Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,227 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 10:52:38
I quite love it when I get the blame for saying something someone else said.
Quite frankly, I'm pissed off on people, who leaves because of one or a few persons. If Alex has/had so much with Jeff Supreme, he could've told him to **** off, and Alex could do his stuff himself. And why did Alex work with Jeff in the first place, if he claims to have heard how Jeff is doing things? And why haven't other DJ/Producer's come out and said the same thing? Jeff isn't a large man in the scene anymore, compared to Hixxy or Styles.
Technically, I don't like the way Breeze is trying to make his Hardcore sound, but atleast he says he doesn't care much what people say. He would probably find something new to do, if it doesn't work out.
And Cruel & Dys7. Unless I complain directly to the artist, how am I THE Problem? I buy the Hardcore I like, and don't buy what I don't like, I'm a consumer, not a benefactor!
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Torpex Advanced Member
Poland
824 posts Joined: Nov, 2005
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 10:56:08
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Jeff isn't a large man in the scene anymore, compared to Hixxy
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,227 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 11:46:35
quote:Originally posted by Torpex:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Jeff isn't a large man in the scene anymore, compared to Hixxy
Well...
no, Hixxy is eating everyone
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Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 12:31:46
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
The top tier of Hardcore is definately about making money.
If it was about making money, they wouldn't be making hardcore at all.
Well the small few running the major events and labels (and comps) i expect are raking it in. And they are the ones who control and influence the scene. For everyone else yeah there is no money. Doesn't stop them wanting to copy the ones that do make money though.
cruelcore1 Advanced Member
Croatia (Hrvatska)
1,485 posts Joined: May, 2010
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 12:49:23
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I quite love it when I get the blame for saying something someone else said.
Quite frankly, I'm pissed off on people, who leaves because of one or a few persons. If Alex has/had so much with Jeff Supreme, he could've told him to **** off, and Alex could do his stuff himself. And why did Alex work with Jeff in the first place, if he claims to have heard how Jeff is doing things? And why haven't other DJ/Producer's come out and said the same thing? Jeff isn't a large man in the scene anymore, compared to Hixxy or Styles.
Technically, I don't like the way Breeze is trying to make his Hardcore sound, but atleast he says he doesn't care much what people say. He would probably find something new to do, if it doesn't work out.
And Cruel & Dys7. Unless I complain directly to the artist, how am I THE Problem? I buy the Hardcore I like, and don't buy what I don't like, I'm a consumer, not a benefactor!
What do I hear all the time here? People complaining on moder Hardcore using arguments like "modern HC is bad music". Even if artists like styles they make, its not enough 4 u guize. And combining HC with a style thats commercial in any of its shapes is the worst 4 u. Its not just the case of 1 or few people. If the scene hates u, u either bare it or leave.
THE problem are people who simply disrespect and talk against new sounds just because its not how they think its suppose be, or just cuz theyve been influenced by little more commercial styles. A good part of them complain to the artists themselves, and supportive people keep their mouth shot.
Maybe in a few years HC people will become more tolerant, and I guess ST is lookin forward to that.
EDIT: Oh, and I can't remember when I last heard Hixxy's track on the HHC.com/DI.fm radio.
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cruelcore1 Advanced Member
Croatia (Hrvatska)
1,485 posts Joined: May, 2010
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 12:53:15
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
The top tier of Hardcore is definately about making money.
If it was about making money, they wouldn't be making hardcore at all.
Well the small few running the major events and labels (and comps) i expect are raking it in. And they are the ones who control and influence the scene. For everyone else yeah there is no money. Doesn't stop them wanting to copy the ones that do make money though.
And copying oldskool is good? You're actually 1 of the people i was complaining about. All u hear is the genre and nothing more.
Dante Advanced Member
Vatican City State (Holy See)
1,185 posts Joined: Dec, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 14:13:08
It's probably impossible to be 100% innovative with music now, anyway. I quite like early 90s hardcore, personally. The genre was new, and people tried a lot of different elements. Then came happy hardcore and it started settling a lot more, and there were probably 5 versions/remixes of each track on average :p
Here's some clearly oldschool influenced music from recent times, not bad, imo.
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NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 14:51:17
^ The reason I love Happy Hardcore so much was because it offered something no other genre of music had, there was no other genre of electronic music that was dedicated to being happy as it's sole purpose, it brought something unique and original to the table. That's why I prefer Happy Hardcore to Hardcore; Happy Hardcore is unique, Hardcore for the most part, isn't.
As for the money thing, I always hear this "If they wanted money they wouldn't be in hardcore" no offence but it's difficult to master a genre, if Darren Styles started producing trance he wouldn't suddenly be up there with Above and Beyond or Tiesto, his music wouldn't be that good because he doesn't have the experience in making trance and would make no more money out of it than any new producer in that scene (which is no more than Hardcore). That's why Hardcore producers don't jump ship to another genre to make money - they wouldn't make any money because they'd suck at it.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,227 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 16:04:42
Happy Hardcore copied alot of stuff from Eurodance, and blatant rips of pop songs from both 70, 80 and the 90's
Freeform does alot of acid hard house
UK Hardcore from 2000-2005 copied trance
What are you on about? Happy/UK hardcore has never really had any own identity, other than being a fast paced track with lots of piano and 80's vocals.
And if I was a producer, and didn't like the new style coming out, don't you think I would try to counter it by producing something like the older stuff? Now I'm not a producer, so the only thing I can do is to MOAN, and spend my MONEY on the stuff I do LIKE.
And I'm not defending the style. I utterly hate the fusion of UK Hardcore and electro/dub-step. I was defending a person.
Nekoshuffle: Alot of the people keep telling me that if I don't like it, I could just leave. But like you said, there is no other genre that sounds like UK Hardcore used to sound like.
But ok, I'm ****ing of for Heavy Metal now, good bye.
fap fap fap you got trolled
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NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 16:34:36
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Happy Hardcore copied alot of stuff from Eurodance, and blatant rips of pop songs from both 70, 80 and the 90's
Freeform does alot of acid hard house
UK Hardcore from 2000-2005 copied trance
What are you on about? Happy/UK hardcore has never really had any own identity, other than being a fast paced track with lots of piano and 80's vocals.
And if I was a producer, and didn't like the new style coming out, don't you think I would try to counter it by producing something like the older stuff? Now I'm not a producer, so the only thing I can do is to MOAN, and spend my MONEY on the stuff I do LIKE.
And I'm not defending the style. I utterly hate the fusion of UK Hardcore and electro/dub-step. I was defending a person.
Nekoshuffle: Alot of the people keep telling me that if I don't like it, I could just leave. But like you said, there is no other genre that sounds like UK Hardcore used to sound like.
But ok, I'm ****ing of for Heavy Metal now, good bye.
That's only a selection of tracks, look at the Dutch Happy Hardcore, look at Triple J, look at Force and Styles...shit, look at the stuff Breeze was doing in the late 90s on Infinity...it was all original happy hardcore and it delivered something you couldn't get anywhere else and still to this day can't. I don't have a problem with you moaning at all, I moan all the time...in fact I'm not sure why you replied to me in particular as it wasn't even aimed at you.
Freeform is a completely original genre and what makes it so unique is the structure of the tracks; there is no structure. Freeform is exactly that, it's without structure...it does whatever it wants...it's free of form. I like freeform for that reason. It's not about the sounds and instruments, all electronic music producers use the same instruments as each other for the most part so yes it'll sound like trance or acid hard house or whatever you want to call it, but the structure is what makes it interesting and unique. What makes happy hardcore unique is that it's fast paced happy rave music, what genre would really make a song called 'toy town'? It's one hell of a daring genre in its own right and has given birth to an entire subculture and changed people's lives. There isn't anything else like that in electronic music. Happy hardcore is unique regardless of the sounds it uses. UK Hardcore is also unique, but personally to me it's a bit flat and devoid of emotion for my liking.
Either way I don't really need to sit here and defend happy hardcore as it pretty much speaks for itself. If you don't like it, you probably shouldn't be posting on a website called HappyHardcore.com
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,636 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 16:35:01
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
That's why Hardcore producers don't jump ship to another genre to make money - they wouldn't make any money because they'd suck at it.
hmm, Nu foundation got onto ferry corstens record label with his trance stuff...
Vinylgroover seems to be doing much better doing hard house/trance
atb and teisto started out doing happy hardcore :P
so I don't know how strictly true that is - you can go quite far if you apply yourself :)
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,227 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/12/22 : 16:45:55
I wasn't exactly replying to you Neko, but I am now :P
The structure of the track might be unique, but the sounds used where very much acid house/trance
Triq: I haven't checked more than a few utube clips, but it didn't sound like ATB did much Happy Hardcore, just faster/happier trance stuff, just like Scooter
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NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2011/12/22 : 16:49:35
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
That's why Hardcore producers don't jump ship to another genre to make money - they wouldn't make any money because they'd suck at it.
hmm, Nu foundation got onto ferry corstens record label with his trance stuff...
Vinylgroover seems to be doing much better doing hard house/trance
atb and teisto started out doing happy hardcore :P
so I don't know how strictly true that is - you can go quite far if you apply yourself :)
Nu Foundation made incredible music though, there was very little divided opinion on his tunes. As for the others, Vinylgroover was experimenting with hard dance for years before he fully immersed himself in the scene, also let's not forget that he's a producer and doesn't engineer tracks himself so he doesn't as such need to learn the technical skills that other producers would. Same applies to ATB and Tiesto, they took years to perfect their sound. Ham has been using breakbeats and experimenting with DnB stuff for years and has only just broken into the drum n bass scene, he's doing well but he's not a household DnB name just yet.
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