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NekoShuffle
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 Posted - 2011/12/21 : 16:23:07
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Originally posted by Samination:
he left cause he didnt like the music anymore, stop making excuses for people!!!! Why would they stop making msuic just because there's douchebags around? Do your own ****ing race!
If it was as easy to leave a job like it would be in music, alot more people would do it.
This is where the problem lies IMO, I do agree but hardcore is so small that you're naturally going to be brushing shoulders with the people you don't like. It's happened with LOADS of hardcore producers, personally I don't care and will keep doing what I'm doing because I'm stubborn, but I can see why some would be pissed off and leave.
Cruelcore you are absolutely right, but as for Breeze I think it's his attitude which most people don't like, as opposed to his music. I'd be inclined to agree too, but that's not a personal thing against Breeze, it's just that someone on the internet happens to act like a bit of a tool, it could be him, it could be anyone...it could be one of my heroes but I'd still call them out for being a tool.
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 16:29:46
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Cruelcore you are absolutely right, but as for Breeze I think it's his attitude which most people don't like, as opposed to his music. I'd be inclined to agree too, but that's not a personal thing against Breeze, it's just that someone on the internet happens to act like a bit of a tool, it could be him, it could be anyone...it could be one of my heroes but I'd still call them out for being a tool.
His quoted comment didn't say much about it. I believe u, but I gotta explore a bit moar too. What I know is tht many people just rage cuz of his "modern stuff". A single bad reaction and they are like "HA! He did it! He did it! He's an arsehole!" (Unfortunately I'm the same in politics...)
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 16:37:56
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Originally posted by cruelcore1:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Cruelcore you are absolutely right, but as for Breeze I think it's his attitude which most people don't like, as opposed to his music. I'd be inclined to agree too, but that's not a personal thing against Breeze, it's just that someone on the internet happens to act like a bit of a tool, it could be him, it could be anyone...it could be one of my heroes but I'd still call them out for being a tool.
His quoted comment didn't say much about it. I believe u, but I gotta explore a bit moar too. What I know is tht many people just rage cuz of his "modern stuff". A single bad reaction and they are like "HA! He did it! He did it! He's an arsehole!" (Unfortunately I'm the same in politics...)
Very true, Gammer was the target a few years ago. I'm not interested in the new hardcore, so I don't listen to it and I just work on my own stuff. In a way I'm glad hardcore is in the bad state it is, if Hardcore was really amazing and exciting I'd be too distracted to get anything done myself =)
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 19:47:34
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Very true, Gammer was the target a few years ago. I'm not interested in the new hardcore, so I don't listen to it and I just work on my own stuff. In a way I'm glad hardcore is in the bad state it is, if Hardcore was really amazing and exciting I'd be too distracted to get anything done myself =)
Haha thats true. Less fun gives us more time to do "important" stuff. 
EDIT: Gammer actually did almost any sort of HC. There are no proper arguments to complain lol
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Dys7
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 20:33:38
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Originally posted by Samination:
he left cause he didnt like the music anymore, stop making excuses for people!!!! Why would they stop making msuic just because there's douchebags around? Do your own ****ing race!
If it was as easy to leave a job like it would be in music, alot more people would do it.
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"I have decided to stop writing UK Hardcore for the foreseeable future. The whole scene is royally messed up and I am not prepared to be claimed as its latest bitter dj/producer victim. Mainly as I am not bitter, I have travelled the world and met some amazing people because of hardcore, who could be bitter about that? I am just not prepared to work hard for a scene that doesn't appreciate it.
There are some amazing people involved with UK Hardcore, people who work their asses off week in and week out for little or no reward. There are also way too many over the hill dinosaurs, riding on the coat tails of their previous success, bringing nothing new, just milking it for all they can whilst artists with far greater skill get left on the sidelines as they are not part of the "old boys club".
People don't normally name names when it comes to things like this, but I like a bit of juicy gossip so here is some of my own. The best example of "dinosaur" has to be DJ Supreme. This clown has wormed his way back into the scene, mixing various large compilations over the past few years and ripping off anyone and everyone he works with. The guy is a useless DJ and about as skilled at writing music as a blind & deaf retarded mute. He has zero technical and musical ability. I have lost count of the horror stories I have heard about this guy, even from people who have known him for 15+ years, no-one is safe from his underhand crook tactics. Why have I named him? He ripped me off, simple as that. He has also ripped so many other people off who I wont name, its not my place to, but the guy is a pimple on the arse of musical humanity. Jeff, there is nothing "supreme" about you.
So anyone who reads this blog, have 3 free tracks. Tracks that are listed as collaborations between Jeff & myself. But unless you count sitting in my studio and eating as "collaborating" are anything but. Enjoy them, re-upload them and feel free to do with them as you please."
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Lilark
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 20:36:53
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Originally posted by Dys7:
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Originally posted by Samination:
he left cause he didnt like the music anymore, stop making excuses for people!!!! Why would they stop making msuic just because there's douchebags around? Do your own ****ing race!
If it was as easy to leave a job like it would be in music, alot more people would do it.
Taken From: blogs.myspace.com
"I have decided to stop writing UK Hardcore for the foreseeable future. The whole scene is royally messed up and I am not prepared to be claimed as its latest bitter dj/producer victim. Mainly as I am not bitter, I have travelled the world and met some amazing people because of hardcore, who could be bitter about that? I am just not prepared to work hard for a scene that doesn't appreciate it.
There are some amazing people involved with UK Hardcore, people who work their asses off week in and week out for little or no reward. There are also way too many over the hill dinosaurs, riding on the coat tails of their previous success, bringing nothing new, just milking it for all they can whilst artists with far greater skill get left on the sidelines as they are not part of the "old boys club".
People don't normally name names when it comes to things like this, but I like a bit of juicy gossip so here is some of my own. The best example of "dinosaur" has to be DJ Supreme. This clown has wormed his way back into the scene, mixing various large compilations over the past few years and ripping off anyone and everyone he works with. The guy is a useless DJ and about as skilled at writing music as a blind & deaf retarded mute. He has zero technical and musical ability. I have lost count of the horror stories I have heard about this guy, even from people who have known him for 15+ years, no-one is safe from his underhand crook tactics. Why have I named him? He ripped me off, simple as that. He has also ripped so many other people off who I wont name, its not my place to, but the guy is a pimple on the arse of musical humanity. Jeff, there is nothing "supreme" about you.
So anyone who reads this blog, have 3 free tracks. Tracks that are listed as collaborations between Jeff & myself. But unless you count sitting in my studio and eating as "collaborating" are anything but. Enjoy them, re-upload them and feel free to do with them as you please."
I'd be pissed to, but I wouldn't give up the scene completely. Poor guy.
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 21:08:29
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Originally posted by Lilark:
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Originally posted by Dys7:
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Originally posted by Samination:
he left cause he didnt like the music anymore, stop making excuses for people!!!! Why would they stop making msuic just because there's douchebags around? Do your own ****ing race!
If it was as easy to leave a job like it would be in music, alot more people would do it.
Taken From: blogs.myspace.com
"I have decided to stop writing UK Hardcore for the foreseeable future. The whole scene is royally messed up and I am not prepared to be claimed as its latest bitter dj/producer victim. Mainly as I am not bitter, I have travelled the world and met some amazing people because of hardcore, who could be bitter about that? I am just not prepared to work hard for a scene that doesn't appreciate it.
There are some amazing people involved with UK Hardcore, people who work their asses off week in and week out for little or no reward. There are also way too many over the hill dinosaurs, riding on the coat tails of their previous success, bringing nothing new, just milking it for all they can whilst artists with far greater skill get left on the sidelines as they are not part of the "old boys club".
People don't normally name names when it comes to things like this, but I like a bit of juicy gossip so here is some of my own. The best example of "dinosaur" has to be DJ Supreme. This clown has wormed his way back into the scene, mixing various large compilations over the past few years and ripping off anyone and everyone he works with. The guy is a useless DJ and about as skilled at writing music as a blind & deaf retarded mute. He has zero technical and musical ability. I have lost count of the horror stories I have heard about this guy, even from people who have known him for 15+ years, no-one is safe from his underhand crook tactics. Why have I named him? He ripped me off, simple as that. He has also ripped so many other people off who I wont name, its not my place to, but the guy is a pimple on the arse of musical humanity. Jeff, there is nothing "supreme" about you.
So anyone who reads this blog, have 3 free tracks. Tracks that are listed as collaborations between Jeff & myself. But unless you count sitting in my studio and eating as "collaborating" are anything but. Enjoy them, re-upload them and feel free to do with them as you please."
I'd be pissed to, but I wouldn't give up the scene completely. Poor guy.
He never said hed quit completely. I found this on his YT support page:
"UPDATE - 31.3.09 From Stormtrooper
I'd like to clarify a few things with regards to my blog yesterday. People seem to have misinterpreted what I said, or more precisely what I didnt say. Im not going to pretend that the main purpose for yesterdays blog was to highlight my break, I'm not that self absorbed. It was to highlight some of the negative aspects of this scene and how some of the people involved with it operate, namely Jeff Supreme. I dont regret telling people what happened. And Jeff, keep making the threats, your about as gangster as Lenny Henry.
Thanks for all the messages and support! I know my music is appreciated by the people who buy it and the DJ's who play it and I have never doubted this. What I am talking about is the lack of support not only for myself, but for countless other talented DJs, producers and engineers out there by the large scale organisations who see fit to put the same line-up on every event and the same remixed 10 year old track on every compilation. People dont realise that this is not just a hobby for a lot of us. This is my career / sole income and I have had enough of how things operate, I have tried playing ball. If you worked hard for 5+ years doing a job you were good at and didnt see a return on your time or financial investment, how would you feel?
With regards to my musical integrity, I think that the music I have been writing over the past 2 years is the best I have ever written. Its not as experimental as some of my earlier work but I have never really been about experimenting. 90% of what I write has the dance floor as its top priority. I dont write music to get higher sales or to get on compilations. I write what I like and the fact that other people enjoy it, be it other artists or DJs or people who buy my records is a bonus. If you saw the car I drive you would know that I have never done this for the money! I just love the music I write.
I never said I was "quitting teh scene!!!" I'm just taking a step back and seeing what other avenues I can explore. There are lots of new releases coming out in the near future on TNC and Robbie and the TNC crew feel that this is some of my best work to date so keep em peeled.
Alex.
Something to be said for this statement!!!!! If only everyone in Hardcore was in it for the love of what they do, and makin people happy!!!!"
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 21:08:35
Breeze is better tbh, He rather tells people to **** off and DONt be around them, instead of brushing of the rest of the scene as "same bloody mess" and then leave. Kudos for Breeze, no kudos for Stormtropper, who in the end made shit anyways.
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Lilark
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 21:30:28
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Originally posted by cruelcore1:
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Originally posted by Lilark:
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Originally posted by Dys7:
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Originally posted by Samination:
he left cause he didnt like the music anymore, stop making excuses for people!!!! Why would they stop making msuic just because there's douchebags around? Do your own ****ing race!
If it was as easy to leave a job like it would be in music, alot more people would do it.
Taken From: blogs.myspace.com
"I have decided to stop writing UK Hardcore for the foreseeable future. The whole scene is royally messed up and I am not prepared to be claimed as its latest bitter dj/producer victim. Mainly as I am not bitter, I have travelled the world and met some amazing people because of hardcore, who could be bitter about that? I am just not prepared to work hard for a scene that doesn't appreciate it.
There are some amazing people involved with UK Hardcore, people who work their asses off week in and week out for little or no reward. There are also way too many over the hill dinosaurs, riding on the coat tails of their previous success, bringing nothing new, just milking it for all they can whilst artists with far greater skill get left on the sidelines as they are not part of the "old boys club".
People don't normally name names when it comes to things like this, but I like a bit of juicy gossip so here is some of my own. The best example of "dinosaur" has to be DJ Supreme. This clown has wormed his way back into the scene, mixing various large compilations over the past few years and ripping off anyone and everyone he works with. The guy is a useless DJ and about as skilled at writing music as a blind & deaf retarded mute. He has zero technical and musical ability. I have lost count of the horror stories I have heard about this guy, even from people who have known him for 15+ years, no-one is safe from his underhand crook tactics. Why have I named him? He ripped me off, simple as that. He has also ripped so many other people off who I wont name, its not my place to, but the guy is a pimple on the arse of musical humanity. Jeff, there is nothing "supreme" about you.
So anyone who reads this blog, have 3 free tracks. Tracks that are listed as collaborations between Jeff & myself. But unless you count sitting in my studio and eating as "collaborating" are anything but. Enjoy them, re-upload them and feel free to do with them as you please."
I'd be pissed to, but I wouldn't give up the scene completely. Poor guy.
He never said hed quit completely. I found this on his YT support page:
"UPDATE - 31.3.09 From Stormtrooper
I'd like to clarify a few things with regards to my blog yesterday. People seem to have misinterpreted what I said, or more precisely what I didnt say. Im not going to pretend that the main purpose for yesterdays blog was to highlight my break, I'm not that self absorbed. It was to highlight some of the negative aspects of this scene and how some of the people involved with it operate, namely Jeff Supreme. I dont regret telling people what happened. And Jeff, keep making the threats, your about as gangster as Lenny Henry.
Thanks for all the messages and support! I know my music is appreciated by the people who buy it and the DJ's who play it and I have never doubted this. What I am talking about is the lack of support not only for myself, but for countless other talented DJs, producers and engineers out there by the large scale organisations who see fit to put the same line-up on every event and the same remixed 10 year old track on every compilation. People dont realise that this is not just a hobby for a lot of us. This is my career / sole income and I have had enough of how things operate, I have tried playing ball. If you worked hard for 5+ years doing a job you were good at and didnt see a return on your time or financial investment, how would you feel?
With regards to my musical integrity, I think that the music I have been writing over the past 2 years is the best I have ever written. Its not as experimental as some of my earlier work but I have never really been about experimenting. 90% of what I write has the dance floor as its top priority. I dont write music to get higher sales or to get on compilations. I write what I like and the fact that other people enjoy it, be it other artists or DJs or people who buy my records is a bonus. If you saw the car I drive you would know that I have never done this for the money! I just love the music I write.
I never said I was "quitting teh scene!!!" I'm just taking a step back and seeing what other avenues I can explore. There are lots of new releases coming out in the near future on TNC and Robbie and the TNC crew feel that this is some of my best work to date so keep em peeled.
Alex.
Something to be said for this statement!!!!! If only everyone in Hardcore was in it for the love of what they do, and makin people happy!!!!"
Yeah. Seems to be centered more around the money and fame rather then the music these days, It's good to see DJ's in it for the fun. I'm glad he hasn't completely given up production, though!
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 22:09:14
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Breeze is better tbh, He rather tells people to **** off and DONt be around them, instead of brushing of the rest of the scene as "same bloody mess" and then leave. Kudos for Breeze, no kudos for Stormtropper, who in the end made shit anyways.
Shit huh? Of course. He doesn't make old styles you love. His music is shit and copy of modern styles, just like every other modern Hardcore.
Its rlly ****ed up how certain people say every HC nowadays is a frigging copy while in the old times styles were also quite copied, eventhough maybe little less. Or what do you see, only frigging genres and style? Is that what music is all about 4 u?
Im rlly gettin pissed off when guize like u underestimate good inspirations just bcuz they were interpret in a way they dont prefer. Why dont u guys get ur own inspirations?
Stormtrooper is the man who makes what HE wants and what HE likes, with HIS OWN inspirations. HE is the ****ing artist!
And Breeze? Well, he doesn't give in to various shit. And what ****ing moneymaking? This is HARDCORE scene! This is NOT moneymaking. He could be 10 times richer than he currently is. If he didnt like what he made, he'd be into House or modern Dubstep.
But whatever, if u dont like certain music, you wont respect it, will u? 
P.S. He didn't leave the scene. Hes just takin a break, "spreading his horizons".
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 22:25:21
The top tier of Hardcore is definately about making money. Anyone in the scene that could make more money doing other music usually would.
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 22:37:32
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The top tier of Hardcore is definately about making money. Anyone in the scene that could make more money doing other music usually would.
Other genres are not HC. People are in HC bcuz they like it. And they're producing more stuff for cash. Whats wrong with that, and what the hell does it hav to do with HC? Or did I misunderstand ur post?
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 22:48:20
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Breeze is better tbh, He rather tells people to **** off and DONt be around them, instead of brushing of the rest of the scene as "same bloody mess" and then leave. Kudos for Breeze, no kudos for Stormtropper, who in the end made shit anyways.
People like you are EXATCLY the problem
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 23:24:27
There totally is nothing wrong with reproducing your own mind, thoughts, style and inspiration.
But in these cases, I think it is too cheap to blame people not respecting and buying your music, because to their opinions it sounds like crap and not worthable to spend a single penny.
I can't see anything wrong with that.
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Posted - 2011/12/21 : 23:30:33
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There totally is nothing wrong with reproducing your own mind, thoughts, style and inspiration.
But in these cases, I think it is too cheap to blame people not respecting and buying your music, because to their opinions it sounds like crap and not worthable to spend a single penny.
I can't see anything wrong with that.
Not as same as when you actually get a plenty of comments saying ur music is shit cuz ure "copying modern styles". And thats the problem, as far as I understood him. But hell be back anyway. DW
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