foundation got onto ferry corstens record label with his trance stuff...
Vinylgroover seems to be doing much better doing hard house/trance
atb and teisto started out doing happy hardcore :P
so I don't know how strictly true that is - you can go quite far if you apply yourself :)
Nu Foundation made incredible music though, there was very little divided opinion on his tunes. As for the others, Vinylgroover was experimenting with hard dance for years before he fully immersed himself in the scene, also let's not forget that he's a producer and doesn't engineer tracks himself so he doesn't as such need to learn the technical skills that other producers would. Same applies to ATB and Tiesto, they took years to perfect their sound. Ham has been using breakbeats and experimenting with DnB stuff for years and has only just broken into the drum n bass scene, he's doing well but he's not a household DnB name just yet.
I was just pointing out that hardcore producers can and do do well in other genres and don't suck at it
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 17:54:13
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
That's why Hardcore producers don't jump ship to another genre to make money - they wouldn't make any money because they'd suck at it.
hmm, Nu foundation got onto ferry corstens record label with his trance stuff...
Vinylgroover seems to be doing much better doing hard house/trance
atb and teisto started out doing happy hardcore :P
so I don't know how strictly true that is - you can go quite far if you apply yourself :)
Nu Foundation made incredible music though, there was very little divided opinion on his tunes. As for the others, Vinylgroover was experimenting with hard dance for years before he fully immersed himself in the scene, also let's not forget that he's a producer and doesn't engineer tracks himself so he doesn't as such need to learn the technical skills that other producers would. Same applies to ATB and Tiesto, they took years to perfect their sound. Ham has been using breakbeats and experimenting with DnB stuff for years and has only just broken into the drum n bass scene, he's doing well but he's not a household DnB name just yet.
I was just pointing out that hardcore producers can and do do well in other genres and don't suck at it
hehe do do
I think "some" producers "have" done well in other genres. The reason most won't venture into them for money is because they know that taking the time to learn about and explore an entirely different genre of music and make a track good enough to get a substantial amount of money from isn't worth the effort. I don't blame them for it but I think this whole "If I wanted money I'd make <other genre> instead" argument is crap really because there's a lot more to it than just making a track of a different genre, you'd need to spend a lot of time in the house scene for example checking out dancefloors, seeing what does and doesn't work and doing your homework for years to make a house hit, it's not just about making some beats at 128 bpm and selling loads. The bottom of the pile is the bottom of the pile no matter what genre you're in.
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,636 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 18:32:34
ahh, i'm not taking the do it for money side of things, leaving money out of the equation clearly if nufoundation and vinylgroover/orbit1 can do it i'm sure others can do it and do it well, so can others..
cruelcore1 Advanced Member
Croatia (Hrvatska)
1,485 posts Joined: May, 2010
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 19:39:56
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
^ The reason I love Happy Hardcore so much was because it offered something no other genre of music had, there was no other genre of electronic music that was dedicated to being happy as it's sole purpose, it brought something unique and original to the table. That's why I prefer Happy Hardcore to Hardcore; Happy Hardcore is unique, Hardcore for the most part, isn't.
As for the money thing, I always hear this "If they wanted money they wouldn't be in hardcore" no offence but it's difficult to master a genre, if Darren Styles started producing trance he wouldn't suddenly be up there with Above and Beyond or Tiesto, his music wouldn't be that good because he doesn't have the experience in making trance and would make no more money out of it than any new producer in that scene (which is no more than Hardcore). That's why Hardcore producers don't jump ship to another genre to make money - they wouldn't make any money because they'd suck at it.
All it takes is some effort and adding a few albums on ur MP3 player. And in a few months you'll be as good in another genre just as ure in HC.
But ure right it takes a plenty of effort either way. There are so many Trance and House producers its impossible to stand out. But as HC scene is growing, and I experienced modern ppl actually liking the music, it seems to me like safer choice (but I dont think others think tht way too).
Alert moderatorEdited by - cruelcore1 on 2011/12/22 19:43:44
Warnman Advanced Member
Germany
2,677 posts Joined: Jun, 2010
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 20:27:16
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Triq: I haven't checked more than a few utube clips, but it didn't sound like ATB did much Happy Hardcore, just faster/happier trance stuff, just like Scooter
Have you checked about his second psedonym Sequential One as well?
I'd name DJ Sammy as well.
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Warnman Advanced Member
Germany
2,677 posts Joined: Jun, 2010
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 20:40:37
quote:Originally posted by cruelcore1:
What do I hear all the time here? People complaining on moder Hardcore using arguments like "modern HC is bad music". Even if artists like styles they make, its not enough 4 u guize. And combining HC with a style thats commercial in any of its shapes is the worst 4 u. Its not just the case of 1 or few people. If the scene hates u, u either bare it or leave.
THE problem are people who simply disrespect and talk against new sounds just because its not how they think its suppose be, or just cuz theyve been influenced by little more commercial styles. A good part of them complain to the artists themselves, and supportive people keep their mouth shot.
Maybe in a few years HC people will become more tolerant, and I guess ST is lookin forward to that.
EDIT: Oh, and I can't remember when I last heard Hixxy's track on the HHC.com/DI.fm radio.
Cruelcore01, of course art usually is all about knowing no borders and not taking care about any taboos. But still, I think there are things that simply will never work, because it is way too different. And there aren't a lot of other genres, which carry such a tolerant open mind like Happy Hardcore. But Minimal is someting, which sounds like being the total opposite of Happy Hardcore: a deadly enemy.
Mixing both genres only sounds ridiculous tmo. I've never heard a Death Metal group using Ambient music to influence their music.
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cruelcore1 Advanced Member
Croatia (Hrvatska)
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Posted - 2011/12/22 : 20:49:15
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
Cruelcore01, of course art usually is all about knowing no borders and not taking care about any taboos. But still, I think there are things that simply will never work, because it is way too different. And there aren't a lot of other genres, which carry such a tolerant open mind like Happy Hardcore. But Minimal is someting, which sounds like being the total opposite of Happy Hardcore: a deadly enemy.
Mixing both genres only sounds ridiculous tmo. I've never heard a Death Metal group using Ambient music to influence their music.
Minimal is an attribute, not a genre. Oldskool could also be minimal, if it contained only of drums for example. To me, many oldskool actually sound minimal.
And who says UK Hardcore is not tolerant? It changed over time a lot, proving its variability. And it does not require to be happy.
Dys7 Advanced Member
United States
1,231 posts Joined: Nov, 2011
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 21:55:50
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
quote:Originally posted by cruelcore1:
What do I hear all the time here? People complaining on moder Hardcore using arguments like "modern HC is bad music". Even if artists like styles they make, its not enough 4 u guize. And combining HC with a style thats commercial in any of its shapes is the worst 4 u. Its not just the case of 1 or few people. If the scene hates u, u either bare it or leave.
THE problem are people who simply disrespect and talk against new sounds just because its not how they think its suppose be, or just cuz theyve been influenced by little more commercial styles. A good part of them complain to the artists themselves, and supportive people keep their mouth shot.
Maybe in a few years HC people will become more tolerant, and I guess ST is lookin forward to that.
EDIT: Oh, and I can't remember when I last heard Hixxy's track on the HHC.com/DI.fm radio.
Cruelcore01, of course art usually is all about knowing no borders and not taking care about any taboos. But still, I think there are things that simply will never work, because it is way too different. And there aren't a lot of other genres, which carry such a tolerant open mind like Happy Hardcore. But Minimal is someting, which sounds like being the total opposite of Happy Hardcore: a deadly enemy.
Mixing both genres only sounds ridiculous tmo. I've never heard a Death Metal group using Ambient music to influence their music.
And before you shout "Post-rock", skip to say 13:36
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